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> Where does the United States sit on the political spectrum?
Where does the United States sit on the political spectrum?
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Gray Seal
post Oct 6 2016, 07:08 PM
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First, I wish to see what we all think of our current government policies. I am putting forth opposite political positions. Some may argue these are not opposites but for the purposes of scale consider the terms' definitions in context.

On a ten point scale, where one represents completely in one direction while ten is completely in the opposite direction, rate the contrasting terms as to how they apply to current United States policy. Somewhere in between one and ten means a mixture of the two concepts.

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As you have rated each condition, are you happy with the current condition of the United States? In the future would you like to see the rating lower, the same, or higher?

How would any of the four leading Presidential candidates affect these three conditions if elected?

Are you motivated to vote against incumbents to offices in the legislature to change any of these three conditions?

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Other conditions not on poll but could be:

Totalitarian 1 ------- 10 Anarcho Capitalism
Collectivism 1 ------- 10 Volunterism

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Dingo
post Oct 6 2016, 09:54 PM
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The poll is a bit too abstract for my taste but still worthwhile to encourage a conversation so I voted. One discussion that might be interesting is the degree to which technology dictates politics. For instance can you have airplanes without government aircraft controllers, passenger inspectors and aircraft building standards? Also to a large degree government policies are determined by interest groups. In that regard "follow the money" is a lot bigger motivator than pure meditations on "how much liberty is achieved." Beyond that the chief political motivators appears to be "I follow this leader ......" and/or "My favorite conspiracy is ....".
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post Oct 8 2016, 02:18 PM
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As you have rated each condition, are you happy with the current condition of the United States? In the future would you like to see the rating lower, the same, or higher?

I'd like to see far less profit motivation in health care. Patients should not be discharged too early because the money has run out, and pharmaceuticals should not be used to fleece the sick and suffering.

How would any of the four leading Presidential candidates affect these three conditions if elected?

Trump is a tyrant, Clinton an activist for direct citizen involvement, Johnson your typical Libertarian, and the Green candidate irrelevant.

Are you motivated to vote against incumbents to offices in the legislature to change any of these three conditions?

I see zero correlation between incumbency and positive change. Witness the TEA part types like Cruz.

Overall, until we figure out a better way to run a world superpower, the blending of socialism and capitalism, government and business, central and local power is what works the best. This has been demonstrated many times for accomplishing big things like the Internet and the Interstate highway system, along with the electrification of rural areas.

However, people who want to affect change of any sort need to get involved enough to at least vote, at most run for office. Otherwise, it's just so much P-ing into the wind.

I find it very interesting that a lot of people think that the Information Age means nothing more than a cheaper way to disseminate propaganda. It's one of the most foolish endeavors humans have tried, being that debunking of lies and stretched truth also happens at near real-time velocities.

So there's Clinton email and Trump sexism, Johnson clueless-ness and Green irrelevance, right at anyone's fingertips. Also now on Youtube and Hulu.

The cool thing is that when we do figure out a better way to do anything, that information hits the Internet a lot faster than any other medium has provided before. If Steven Hawkins thinks we shouldn't go looking for space aliens too eagerly, everyone knows it right away. At least potentially everyone. The significance of this isn't clear yet due to human thinking inertia. It's only been about 23 years, just over a 20-year generation metric, since the WWW opened up the Internet. And there are distractions galore, yet even with that, it's extremely difficult to sell magic beans these days.

But it is a lot easier to propose something like a universal basic income. That in turn brings up the concept of labor obsolescence and how that makes sense with robotics and automation. At the same time, the same tech is enabling more effective professionals.

The last time something of this significance happened in the world, it was the printing press and the subsequent widespread literacy leading to the Age of Enlightenment (science), which then led to computers and the Information Age.

Might this someday mean the obsolescence of political power? Of nations? Of various x-isms spawned centuries ago?
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