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> Freedom of Association, Should it ever be violated?
Right Stuff News
post Jan 14 2004, 12:10 AM
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QUOTE(Corvus @ Jan 11 2004, 11:42 AM)
QUOTE(Right Stuff News @ Jan 11 2004, 07:01 AM)

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business, which are unable to discriminate based on ethnicity, gender, religion, &c.

This is a violation of the right to associate freely (which includes the right to not associate).


That's the best justifcation for racism in hiring or firing that I've ever seen.

http://www.cnn.com/US/9801/06/scouts.court.update/

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The cases hinge on whether the Boy Scouts should be considered a business or a private organization. If the justices determine the Scouts are a business, the organization would be subject to California's civil rights act, which prohibits businesses from discriminating because of religion, sexual orientation and other factors.

I believe that if someone says they are in favor of negative rights, qualified with a "but..." clause, they are not in favor of them at all. This came up in the Boy Scouts of America thread.

Some posters said that businesses are not free to associate with whomever they want, that businesses are unable to discriminate based on their whims. The argument from intimidation that only a bigot would demand rights was made: "That's the best justifcation for racism in hiring or firing that I've ever seen."

Bigotry is bad, but it is not an initiation of force. As such, no retaliatory force is justified. Being discriminatory is an economic disadvantage, which is enough for me.

Figured out how to quote correctly

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Right Stuff News   Freedom of Association   Jan 14 2004, 12:10 AM
Jaime   Where is this freedom granted us? I know of no fr...   Jan 14 2004, 12:25 AM
Dontreadonme   Since we are not barred from associating with peop...   Jan 14 2004, 12:31 AM
Right Stuff News   The Constitution recognizes that there exist univ...   Jan 14 2004, 12:42 AM
Hugo   Dr. Walter Williams on freedom of association. Fro...   Jan 14 2004, 03:52 AM
Corvus   Which was my answer. You should probably edit th...   Jan 14 2004, 04:09 AM
NiteGuy   I don't see anything wrong in his assertions ...   Jan 14 2004, 04:36 AM
Right Stuff News   I don't like your distinction between a publi...   Jan 14 2004, 05:43 AM
Julian   Hmm. People have rights to free association, but d...   Jan 14 2004, 01:40 PM
Right Stuff News   Businesses are made up of people with property rig...   Jan 14 2004, 10:11 PM
Julian   Not necessarily. A hoding company that is a wholl...   Jan 15 2004, 02:01 AM
Hugo   The fact is businesses consist of individual stock...   Jan 15 2004, 04:16 AM
Julian   My case has not considered what should or shoudl ...   Jan 15 2004, 01:39 PM
NiteGuy   Of course it would make no economic sense to disc...   Jan 15 2004, 02:41 PM
Vermillion   If you accept this 'freedome of association...   Jan 15 2004, 04:13 PM
Amlord   Walter Williams is very on-the-mark on this issue ...   Jan 15 2004, 08:01 PM
Hugo   Well consider the fact that it was Jim Crow laws ...   Jan 15 2004, 09:37 PM
quarkhead   Articles of incorporation are granted and defined ...   Jan 15 2004, 10:01 PM
Julian   Julian, your argument seems to center around ...   Jan 16 2004, 02:20 AM
Hugo   Of course we seem to be ignoring many Supreme Cour...   Jan 16 2004, 04:57 AM
quarkhead   You can argue, as I often do on the issue of welfa...   Jan 16 2004, 07:14 AM
Hugo   I think we could start another thread on corporate...   Jan 16 2004, 06:50 PM


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