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Legalization of Prostitution
Legalization of Prostitution
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Do you think prostitution should be legal?

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post Nov 3 2002, 12:47 AM
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I don't think that prostitution should be legal. I, unfortunately, book more than my share of prostitutes at work; and not one of them are prostitutes because they love having sex with random gross men. . .in almost every case it is to support their drug habit, and/or they were sexually mistreated by a male family member as a child and made to think that that was all they were good for. It is a demeaning and pathetic way to make a living that only causes more problems. It is sad that there is such a demand for their services, maybe if their "johns" saw women as people and not objects they would get laid without having to pay for it.

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I think that prostitution should be legal or at least decriminalized. It is the oldest profession and regardless of the laws that are passed, it will not go away. Women, men, and transgenders engage in prostitution for many different reasons, but regardless of what those reasons are, it is still a personal choice that people are making. If it were legal, it could be more easily regulated, specifically with medical testing for STDs, for the protection of both the prostitutes and their clientelle.

Of course, legalizing it would not aleviate all of the problems associated with it, because there will always be people who choose not to be a part of the system, and some prostitutes would not like the idea of paying taxes on their wages. Still, I think that legalizing it would encourage some prostitutes to take advantage of the protections that it would provide to them.
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The only reasons I have ever heard for it to not be legal are all moot points. For those people that say it's unsafe, there are ways to regulate it just like requirements in every kitchen in every restaurant. ofcourse there will be people and businesses that disobey these rules but what industry doesn't have people breaking rules on any given day. By making it a "legitimate" job they wouldn't be using the money for drugs any more than a college kid working at Gap an actor. Thats like saying that if marijuana was legalized the people that profit from it would only use the money to buy hot pockets and jolt.
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Prostitution has been around for as long as I can remember. Should it be legal? My thought would be to say no. It is degrading to women. I think the only men who use a prostitute is a loser. Cyan suggests regulated it. How? Guns are supposed to be controlled. There is no gun control. Drugs are illegal. Guess what there are drugs being sold also out of control. Do you think prostitutes will be willing to pay taxes? Admit that is their profession? I think not.
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Prostitution is degrading to some women, but there are some women who honestly want to be involved in the sex industry. Additionally, whether or not men who use prostitutes for sex are losers is irrelevant. There is a market for sex, and both parties in the sexual exchange are consensual.

By legalizing prostitution, women would have legal recourse if their johns or pimps abused them. They could work in controlled bordello environments that provide testing for STDs, and they would have more ability to screen their clientelle. Bordellos would have to compete in a free market, forcing them to up their standards.

There's also the cost to consider. How much money do tax payers spend trying to keep prostitutes off of the streets, and how much does it cost to keep them in the jails? Also, is it really effective?

As far as admitting their profession is concerned, a woman wouldn't have to straight up say that she is a prostitute. Exotic dancers and porn stars call themselves entertainers. The same would apply to prostitutes. The only people that need to know the exact form of entertainment are the employers, the johns, and whatever agencies would be involved in licensing the ladies or bordellos.
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I tend to agree with Cyan. Legislating prostitution is another example of way too obtrusive government interference what one does with one's own body.

Are there any sound arguments for criminalizing prostitution? Not that I've heard. It would be safer for everyone involved, there would be at least some additional tax revenue, and a whole criminal class would be eliminated, possibly along with associated crimes. The thriving sex industry is often the only job opportunity for people with limited options who would otherwise be poverty-stricken - and a legal status could further reduce unemployment.

Momof3 opposes the legalization of prostitution on the grounds that it is degrading to women. Is illegal prostitution less degrading than legal prostitution? And in what way are male prostitutes degrading to women?
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Have any of you guys out there, that think Prostitution should be legal, actually have dealt with a prostitute. I, unfortunately, see at least one a day at my job. It is nothing but pathetic; these people don't enjoy their job. They are all strung out on drugs, and are selling themselves for cash to support their habit. It just is not right to buy and sell flesh. These women are not out their on the corner because they "honestly want to be involved in the sex industry" as cyan puts it. And to call it a "sex industry" like it is some kind of legitimate business; what is that? This "industry" only demeans women, setting the feminist movement back with every BJ that is bought. Do you actually think these "johns" think that the women they buy/beat are anything more than an object?

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Obviously making prostitution illegal is not stopping people from being prostitutes. However, I wonder if making it legal would encourage even more prostitution.

I stand on the fence right now, but my choice would be based upon whether making it legal or illegal would cause less prostitution. So, if it can be shown that making it legal would decrease prostitution, then I'd be for it.
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post Nov 12 2002, 10:22 PM
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Well there you have it, the votes are in:

5 to 1, prostitution should be legal.

I can now say that "the majority of Americans are pro-prostitution".

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Of course prostitution should be legal. It doesn't matter if the prostitutes are "pathetic", or that it is "degrading". There are plenty of professions that are both of those things (working in a fast food resturaunt), but they are still legal . Job enjoyment is irrelevant, also.

The fact is that it would make it a safer working environment for the people in that industry. Regardless of your personal opinion on prostitution, which is better: a prostitute that is regularly tested, wears condoms, has laws protecting her/him in the face of abuse, or prostituion now (no testing, no laws for protection and no condoms.)?

Also being a prostitute or being involved in the sex industry (and there a legitimate sex industry, its called porn. its legal, safe and thriving) does not set back the feminist movement, that is ridiculous. Not allowing women to sell their time the way they want to is setting back the feminist movement (partially because there are more child MALE prostitutes than there are female prostitutes) Im not trying to romanticize the life of a prostitute at all, and I realize that most in that people in that profession are disfunctional and would not want to be there. Its a sad life to live, but sadder still by the fact that they are not alloted any protection for their work. I guess its better for a woman to sell herself and let all the money go to her pimp, than to let that woman sell herself, keep her money and pay some taxes.

I truly believe most women would pay taxes, if prostutition was legalized. I think they would be grateful to be treated like regular humans in a working industry than not.
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QUOTE(Kisov @ Nov 12 2002, 05:29 PM)
Have any of you guys out there, that think Prostitution should be legal, actually have dealt with a prostitute?

Sorry - I'd missed this question. But, yes, I have. One of my foster sons was a male prostitute when we met him (this was in Dublin). His girlfriend was also a prostitute. Both were heroin addicts and, yes, were relying on prostitution to support their habits (which, at least, was better than, say, armed robbery or housebreaking). I also met a number of their "colleagues", many of whom were not addicts. Previously, in New York, I knew a dozen or so people who worked in the porn industry, which was supplemented by prostitution. I don't know of any of these people who were drug addicts.

Granted, people who support addiction through prostitution are more to be pitied than censured. However, the fact that a percentage of prostitutes may also be IV drug users is all the more reason to get this industry legalized and regulated. The threat of AIDS alone should be enough to warrant practitioners of the oldest profession being subject to regular medical check-ups - as they are in Germany, the Netherlands and other places where prostitution is legal or decriminalized.

As many addicts would be faced with either seeking treatment/rehab or seeking other means of income should prostitution be legal, I imagine we'd see a decrease in either the number of prostitutes, the number of addicts, or both.

Those engaged in the sex industry would at least be paying taxes and would be less subject to abuse by pimps and johns alike. Prostitution, if legalized, would be safer for everyone involved.
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QUOTE(Wertz @ Nov 22 2002, 03:20 PM)
As many addicts would be faced with either seeking treatment/rehab or seeking other means of income should prostitution be legal, I imagine we'd see a decrease in either the number of prostitutes, the number of addicts, or both.

Wertz, do you know of any studies showing that legalization of prostitution would cause a decrease in prostitution? If there is sufficient evidence for this, I'd be for it's legalization.
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QUOTE(Kisov @ Nov 12 2002, 02:29 PM)
Have any of you guys out there, that think Prostitution should be legal, actually have dealt with a prostitute.  I, unfortunately, see at least one a day at my job.  It is nothing but pathetic; these people don't enjoy their job.  They are all strung out on drugs, and are selling themselves for cash to support their habit.  It just is not right to buy and sell flesh.  These women are not out their on the corner because they "honestly want to be involved in the sex industry" as cyan puts it.  And to call it a "sex industry" like it is some kind of legitimate business; what is that?  This "industry" only demeans women, setting the feminist movement back with every BJ that is bought.  Do you actually think these "johns" think that the women they buy/beat are anything more than an object?

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Kisov - I have known prostitutes, and it is true that the majority of them that I've know have been supporting a drug habit...not all. Right or wrong, I would rather see these people supporting their drug habit in this manner than by robbing individuals or companies. If their body is their greatest asset, let them use it. They are going to do it regardless of whether prostitution is legal or not. Wouldn't it be better to regulate the industry, test for diseases, screen the clientelle, and get rid of the pimps which pocket the majority of the cash while the women do all the work? Of course, there will still be some illegal activity, but I think by legalizing prostitution, some of the negative aspects that are attached it would be reduced.
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cyan you say if prostitution was legal a woman would have more recourses against their pimps. and that some woman like the sexual industry. ( dancers, strippers) I think not only should prostitution be illgal but so should pimps. and I really don't think these women like their "profession". From what Kisov says many are on drugs. Do you think they think with a clear mind? Buy supporting their habits with sex I can bet my life many had Aids. Do you think they practice "safe sex"? I think not. They are on drugs and they cannot think with a clear head. Then what happens when they get to be the age of 45-50 maybe younger? Now no one wants an "old" woman. And that is if they make it that long. ( they might me dead of Aids or their drug habit by now). They now go on Welfare? Collect Social Security? And then there is the pimp. He is still having his prostitutes. He doesn't give a rats *** NOTICE: THIS WORD IS AGAINST THE RULES. FAILURE TO REMOVE IT WILL RESULT IN A STRIKE. *** if they die or no one wants them anymore and his is a very rich man for selling women. That to you is not degrading??? dry.gif dry.gif dry.gif dry.gif
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There are many women and men who find prostitution to be a degrading profession. I don't deny that, but it is still a choice that they are making. It's illegal, and it is still happening. If it wasn't, it would be a non-issue. Also, I'm sure that you're correct that many of these men and women have AIDS and other sexually transmitted diseases, which is exactly the reason why it should be regulated. Let's get these men and women into the system, paying taxes and do what we can to reduce the risk of disease and unwanted pregnancy.

As far as the drugs are concerned, a junkie will do what he/she has to do to get the cash to support his/her habits. I am more willing to accept someone giving blow jobs in an alley than robbing some convenience store clerk at gun point. At least prostitution is a consensual act between two adults.

I would also like to add that I know exotic dancers who love their jobs. They enjoy the attention that they receive, and they make a lot of money in the process. Most of these women are quite aware of the fact that their time in the industry is limited, and the girls that I know are paying their way through school, and putting away money for the future. Exotic dancing is a bit different than prostitution, of course.

Please understand that I'm not suggesting that women and men become prostitutes. There are much better career choices, in my opinion, but the fact is that there are people who are making that choice for whatever reason. It has been that way since the dawn of civilization, and I don't see it stopping anytime in the near future.
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I was rereading everyone's thoughts on this subject. Since I noticed one argument in favor of legalization was left out, I tought I should add my two cents.

First, I will say I support the legalization of prostitution. This is primarily based on my free-market philosophy and has already been articulated by the many pro-capitalism arguments already presented by others in this thread. It is one's body, if they want to make money from it so be it.

The argument that is missing in this respect is the fact that there are people currently making money from a prostitute. It's not just the pimps. Let us not forget the defense attorneys, vice officers, and court-ordered counselors who make money off of a prostitute's work. I will concede that the amount they get from that sort of work is minimal, but they are making it nonetheless. The hypocrisy is apparant.

There are people interested in keeping prostitution illegal because it keeps the money in their own pockets instead of the person who earned it - the prostitute.
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I still have the question what happens when they get to an age when they are no longer wanted? and you can bet it will not be at 65. Retirement age. It will be and I am giving a long shot here about 40. I think sooner. What then? Welfare? Full social security? You can regulate all you want. It will not work! huh.gif huh.gif huh.gif
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QUOTE(otseng @ Nov 22 2002, 04:47 PM)
Wertz, do you know of any studies showing that legalization of prostitution would cause a decrease in prostitution?  If there is sufficient evidence for this, I'd be for it's legalization.

Not offhand, sorry, no. I can look into it, if you like. But I do know that in Amsterdam and Berlin prostitution is confined to licensed houses and call sevices. One almost never sees streetwalkers. The houses themselves (outside of the touristy "red light districts") are quite discreet. There's certianly less evident prostitution, though I suspect its incidence is a matter of supply and demand. The prostitutes in those cities are all licensed and their business regulated. Most of the houses have a "manager" whose business is also regulated - there's very little exploitation of the workers themselves - by pimps or johns. There's also very little drug use among the prostitutes (no more than among, say, data processors, nurses, or any other working professionals) and they all practice safe sex - by law. (Though even crack whores on the streets of Dublin know enough to keep well-stocked with condoms - these people are addicts, not idiots.)
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QUOTE(Momof3 @ Nov 26 2002, 02:27 AM)
I still have the question what happens when they get to an age when they are no longer wanted? and you can bet it will not be at 65. Retirement age. It will be and I am giving a long shot here about 40. I think sooner. What then? Welfare? Full social security?

The exact same question could be asked of professional models or dancers or athletes. You would hardly suggest criminalizing gymnastics - or the Rockettes - on the basis of the limited lifespan of the career.

Many prostitutes (and I have known of women working into their fifties - the lifespan appears to be shorter for male prostitutes) in countries like the Netherlands use it as supplementary income - while working their way through school or other training. Many then move on to other careers. Many marry. And some, yes, burn themselves out and end up on Social Welfare. Same as other professions with little longevity. I had a "summer romance" with a prostitute in Berlin for a while (not as paying client, mind you) who was also a musician. When he eventually found a steady gig playing with a quartet in an upscale hotel (shortly after we met), he gave it up. A few of his friends worked for several months each year, saved their earnings, then took several months off - supplementing their savings by working as waiters or bartenders as necessary. Some were investing a fair amount of money each month. One had saved enough to open a café/bookstore. Most of them were financially better off than I was - and I was working full-time as a production designer for TV (a profession in which I only lasted for eight years).

QUOTE(Momof3 @ Nov 26 2002, 02:27 AM)
You can regulate all you want. It will not work!

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