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> Dick Cheney vs Sandy Berger, Which one's more newsworthy?
Which is more newsworthy - Dick Cheney's careless shot, or Sandy Berger's unauthorized destruction of sensitive documents?
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post Feb 15 2006, 05:03 AM
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As I was watching the news and looking at the paper today and seeing how the media are treating Cheney's accidental shooting of a fellow hunter as though it were a Major World Event, my mind lapsed back to the little incident where Sandy Berger had visited the National Archives with his top-secret security clearance, and subsequently piflered and destroyed some very important documents relating to the War on Terror, and then got nothing more than a slap on the wrist, and never gave any kind of explanation for doing it. And I thought how funny it was that an event of such magnitude was just kinda swept under the rug by the media.

So the question I have for debate is simple:

Which incident is more deserving of the media's attention, Cheney's accidental shooting of a hunting buddy, or Sandy Berger's unexplained and virtually unpunished destruction of these classified documents?
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lordhelmet
post Feb 16 2006, 04:24 PM
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QUOTE(Paladin Elspeth @ Feb 16 2006, 11:15 AM)

Lordhelmet: Your link is interesting, especially since it says the CIA "outed" Plame to the Cubans. Now why would they do that?

And if it wasn't a crime to out Valerie Plame, then why didn't somebody in the Adminstration just come forward and say that s/he did it? As you pointed out, it cost the American people a lot of money to conduct Fitzgerald's investigation.

As far as Joe Wilson lying to the 9/11 Commission--I possess a copy of the report. I will have to look up Wilson's testimony to determine just exactly he is said to have lied about.
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But back to the subject of the newsworthiness of Sandy Berger's behavior and Dick Cheney's:

Sandy Berger was not prosecuted for what he did. He came clean about it.

Dick Cheney and his Secret Service contingent did not tell the deputy sheriff what happened when initially questioned--which makes it look as though Cheney had something to hide.

Further, Cheney is a secretive person. I am sure that this intrigues the news media who feel that there must be something interesting and important that he's not telling.

If there is nothing for which Cheney is actually culpable, then it is the clumsy way he handled the situation that raised the red flags in the media and gave us nearly non-stop coverage of what you characterize as a non-issue. White House Press Secretary Scott McClellan certainly said as much, and he is most certainly NOT a Democrat.

But then...Do any of us really "know Dick"? tongue.gif
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Berger was not prosecuted? He plead GUILTY!

Berger pleads guilty, Washington Post

Cheney did nothing wrong according to the police.

He's a secretive person? Good. We're at war. We don't need a blabbermouth VP at this time in our history. Furthermore, the role of the VP is to stay in the background that's why the press hammering for not having "more press conferences" is insane.

We have a President. Cheney is his backup and works behind the scenes primarily.

That's the way it should be.
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post Feb 16 2006, 09:57 PM
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Okay, my bad. blush.gif I must've had him mixed up with somebody else. I looked up the sentencing of Berger after you provided the link. Seems he was ordered to pay $50 grand as punishment, plus community service and additional costs. September 8, 2005 link

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Berger must perform 100 hours of community service and pay the fine as well as $6,905 for the administrative costs of his two-year probation, a district court judge ruled.


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On April 1, 2005, in connection with the documents investigation, Berger pled guilty to a misdemeanor charge of unauthorized removal and retention of classified material.

So he was found guilty of a misdemeanor.

But really, the fact that I didn't know what happened to the guy, and I'm usually an avid watcher of CNN, tells me that the press didn't regard it as such a big story; hence my assertion that the Veep story is bigger, at least now.

You're right--Cheney should probably stay in the background and not give so many press conferences--especially since the last few times he contradicted what his boss said, especially about the Iraqi insurgency being in its "last throes."

I stand by my opinion that Cheney's story is bigger. After all, somebody did get seriously hurt, there was an initial lack of cooperation with jursidictional law enforcement officials, and he is the Vice President.

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post Feb 17 2006, 03:46 AM
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Due to the difficulty of maintaining focus on a subject such as this, we are moving this topic to Casual Conversation.
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