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> Muslim integration into Western Culture, Is it possible?
hayleyanne
post Jul 11 2005, 01:38 PM
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Moif and Hugo raised an interesting question about the problems surrounding muslim immigration to the West. So as not to take that thread off track, I thought it best to start a new thread on that topic.

Moif wrote:


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We have seen in Britain how the 'Islamic community' has tried to use its weight to have advertisements banned, theatre plays closed down and the sale of alcohol in public area's made illegal because these are an 'insult' to Muslims.

In my opinion, we have lost control of the situation in Europe and we are heading for a potential disaster. Our political leadership, as usual, has failed us by allowing so many immigrants to enter Europe without due regard to the consequences of introducing such a large hostile group of people belonging to an inflexible culture into the pre-existing European culture.

The idea of the politicians seems to be that this influx of immigrants will strengthen Europe by adding to the population and keeping the numbers up, but the problem is, no one has thought beyond that point to ask, what happens when the 20 million Muslims now in Europe, simply refuse to integrate?

What we are seeing in London and Spain, and right across Europe in a thousand smaller incidents that get hushed up because its not politically acceptable to criticize Islamic immigrants (that would be 'racist') is the end product of our naive tolerance towards Islam simply because it is a religion.

The bottom line is simple: Islamic culture is a direct contradiction to western culture and although there are similarities between both sides, these carry no weight when cultures collide.


Moif in that same post, gives numerous examples of the culture clash between the European and Muslim lifestyle/world views.

Questions for Debate:

What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim immigration to western countries?

Do you believe that muslims can successfully integrate into the culture of a western country? If not, why not?

Should western countries require muslim immigrants to integrate/assimilate into the culture?

How should the west respond to the increasing numbers of muslims seeking to immigrate?


** I am not sure if this topic should be in Domestic Policy. I chose principles and personal philosophy because it does not relate solely to U.S. domestic policy. Moderators-- please move it to wherever you think it is most appropriate.

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hayleyanne   Muslim integration into Western Culture   Jul 11 2005, 01:38 PM
moif   More of the same. This problem isn't going to ...   Jul 11 2005, 02:06 PM
aevans176   1. By "western" I would presume that wo...   Jul 11 2005, 02:28 PM
Ptarmigan   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Jul 11 2005, 02:32 PM
Horyok   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Jul 11 2005, 02:39 PM
Ptarmigan   Wow! How long have you been in America? Sure...   Jul 11 2005, 03:36 PM
Bill55AZ   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Jul 11 2005, 04:30 PM
Julian   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Jul 11 2005, 04:19 PM
DaffyGrl   Do you believe that muslims can successfully integ...   Jul 11 2005, 04:51 PM
moif   Julian I hope its okay with you but I'm going...   Jul 11 2005, 07:22 PM
Horyok   My bad, Ptarmigan... I was indeed referring to t...   Jul 11 2005, 09:13 PM
turnea   I'll put a new turn on this debate by saying t...   Jul 12 2005, 03:12 PM
moif   All that sounds great and wise turnea, But I'm...   Jul 12 2005, 04:36 PM
turnea   As if non-muslims never commit terrorists acts o...   Jul 13 2005, 03:00 PM
lordhelmet   I see it as a huge problem for western societies...   Jul 12 2005, 06:01 PM
moif   Me neither, but I'm not talking about individu...   Jul 13 2005, 04:45 PM
turnea   Please explain to me when you expect the next civ...   Jul 14 2005, 04:28 PM
Bill55AZ   Been watching the almost heated argument going on ...   Jul 13 2005, 05:20 PM
Julian   There is something thing I really don't get in...   Jul 13 2005, 05:46 PM
Hugo   Let us just assume, for the sake of debate, that...   Jul 13 2005, 06:51 PM
moif   Honestly? Maybe I am, I don't feel like I am, ...   Jul 13 2005, 07:35 PM
moif   Then we are guilty no matter what we do. No one ...   Jul 15 2005, 12:32 AM
Erasmussimo   moif, since you are Green and have demonstrated st...   Jul 15 2005, 02:54 PM
turnea   I went back to check and am almost certain this i...   Jul 15 2005, 11:13 PM
moif   Is that last question correct in its formulation? ...   Jul 15 2005, 03:38 PM
Hugo   Maybe we need some numbers here. From: Something ...   Jul 15 2005, 05:12 PM
turnea   It took all of ten minutes to get to the bottom of...   Jul 15 2005, 06:14 PM
Hugo   Link In other words, pure baloney. Why, you may ...   Jul 15 2005, 07:17 PM
moif   I'm not familiar with either Daniel Pipes or L...   Jul 15 2005, 07:02 PM
moif   I'm not a lawyer but I'd say that the inte...   Jul 15 2005, 11:56 PM
KivrotHaTaavah   turnea: MPAC? Hardly a source for reliable infor...   Aug 4 2005, 04:07 AM
Bill55AZ   [quote=KivrotHaTaavah,Aug 4 2005, 04:07 AM] All M...   Aug 4 2005, 04:58 AM
Erasmussimo   The fact that you would offer such obvious nonsen...   Aug 4 2005, 05:06 AM
Renger   I was wondering when this topic would be discuss...   Aug 4 2005, 11:06 AM
loreng59   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Aug 4 2005, 02:53 PM
turnea   Come now, that is a silly generalization. I r...   Aug 4 2005, 05:46 PM
loreng59   Come now, that is a silly generalization. [snapb...   Aug 4 2005, 06:06 PM
moif   Wikipedia's figures look harmless, yes, but ac...   Aug 4 2005, 07:26 PM
Kuni   No, not unless we totally secularize their childre...   Aug 5 2005, 02:53 PM
Horyok   It would be interesting to hear the point of view ...   Aug 6 2005, 04:35 AM
VDemosthenes   My sister (who is not a member (well, she isn...   Aug 10 2005, 12:51 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Erasmussimo: "Islam isn't in America to ...   Aug 7 2005, 01:41 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Erasmussimo: More Ibn Warraq for you Islam and In...   Aug 7 2005, 02:38 AM
Erasmussimo   Um, let's get straight what's going on her...   Aug 7 2005, 04:56 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Erasmussimo: In his extreme frustration with the ...   Aug 9 2005, 02:05 AM
psyclist   Because I decided to study and learn about Islam...   Aug 9 2005, 03:53 AM
Erasmussimo   You know, KivrotHaTaavah, I don't want to ar...   Aug 9 2005, 05:33 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Psylist: Kudos to your communication with Muslims...   Aug 9 2005, 10:08 PM
Erasmussimo   So you believe that Americans are not sufficientl...   Aug 9 2005, 10:30 PM
psyclist   As I've said before with your quotes from th...   Aug 10 2005, 04:13 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Eras: I am not terrified. Nor do I want you or a...   Aug 10 2005, 03:30 AM
Erasmussimo   I don't know why you are intent on denying ev...   Aug 10 2005, 03:06 PM
KivrotHaTaavah   VDemosthenes: Muslims do not share one culture an...   Aug 10 2005, 03:58 AM
Mrs. Pigpen   Closed for staff review   Aug 10 2005, 04:42 AM
Mrs. Pigpen   Thread reopened. Please keep it civil, and avoid c...   Aug 10 2005, 02:13 PM
KivrotHaTaavah   Eras: I am not intent on denying any accomplishme...   Aug 11 2005, 12:10 AM
Erasmussimo   Your logic runs afoul of the timing. For example, ...   Aug 11 2005, 01:14 AM
KivrotHaTaavah   Eras: Bigotry? Yeah, right. Islam was developin...   Aug 11 2005, 05:21 AM
Julian   Excellent news. So now maybe we can debate the...   Aug 11 2005, 11:59 AM
azchurchmouse   Questions for Debate: What benefits/problems do y...   Aug 11 2005, 03:47 PM
turnea   Here lies a big part of the problem, a historica...   Aug 11 2005, 04:33 PM
KivrotHaTaavah   Julian: To address your last first, each of us ca...   Aug 13 2005, 01:13 AM
Erasmussimo   KivrotHaTaavah, you may have missed it, so I want ...   Aug 13 2005, 03:47 AM
Nolalebguy   Moif in that same post, gives numerous examples ...   Aug 19 2005, 05:22 PM
loreng59   Welcome Nolalebguy, I am very glad to have your ...   Aug 19 2005, 06:32 PM
VDemosthenes   Depends on the type of tolerance you are talking...   Aug 19 2005, 07:56 PM
Janabrute   What benefits/problems do you foresee with muslim ...   Aug 20 2005, 02:27 AM
Fma   As one of the few muslims on this forum, I think...   Sep 6 2005, 05:53 PM
Dingo   Questions for Debate: What benefits/problems do y...   Sep 16 2005, 11:53 PM
LyricalReckoner   Should we close Little Italy? Condemn China Town...   Sep 23 2005, 12:48 AM


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