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post Sep 15 2010, 12:03 PM
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Christine O'Donnell wins Delaware Republican Senate nomination

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O'Donnell was the leader of the Christian lobby group Saviour's Alliance for Lifting the Truth. In a television interview a decade ago, she said: "The Bible says that lust in your heart is committing adultery. So you can't masturbate without lust."

She will now stand for the US Senate in November for the seat vacated by Joe Biden when he became vice-president two years ago.

Such is the anger among conservatives who think Obama is a socialist and the Republicans not rightwing enough that they were prepared to vote in O'Donnell, even though polls suggest she has little chance of beating the Democrats for the seat in November. The same polls suggested that Castle could win the traditionally Democratic state.


In the UK, for most of the last decade, the Conservative party (closest equivalent to the GOP) shifted rightwards, under pressure from their own right wing, after losing to the left-of-centre landslide in 1997 that put Tony Blair in power. This caused 13 years of electoral failure (small gains here and there, but generally poor performance on the national stage) until David Cameron took over a few years back, under whom they moved back towards the political centre and with whom they have now regained office (though only through coalition with the centrist Liberal Democrat party, moving the whole coalition somewhat further to the centre, at least in theory.)

Labour underwent a similar crisis of identity during the Thatcher years, when party loyalists moved the party further to the left, resulting in repeated failure to gain ground, which was only turned around when more moderate leadership made efforts to expel extremists (under Neil Kinnock) and move the party back toward the centre.

I wonder if something similar is not now happening to the Republicans. It seems to me that the battle for the soul of the party - between hard right grassroots activists, and more moderate leaders, which the hardliners seem to be winning at the moment - is not particularly attractive to a majority of voters. What point is there in winning an argument on the direction of the party if that direction is somewhere that voters don't want to go?

Is this win counter-prouctive for Delaware Republicans, Tea Party or not? Why, or why not? Edited to add: Or, is it a realignmnet of an out of touch elite with mainstream Republicanism?

Does a Tea Party Republican nominee, for House or Senate, stand a chance to win a seat in Congress? Who and where? Edited to add: If not, why not, and is that a problem for Republicanism or for the country?

Is the push to the right among Republicans, exemplified by the Tea Party, taking the rest of the country with it, or alienating middle of the road voters and leaving the political centre open for Democrat gains?


Edited to balance the debate questions a little better

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Christine O'Donnell is no John Anderson. She's not even Pam Anderson.

Anyone who thinks the Tea Party is about deposing "the ruling class system" has been smoking something much stronger than over the counter cigarettes. smoke.gif As underwritten by Republican front groups like Freedom Works and AstroTurf "grassroots" groups such as the Koch Brothers controlled Americans for Prosperity, these Tea Partiers aren't challenging jack about "the ruling class system." The ruling class made sure they got in bed with the Tea Party quick, fast and in hurry and they have had a significant role in turning the Tea Party into their foot soldiers.

All Christy O' is just another staunch, down-the-line, doctrine conservative who has run for the U.S. Senate seat twice before and lost twice before, most recently by 30 points to the guy who's now the Vice-President of the U.S.A.

Christy O' has pulled a page or two from the Sarah Palin Playbook: speak in generalities, be vague on specifics, describe the problem, but don't offer a solution, don't speak to the "lamestream media" but instead only speak to the friendly folks of Fox News where they won't even throw softballs; they just sorta roll 'em across the plate reaaaaaaaaal slow.

Smile pretty, throw out red meat to the base, raise a lot of quick cash ($1 million already since her victory), and hope enough voters are bored, disengaged and disconnected, so the 50,000 folks who actually bothered to vote in the primary are enough to win the day for you.

Next stop: Washington D.C., right? Not so fast.

It's silly to say Christy O' can't win, the odds that she will win aren't very good. She might be able to pull off a Scott Brown-style Massachusetts Miracle if Chris Coons is as lousy a candidate as Martha Coakley was. But the Democrats slept on what was happening there until it was too late. They won't make that mistake again because right now, Delaware is Ground Zero for Democratic hopes of keeping control of the Senate. They don't just NEED to win there. They HAVE to win there or Mitch McConnell can start measuring the drapes in Harry Reid's old office.

I predict Joe Biden will be spending a LOT more time in Delaware in the coming weeks. Sarah Palin will drop by to give her Mini-Me a shot in the arm, but neither she nor Christy O' make the hearts of independents and disaffected Democrats go aflutter.

A lot has already happened in this long primary campaign and so far a lot has gone right for the Tea Party types, but I agree with Biden that most voters aren't paying attention yet and won't until the World Series is over. The Dems are going to take it on the chin. There's little doubt about that, but how many teeth get loosened as opposed to knocked out remains to be seen.

Get'cher popcorn ready. cool.gif

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post Sep 18 2010, 02:25 PM
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QUOTE(Jobius @ Sep 17 2010, 06:23 PM) *
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Sep 17 2010, 02:16 PM) *
QUOTE(Amlord @ Sep 17 2010, 02:21 PM) *
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Sep 15 2010, 05:37 PM) *
Will any of the tea party types win? I strongly doubt that, and so Democrats will not only retain majorities, the majorities will grow.

I think I'll submit this as the quote of the year. You must be the only person in the country that thinks that the Democrats will pick up seats this November. ermm.gif


Actually, I'm not the only one now. But I will accept the nomination if selected and will serve if elected. cool.gif

. . .

It is a bit clumsy, but not letting the last party in control take the keys back is actually a real attitude among the non-tea-party types.

I have a better one: Don't do a repUblican turn now!

So you're liking that car metaphor, huh? The one with the ditch? Is wagering allowed on ad.gif? 'Cause if you're wrong about November, I want you to get me a Slurpee.

If the Democrats pick up seats, I'll send you some delicious homebrew beer. It's a good trade, assuming you like beer.


I like the bus metaphor better. Republicans drove this bus into the ditch. The way out is to turn left and thereby get back onto the road. If we give the keys back to the Republicans, they'll do a sharp right turn past the ditch and into the swamp. Everything they've done over the past couple of years tells me that nothing has changed for them, and in fact they've gotten worse.

Here's another prognostication: O'Donnell will get busted for having spent campaign funds on her personal expenses in previous elections. I'm basing that one on her former campaign manager's accusation.

Actual wagering isn't okay, but metaphorical wagering is kosher. Yeah, I like beer but from a liquor store.

Edit add:

Crikey, they actually are looking into the O'Donnell campaign funds usage! That was quick.

You'll just have to take my word for it that I posted the prognostication before coming across the news item this morning.

It's interesting that O'Donnell did her own prognostication (see video in the link) that "they" would be out to get her. Yep, because gal, you're a crook. Oh well.

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Whatever happened to John Anderson?

How to diffuse an obnoxious rant? Maybe with something equally obnoxious.

Do you mean this John Anderson or this one?

I'm referring to this John Anderson:

http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index...erson&st=80, Post #100
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This is just a quick note for leder and scubatim.

I understand fully why you would support Ron Paul. At one time I supported either Eugene McCarthy or Robert Kennedy instead of Hubert Humphrey. I voted for third party candidate John Anderson in 1980 and I thought Bill Bradley would have made a great candidate and president. It's sort of like I've been threre, done that.

Yeah, I did vote for that John Anderson in 1980.

But your analogy (ranting?) is like a horse that stumbles getting out of the gate. It doesn't work.

In 1980, Anderson created an independent alternative to Ronald Reagan and Jimmy Carter. Although I didn't vote for either of them, George Wallace and Ross Perot did the same thing in 1968 and 1992 and 1996 respectively. Then there was Theodore Roosevelt's 1912 run as a Bull Moose.

Christine O'Donnell, Sharron Angle, and Rand Paul are none of the above. They are not running as independents, they are running as guess what - Republicans.

Their focus is moving the Republican party to the outer fringes of right-wing lunacy.

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I simply don't understand some candidates. After winning the primary, O'Donnells website was thoroughly scrubbed and now only asks for donations. Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'

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I simply don't understand some candidates. After winning the primary, O'Donnells website was thoroughly scrubbed and now only asks for donations. Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'

Christine O'Donnell is taking candidate lessons from Sarah “Tweety Pie” Palin - no offense Bob Clampett and Mel Blanc.

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… speak to the American people, speak through Fox News …

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/09/17/s...h_n_720805.html

Apparently O'Donnell, at "Tweety Pie's" urging, found her own webpage more threatening than the "journalists" at FNC. rolleyes.gif

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QUOTE(Dontreadonme @ Sep 18 2010, 06:14 PM) *
I simply don't understand some candidates. After winning the primary, O'Donnells website was thoroughly scrubbed and now only asks for donations. Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'


Maybe what it is is once these fringe-mentality candidates actually win their primaries their handlers and advisers tell them what they need to do is compress and control the amount of information about them available to the public and press. Rand Paul won on a Tuesday, went on Rachel Maddow, tripped all over his tongue and was hurried away from any and all uncontrolled media appearances.

If you control the media you can control the message. The Pentagon learned that hard lesson after unfavorable media attention helped sour the public against the Viet Nam war and politicial campaigns have followed suit. They can eat the sausage, but never let 'em see how the sausage gets made or they'll never want sausage again.

It's not that Paul, Christy O' and Sharon Angle don't WANT to speak to the press and advocate and defend their positions. It's just that if they go on Meet the Press, Face the Nation or anything more challenging than "Fox and Friends," they are likely to say something honest that could sink their chances of being elected. The opposite of friendly media outlet is not a hostile one, but one that is more interested in asking probing and insightful questions instead of being your buddy. The good conservative folks sitting here in Ohio watching that spunky little girl in Delaware might not reach for their checkbook if she sits down next to Bob Scheiffer and looks like a deer in the headlights.

This strategy works. Up to a point. It depends heavily on voters choosing a candidate based upon their refusal to speak publicly, debate without advance notification of the questions, duck the press and to grant access exclusively to sympathetic media outlets.

It's a pretty gutless and punk move to make, but if it works and they get elected the politicians will live with it.

Then once they're safely in office, that's when the midnight hour chimes and all the masks come off. ph34r.gif
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I simply don't understand some candidates. After winning the primary, O'Donnells website was thoroughly scrubbed and now only asks for donations. Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'


I don't see how "dabbling in witchcraft" has any bearing on her political views and how she would vote in Congress. If she would vote and create policy according to her Satanic Book then I think that would be a problem, but I doubt she would and I don't even think she still practices witchcraft. Unfortunatly, this Delaware senate race has become all about Christine O' Donnell, we should be focused on what her opponents views are and be scrutinizing his self procalimed marxism.
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QUOTE(winepusher @ Sep 20 2010, 03:22 AM) *
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I simply don't understand some candidates. After winning the primary, O'Donnells website was thoroughly scrubbed and now only asks for donations. Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'


I don't see how "dabbling in witchcraft" has any bearing on her political views and how she would vote in Congress. If she would vote and create policy according to her Satanic Book then I think that would be a problem, but I doubt she would and I don't even think she still practices witchcraft. Unfortunatly, this Delaware senate race has become all about Christine O' Donnell, we should be focused on what her opponents views are and be scrutinizing his self procalimed marxism.


Ah yes, but your hyperbole is yours about someone else. O'Donnell's is her own, from her own mouth. Will the right actually embrace a former novice witch who was trying to get laid on an alter with blood on it? Granted, this has a certain goth appeal for the youngsters and a certain erotic appeal for the oldsters, but it is still a bad image.

Perhaps worse is the fact that O'Donnell has never been married and has no children, yet she is in her forties. What kind of stand-up right wing mother/homemaker would go for this? Has she been celibate all her life? That's inconceivable, given her generational position. So she must have been using birth control, and what about the surprise pregnancies? Did she have an abortion or two along the way?

I'm not saying that she did, but that is the way people will think about her once certain undeniable facts come into their consciousnesses. It's too strange for a conservative woman to be in her forties and unmarried/childless. A liberal woman would get away with it.

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QUOTE(winepusher @ Sep 20 2010, 03:22 AM) *
I don't see how "dabbling in witchcraft" has any bearing on her political views and how she would vote in Congress. If she would vote and create policy according to her Satanic Book then I think that would be a problem, but I doubt she would and I don't even think she still practices witchcraft. Unfortunatly, this Delaware senate race has become all about Christine O' Donnell, we should be focused on what her opponents views are and be scrutinizing his self procalimed marxism.


Double standards much? If a liberal Democratc were to be caught saying she "dabbled in witchcraft" like Christine O' Donnell did Pat Robertson would be calling for her to be burned at the stake.

Can't wait to see that 30-second ad: "Vote for Christine O'Donnell and take our country back! Oh, and Hail Satan!" devil.gif

By the way, winepusher, newbie or not, if you're going to suggest Chris Coons is a self-proclaimed Marxist, you might consider providing some proof of it.

Otherwise, people are liable to think you just made it up out your own head to deflect from Mrs. O'Donnell's strange dating habits. "I won't put out, but a little animal sacrifice is fine on the first date."
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QUOTE(winepusher @ Sep 20 2010, 03:22 AM) *
I don't see how "dabbling in witchcraft" has any bearing on her political views and how she would vote in Congress. If she would vote and create policy according to her Satanic Book then I think that would be a problem, but I doubt she would and I don't even think she still practices witchcraft.


I don't care if she dabbled or diddled.....she ran away from here first spate of appearances after winning her primary. Aside from being generally vague on her positions, she apparently doesn't want to even defend them.

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That tends to happen when fringe Dominionist candidates are put forth. To help you out on providing foundation for your claim of Marxism...as you should already know from the right wing blogs that are hyperventilating over this; the claim stems from Coons decision to volunteer to conduct relief work in Africa after college, in 1985. Gateway Pundit [of the aforementioned right wing hyperventilating] titles their article "Dems Hope Voters Will Focus on O’Donnell & Not on Chris Coons’ Marxist Past".....where they quote an article [originally by Politico] by Coons that states:

“My friends now joke that something about Kenya, maybe the strange diet, or the tropical sun, changed my personality; Africa to them seems a catalytic converter that takes in clean-shaven, clear-thinking Americans and sends back bearded Marxists,” Coons wrote, noting that at one time he had been a “proud founding member of the Amherst College Republicans.”

“[I]t is only too easy to return from Africa glad to be American and smugly thankful for our wealth and freedom,” added Coons. “Instead, Amherst had taught me to question, so in turn I questioned Amherst, and America.”


Quite the firebrand, eh? Yet conveniently, none of these reports can go any farther in proving said Marxism.....
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If you control the media you can control the message. The Pentagon learned that hard lesson after unfavorable media attention helped sour the public against the Viet Nam war and politicial campaigns have followed suit. They can eat the sausage, but never let 'em see how the sausage gets made or they'll never want sausage again.

It's not that Paul, Christy O' and Sharon Angle don't WANT to speak to the press and advocate and defend their positions. It's just that if they go on Meet the Press, Face the Nation or anything more challenging than "Fox and Friends," they are likely to say something honest that could sink their chances of being elected. The opposite of friendly media outlet is not a hostile one, but one that is more interested in asking probing and insightful questions instead of being your buddy. The good conservative folks sitting here in Ohio watching that spunky little girl in Delaware might not reach for their checkbook if she sits down next to Bob Scheiffer and looks like a deer in the headlights.

This strategy works. Up to a point. It depends heavily on voters choosing a candidate based upon their refusal to speak publicly, debate without advance notification of the questions, duck the press and to grant access exclusively to sympathetic media outlets.

It's a pretty gutless and punk move to make, but if it works and they get elected the politicians will live with it.

Then once they're safely in office, that's when the midnight hour chimes and all the masks come off.

You are describing how all candidates are winning state and federal elections.

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This strategy works. Up to a point.

This is not correct. The strategy does work. Voters overall are buffoons. Political experts know this and hence the political election strategy you outline. It does not apply to only your proclaimed fringe candidates. It applies to the vast majority of successful politicians. You know, the ones who win elections? Voters have to do much better. If voters depend on garbage information and seek such out we will continue to have garbage in office.

Meet the Press or Face the Nation are not any better than Fox and Friends. It is all one of the same.

The voters seem to want sensational personal details while at the same time not being much interested in policy. Easy media provides. Is it much of an argument that candidates wish to avoid easy media which is focused on getting sensational personal angles? I wish voters really wanted to know about policy.

If easy media actually pursued political philosophy and policy details and voters wanted to know about this this country would be better. The Maddow interview of Rand Paul is a good example where easy media was determined to have a gotcha statement, could not get it, but proceeded to claim it did. This is not informative. The made up story becomes the story and this misinformation is repeated over and over, even on the pages of ad.gif.

I do wish there was more information about O' Donnell's policy ideas on her site. While some statements seem to be anti-statist others hint at a theocon agenda. They are not specific. I am not in Delaware but such weak information on a website would not induce me to cast support were she in my state.
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Christine O'Donnell is the gift that keeps on giving.

Stealing from her own campaign fund. Delicious.
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Christine O'Donnell is the gift that keeps on giving.

Stealing from her own campaign fund. Delicious.

A bit about the crew (pun fully intended) that's launching said ... continuing with the pun theme ... fishing expedition:
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Donors to CREW include such liberal groups as George Soros' Open Society Institute, Democracy Alliance, Service Employees International Union, the Arca Foundation, and the Gill Foundation. ...
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Melanie Sloan serves as CREW's Executive Director. Prior to starting CREW in 2003, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, after having worked for Congressional Democrats John Conyers, Charles Schumer, and Joseph Biden.[14] As a lawyer she represents Valerie Plame in her lawsuit against former Bush administration official for their alleged role in the public disclosure of her classified CIA status. ...
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Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_...s_in_Washington

'Nuff said.

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QUOTE(akaCG @ Sep 20 2010, 03:44 PM) *
QUOTE(Raptavio @ Sep 20 2010, 04:12 PM) *
Christine O'Donnell is the gift that keeps on giving.

Stealing from her own campaign fund. Delicious.

A bit about the "crew" (pun fully intended) that's launching said complaint:
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Donors to CREW include such liberal groups as George Soros' Open Society Institute, Democracy Alliance, Service Employees International Union, the Arca Foundation, and the Gill Foundation. ...
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Melanie Sloan serves as CREW's Executive Director. Prior to starting CREW in 2003, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, after having worked for Congressional Democrats John Conyers, Charles Schumer, and Joseph Biden.[14] As a lawyer she represents Valerie Plame in her lawsuit against former Bush administration official for their alleged role in the public disclosure of her classified CIA status. ...
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Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_...s_in_Washington

'Nuff said.


They're a partisan outfit, sure, but O'Donnell's own campaign records don't lie. Argumentem ad hominem won't save you now.
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QUOTE(akaCG @ Sep 20 2010, 03:44 PM) *
QUOTE(Raptavio @ Sep 20 2010, 04:12 PM) *
Christine O'Donnell is the gift that keeps on giving.

Stealing from her own campaign fund. Delicious.

A bit about the "crew" (pun fully intended) that's launching said complaint:
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Donors to CREW include such liberal groups as George Soros' Open Society Institute, Democracy Alliance, Service Employees International Union, the Arca Foundation, and the Gill Foundation. ...
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Melanie Sloan serves as CREW's Executive Director. Prior to starting CREW in 2003, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, after having worked for Congressional Democrats John Conyers, Charles Schumer, and Joseph Biden.[14] As a lawyer she represents Valerie Plame in her lawsuit against former Bush administration official for their alleged role in the public disclosure of her classified CIA status. ...
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Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_...s_in_Washington

'Nuff said.


They're a partisan outfit, sure, but O'Donnell's own campaign records don't lie. Argumentem ad hominem won't save you now.


Are you betting that CREW's allegations that laws were broken will be proven? Or simply that said allegations, in and of themselves, will help derail her campaign?
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Christine O'Donnell is the gift that keeps on giving.

Stealing from her own campaign fund. Delicious.

A bit about the "crew" (pun fully intended) that's launching said complaint:
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Melanie Sloan serves as CREW's Executive Director. Prior to starting CREW in 2003, she served as an Assistant U.S. Attorney in the District of Columbia, after having worked for Congressional Democrats John Conyers, Charles Schumer, and Joseph Biden.[14] As a lawyer she represents Valerie Plame in her lawsuit against former Bush administration official for their alleged role in the public disclosure of her classified CIA status. ...
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Link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Citizens_for_...s_in_Washington

'Nuff said.


They're a partisan outfit, sure, but O'Donnell's own campaign records don't lie. Argumentem ad hominem won't save you now.


Are you betting that CREW's allegations that laws were broken will be proven? Or simply that said allegations, in and of themselves, will help derail her campaign?


Having reviewed the evidence (like the total lack of a campaign treasurer during a period of time when she was spending for personal "reimbursements" and also was not running for anything), I would say that the odds are good that the allegations will yield fruit legally.

I think her campaign needs little help being derailed, but as the allegations have meat behind them, they may well help, assuming the media do their jobs rather than stay away from it for fear of being labelled "liberally biased."
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Double standards much? If a liberal Democratc were to be caught saying she "dabbled in witchcraft" like Christine O' Donnell did Pat Robertson would be calling for her to be burned at the stake.

Can't wait to see that 30-second ad: "Vote for Christine O'Donnell and take our country back! Oh, and Hail Satan!" devil.gif


You mistake me as a Pat Robertson supporter, if a Liberal were caught saying that he or she dabbled in witchcraft in her high school years I would shrug it off. However, if they were currently practicing witchcraft then that would be a different story.

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http://virginiavirtucon.wordpress.com/2010...ist-for-senate/

Just out of curiousity, am I required to substantiate all my claims with internet sources?


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I don't care if she dabbled or diddled.....she ran away from here first spate of appearances after winning her primary. Aside from being generally vague on her positions, she apparently doesn't want to even defend them.


So do you care about the whole witchcraft contreversy, because in post 44 you seemed to have some concern. But as for her positions, she has been very clear on them. She would vote to extend all the Bush tax cuts, she is for small government, and she would repeal Obamacare. Her substantive positions have been muffled behind these frivolous concerns of witchcraft and her college loans.
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The Virginiavirtucon is your source? Seriously? Someone who just makes a claim with no actual proof and this is your source?

Am I the only one who misses Aquilla vs. Wertz? sigh

Is this truly a shining example from the tea party? The best they can muster? Dont we already have 2 sources of garbage politicians from the republicrats now we get this waste.

Yes the tea party can win, even a blind squirrel finds a nut sometimes. What push to the right? Isn't this the eternal push to the right by the right often referred to by the right? These are the same people who jumped on palin's bandwagon and were there when Gingrich rode into town and before that proudly wore Reagan pins after pulling of the old Goldwater tie pins. There is nothing new about the teabags. Elect these baggers and they will become the same old culture warrior republicans that peaked under Bush. Red and blue america, war on christmas our values vs their values. second verse same as the first.

Cant we get any originality at all. All we get are tired remakes of the same show which wasn't that good when originally aired. Who is dumb enough to buy any of this from either side. Tea party and hope n change? Ugh!

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So do you care about the whole witchcraft contreversy, because in post 44 you seemed to have some concern. But as for her positions, she has been very clear on them. She would vote to extend all the Bush tax cuts, she is for small government, and she would repeal Obamacare. Her substantive positions have been muffled behind these frivolous concerns of witchcraft and her college loans.


I don't want to doubt your reading comprehension skills...but I clearly stated in post 44: Now after a clip from Bill Maher's old show Politically Incorrect surfaced, showing CoD admitting that 'she dabbled in witchcraft'....she cancels her Sunday talk show appearances. Man up Christy!

Do these people simply think that 'who else is the right going to vote for...I don't have to work at this anymore?'


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Just out of curiousity, am I required to substantiate all my claims with internet sources?


I did more to substantiate your claim than you did.....and the premise is still transparently weak. Your own link states: The article, [which I cited already] written in 1985 when Mr. Coons was 21, describes how a semester in Kenya made him question his faith in the U.S. and the capitalist system and converted him from being a Republican to a Democrat.

Oh my......changing from a Republican to a Democrat.....the scandal!

More on that 1985 article: O'Donnell referenced an article Coons wrote in college in which he referred to himself as "a bearded Marxist."

Prompted by host Sean Hannity about Coons' years-old comment from Coons, she said, "if the media is going to attack me for statements I made in my 20s, that's fair game. He made some very anti-American statements, apologizing for America and calling himself a bearded Marxist."

Coons said earlier Tuesday on CNN that the reference was made in jest, calling it "a tongue-in-cheek reference to how Republicans on campus" viewed his transformation from a Young Republican to a Democrat.

The Hill

Apparently, she can be forgiven for remarks made in the 80's....but nobody else....

"Who didn't do some questionable things in high school, and who doesn't regret the '80s, to some extent?
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Is this win counter-prouctive for Delaware Republicans, Tea Party or not? Why, or why not? Edited to add: Or, is it a realignmnet of an out of touch elite with mainstream Republicanism?

Yes. Typically when a person wins the Party nomination we see a jump in the polls for them. This has not been the case here.

She is the weaker candidate (down 15 points in polls) who will almost surely lose whereas her opponent Castle had a lead of about 15 points. She seems to be “out of line” with nearly everyone in DE. I hope she wins but it’s a long shot now and it could have been a slam dunk for Castle.
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