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> Voting for President, Libertarian Style
VDemosthenes
post Jan 16 2008, 02:30 PM
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I'll spare everyone's intelligence and not post the [sometimes extensive] resumes of those souls vying for the position as leader of the free world and simply stick to the question:

Libertarians,

1.) Who do you support for president in the upcoming national election and why?

And while we're at it:

2.) Which candidate has the strongest Libertarian sympathies or ideals? Does this influence your vote in any way?

3.) What factors besides party affiliation are determining how you vote in primaries and will determine how you vote in the general election?
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Dontreadonme
post Jan 17 2008, 01:58 AM
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1.) Who do you support for president in the upcoming national election and why?

I'm not bowled over by any of the LP candidates. I'd like to see Paul run as a Libertarian candidate, but I'm not optimistic about that happening. Most of the LP candidate's positions on immigration and non-intervention are too extreme for my tastes.
Unfortunately for an LP'er to make the national scene, they're going to have to make appeals towards the American-Idol-Centric population. The Libertarian ideals are just and worthy, but the sheep have to be weaned off of mainstream consumer politics. We're not going to have a viable national candidate until more local Libertarians are elected, and people start seeing the difference. We're not going to have a viable national candidate until the LP focuses more on Eminent Domain and the Bill of Rights, rather than open borders and ending drug laws. And we're likely to not have a viable national candidate until the LP convention gets airtime on another channel besides C-SPAN2. Of course, the conventions I have watched would probably turn off most prude, ignorant or confused Americans anyway.......
I'm not suggesting that the LP sells out and acts like Republicans and Democrats, but they need to soften the platform and soften the image.

3.) What factors besides party affiliation are determining how you vote in primaries and will determine how you vote in the general election?

The candidate that supports [within reason] the Bill of Rights, freedom and individual sovereignty is going to get my vote. I want a strong national defense but not an inter-national defense, and I want to end the tryannical reign that many city councils and other local governments wield over citizens daily lives in the form of permits, fees, codes, and restrictions. No one candidate will ever represent me on all of my issues, and that candidate is usually never from the two-party junta, but I will cast my ballot for whoever makes the effort in the above areas. I tend to remain undecided until the end of October, and that trend will likely continue this year.

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post May 11 2009, 01:13 AM
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QUOTE(VDemosthenes @ Jan 16 2008, 11:30 AM) *
I'll spare everyone's intelligence and not post the [sometimes extensive] resumes of those souls vying for the position as leader of the free world and simply stick to the question:

Libertarians,

1.) Who do you support for president in the upcoming national election and why?

And while we're at it:

2.) Which candidate has the strongest Libertarian sympathies or ideals? Does this influence your vote in any way?

3.) What factors besides party affiliation are determining how you vote in primaries and will determine how you vote in the general election?



Well, I am a bit late for this topic, as the 2008 election has come and gone... but I'll try to answer as I would have back Sept. 2008.

1.) I support McCain, but only because Obama's rock star status, and unchecked political power, with a Democratic Congress, and in all likely hood the opportunity to appoint a number of federal judges including 4 supreme court justices, scares the hell out of me, and there's no chance that the Libertarian Presidential candidate will win. Not that McCain is likely to win either, but it’s a slightly better chance than a spoiler Libertarian candidate at this point.

2.) I think McCain is hands down more Libertarian than Obama. Obama gives a nice speech, but when it comes to his administration’s actions, he's going to act allot more like Fidel Castro or Hugo Chavez, than JFK or any Libertarian. Obama will be all about consolidating power over Americans by creating economic dependency with grandiose tax and spend programs where ever possible.

3.) After watching the overwhelming voter fraud is my state of New Mexico, during the last 4 presidential election cycles, I have lost all faith in our ballot system to even allow a Republican to win in this state. I can name 14 other states with similar levels of Democratic Party electoral fraud.

Consequently, I am now Registered as a Democrat. I have no choice about a Democrat always winning in my home state, so I might as well have some choice in what kind of Democrat we get.

I use three strategies when voting in the Primary, for one of several Democratic Candidates.

1.) The lesser of two evils. If it is a tossup between to corrupt Democrats, which is usually the case, a little homework will usually identify which is more linked into the machine politics, and will therefore do more damage to the state and country. I vote for his opposition. This usually comes down to voting for the Candidate which has been a Democratic Party Office holder for fewer years. They only get worse the time, power, money and Political Correctness.

2.) The Fool more likely to embarrass. If there’s a candidate who’s quite obviously corrupt, arrogant, and over-the-top. Some very likely to do one or more of the obvious things to embarrass and weaken the Liberal agenda, I vote for that candidate, and the best means available of limiting the ever growing corrupt and power hungry Liberal machine.

3.) The rare diamond in the rough. Every once in a while, a Democrat candidate who’s truly a centrist and puts the state/nations good ahead of their personal and party agenda, comes to the ticket. I always support these candidates, even to the point of campaign donations. The Joe Lieberman’s are rare indeed in the new radical, Liberal, leftist Democratic Party. Politicians who are more like JFK than Hugo Chavez. But they deserve all the support we can give them, when the stand against the corruption and extreme environmental and socialist agenda that has seized the party in recent years.

Now that the 2008 election has come and gone, I think the Republican Party is finished. With Dubya’s final, fatal folly in starting the whole government bank/corporation bailout fiasco, the Republicans has lost any claim to being the opposition to the radicals in the Democratic Party.

As a result, I think the stars if the Libertarian Party are now coming into alignment. After a few years of the economic chaos of the Liberal agenda, American’s will be hungry for an alternative, and the clearly isn’t the worn out Republican Party.

It all comes down to minimizing, or at least limiting the growth of the Democratic Party “ACORN” and Affiliate Voter Fraud machine. The Libertarian Party will likely sweep the 2112 elections in a land slide, if the fraud can be kept to less than 20% of the total vote. It is un-likely, but you have find hope somewhere....

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post May 11 2009, 01:30 AM
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CLOSED. This is a really old debate. Plus this particular forum is for forum-declared Libertarians.
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