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> In case you forgot, AGW is still happening
Dingo
post Sep 4 2016, 03:19 PM
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I know it doesn't show up much in the political debate like say consequential matters such as wither Hillary's emails but just in case you didn't get the memo 2016 is on its way to being the warmest year on record.

http://www.livescience.com/55469-2016-coul...-on-record.html

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This year may be only half over, but 2016 is already on track to be the hottest year ever on record, with each of the first six months, from January to June, setting new temperature records, NASA officials announced this week.
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This year may be only half over, but 2016 is already on track to be the hottest year ever on record, with each of the first six months, from January to June, setting new temperature records, NASA officials announced this week.
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A strong El Niño this past year did contribute to these temperatures, but Schmidt said the continued warming trend is mostly due to the effects of greenhouse gases.
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These record-breaking temperatures have taken a toll on the Arctic, which has seen thinning and melting ice for more than a decade. Five of the first six months of 2016 set records for lowest respective levels of monthly Arctic sea-ice extent (the area of ocean covered by the ice). By late September, Arctic sea ice could reach its lowest extent since satellite record-keeping began, NASA said.


Questions for discussion:
1. Do you have any doubts as to whether the science behind human caused global warming holds up? If so, explain.

2. Do you think that global warming on its present track is or will be seriously consequential - negative? positive? Explain.

3. Do you think Donald Trump's denialist position, his wish to go all out on fossil fuel makes him among other matters a seriously flawed candidate? Explain.
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post Oct 14 2016, 01:34 AM
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It's been 7 days now, and the response from the (to put it mildly) ever-so-eager-to-share-its-"The End Is Nigh"-type opinions AGW contingent on ad.gif so far can only be described as ...

... quelle "surprise"! ...

Crickets


Heh.



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post Oct 14 2016, 04:38 AM
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I've dealt with AGW denialists before and their ability to function in the world of facts, reason and evidence is essentially nonexistent. However their need for attention appears to be boundless.

There, I hope I made your day. flowers.gif
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post Oct 17 2016, 09:27 AM
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Now here is something I wish libertarians would take seriously. How about aligning fiscal responsibility with environmental responsibility with personal responsibility with shutting down government overreach. Check this out for example.

http://www.theamericanconservative.com/art...izing-disaster/

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About one-third of Americans—more than 100 million people—now live in low-lying coastal regions. Analysis by the Risky Business Project forecasts that between $48.2 billion and $68.7 billion worth of existing coastal property in the Southeast alone will be below sea level by 2050. Parts of Louisiana are expected to be at least 4.3 feet below sea level by the end of the century.

It may seem odd for people to be moving into these vulnerable areas. But one major explanation for this trend is simple: government is paying for it.

The National Flood Insurance Program, for example, offers policies to people in flood-prone areas. The NFIP was created in 1968 to address a gap in the private market—insurers weren’t confident that they could accurately assess the risks of flooding and were concerned about handling many claims at once when disaster struck. But even today, with much better modeling tools and sophisticated global markets that can spread risks far and wide, the NFIP still holds 5 million policies. This is because the NFIP charges rates so far below the levels that actuaries would recommend—in some areas, only 45 percent of the full level of risk—that private companies cannot compete.
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People should be free to live where they want, provided they are willing to bear the risks of doing so. But masking the extent of risk through artificially low insurance rates is almost literally a recipe for disaster.

It’s also unsustainable. When insurance programs charge rates below what’s needed to meet expected damages, they naturally find themselves unable to pay out claims. The NFIP, which is supposed to be self-funding, is more than $20 billion in debt to federal taxpayers.
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If financial considerations alone are not enough reason to reform government disaster insurance, the climate-change factor should add extra urgency. Government policies that encourage people to live in vulnerable areas aren’t just economically perverse, they are downright immoral.
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post Oct 20 2016, 11:17 PM
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"In case you forgot, AGW is still happening"....

Pretty sure it's mainly just all the hot air during the political season now, though. smile.gif
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post Oct 23 2016, 11:21 PM
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Well, here we are, with 10 more (running total: 17) days having elapsed since my having obliged "Julian" in his request for links that would back up my "GW = Science. AGW, however = Religion" post.

And the response (one that actually addresses said FACTS, that is) is ... still ...

CRICKETS


Oh, well. Worry not, AGW-ers. Please do try to take at least some comfort in the fact that you are not utterly alone in your inability to respond to said FACTS.

Why, I ran into "yours" just this past summer, on Michigan Avenue in Chicago (they sure tend to pick hot AND humid days to come out with their "Sign here if you care about Global WarmingClimate Change" clipboards, natch), and confronted them with "Hi. Very nice to meet you, too. Hey, didja know that this last 400 years' or so period of global warming that our planet has experienced is so 'unprecedented' that it is roughly indistinguishable, in terms of average amount of global temperature rise and speed thereof, from the 8 periods of global warming that preceded it within just the last 10,000 years or so?". Reaction: blank stares (a.k.a. ... CRICKETS).

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