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post Nov 4 2008, 03:38 PM
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.... please remember this: Our system of government is unique. This system has enabled an orderly transition of power under this Constitution every four years since 1789. The system continued unabated even during the Civil War, when elections occurred as usual in 1864. Regardless of whom you support, regardless of your political views, I would hope you would have reverence for and respect for our system that permits, almost nonchalantly so, these orderly transitions of power. History teaches us that such orderly transitions of power are not the norm--not even close. Our system is greater than the participants we vote for every four years, and we should always remember that.

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Hopefully on this point, none, but if you disagree, please state why.


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post Nov 4 2008, 04:38 PM
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I do not agree that we have a respectable system.

My chief complaint is the control of the system by special interest groups. The two major political parties are given undue control of the election process. This advantage is used as a wedge to prevent competition from other parties or individuals. Supporters of those in power use whatever means to alienate the electorate from the idea that it should be otherwise (such as the premise of this topic).

To correct the situation means we need to recognize that groups are, indeed, given advantage within government. This is against the constitutional philosophy of government by the people. Specifically, no special interest group should be given official recognition as a part of government. Also, and perhaps even more importantly, all election laws should be political party neutral.

Until we have equal opportunity election laws, the bias towards certain groups will stain what should be an honorable means of holding elections.

The orderly transitions we have complied with, despite the prejudice, does not mean the elections deserve to be put upon a shrine. Compliance with the best we have to offer does not mean we should be content with a flawed election system.
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post Nov 4 2008, 05:11 PM
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QUOTE(quick @ Nov 4 2008, 03:38 PM) *
.... please remember this: Our system of government is unique. This system has enabled an orderly transition of power under this Constitution every four years since 1789. The system continued unabated even during the Civil War, when elections occurred as usual in 1864. Regardless of whom you support, regardless of your political views, I would hope you would have reverence for and respect for our system that permits, almost nonchalantly so, these orderly transitions of power. History teaches us that such orderly transitions of power are not the norm--not even close. Our system is greater than the participants we vote for every four years, and we should always remember that.

Questions for debate:

Hopefully on this point, none, but if you disagree, please state why.


Thanks.


I wholeheartedly agree (though, as usual, I am a little weary of the idea that peaceful democratic elections are somehow uniquely American, but American exceptionalism won't disappear any time soon so I suppose I'd better get used to it.)

I look forward to one of two things:

1. As seems most likely right now, to the constructive and generally supportive criticism of President Barrack H Obama's administration that will follow from this reverence and respect for the lawful outcome of a democratic election. Whoever wins, that they'll be given a chance to set out their stall properly and get their feet under the Oval Office desk before the partisan attacks begin i.e. can you all shut up about it after the victory parties this weekend, and stay quiet about what a liar/fraud/socialist/fascist/what-have-you the winner is until about a month after the inauguration? It's bad enough that your election campaigns have to last as long as they do as it is. tongue.gif

2. In the unlikely event that a win by any candidate can be shown to have been achieved through shady (even if legal) voter registration or polling station behaviour, that the whole USA will unite in condemnation and demand another election, organised more fairly, and the criminal prosecution of any and all persons involved in the conspiracy to pervert the democratic process, no matter which party politics are shown to be at fault. In other words, if your guy has to cheat to win, you'll focus more on the cheating than the winning.

As I look forward to these things, my tongue is firmy in my cheek, in case you hadn't noticed.
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