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> The status of freedom in the United States, freedom versus authoritarianism
Gray Seal
post Apr 9 2019, 02:25 PM
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Is this a choice between rights and democratic capitulation?

What is the value of freedom in the United States to most voters?

I am not sure most people even know what freedom means. I do not think we teach it in our schools. Freedom is just a word we sing in some of our patriotic songs.

We seem to have voters who see government as a means of gaining advantage. Protecting freedom does not appear to be high on anyone's list of importance.

People are squabbling over who gets to be in charge; whose values get to be forced upon others.

Government continues to get bigger. Regulation continues to amass. Values are christened in our legislatures.

What does freedom mean to you?

Why are people most decidedly choosing authoritarian government over government protecting freedom?

Is this a good idea? Why or why not?
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post Apr 11 2019, 02:10 PM
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What does freedom mean to you?

The ability to do mostly what I want so long as it doesn't infringe on other's rights to do the same.

Why are people most decidedly choosing authoritarian government over government protecting freedom?

Everybody wants their definition of freedom enforced on others.

Is this a good idea? Why or why not?

Nope. It's usually not even tyranny of the majority, which would still be a bad idea, but often tyranny of the minority. Every group, regardless of size, wants their little issue addressed and enforced by government...and government abides because they need to do that to get their votes.

it's all part of The Inevitable Fall of Democracy.
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post Apr 20 2019, 12:09 PM
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What does freedom mean to you?

Being of the generation that had the Vietnam draft to deal with, the idea that freedom's just another word for nothing left to lose makes a lot of sense. It also falls in line with the idea that to get on the good side of God, you need to get rid of your wealth.

But then there's the freedom to choose: your occupations, your physical location; what you live in, where you go to get stuff and to repair stuff, what you wear -- and all that takes money to accomplish. In this sense, the wealthier you get, the more freedom you have.

For example. I'm very concentrated on music now that I'm retired. But in order to pursue this occupation, it takes money. I have N amount of money/credit, so I can move ahead but not as fast as sometimes I want. Other times, it's better to review what I've already got, which requires time.

So add to wealth the dimension of time. You might be the richest person in the world, but you also might not have any time to freely pursue your desired occupations.

Another way to look at freedom is not being concerned about anything. The ultimate type of this freedom is death.

Why are people most decidedly choosing authoritarian government over government protecting freedom?

Fear.

Is this a good idea? Why or why not?

It depends on what's feared. Fear of terrorism probably doesn't lead to any good outcome, but fear of tainted food supplies does. You know, if you're free enough to do anything about that fear.

BTW, a government with authority is necessary. It isn't the same as an authoritarian government, which goes way overboard usually due to an overload of crisis. It's like volume in music: Some volume is always needed, but too much volume is downright painful.

It will also cause deafness, kinda like too much authority causes death.
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