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first to the mods/admins, I'm not sure where this should be posted. it is rather serious, in my opinion, and I feel it must be discussed. however I can't think of any questions for debate per se. if you feel it is too vauge or missing, please move rather then closing this thread, thank you.

now, I know I am likely to be viewed as a conspiracy nut and derided for daring to question the autheticity of the claims about the video showing Nick Berg's murder. while some (not here) are claiming he isn't actually killed in the video (it was a hollywood stunt type thing) I do not promte that view and think the Nick is as dead as Elvis.

however, what I do question is the identity of the killers and some of the claims made about them, as well as circumstances surronding this whole thing.

first and foremost, is the claim that the man weilding the knife is al-Zarqawi. the problem is that he doesn't identify himself as al-Zarqawi, he is wearing a mask, and Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead (Alleged Statement Says Extremist Killed)

second, the timing of the release of the video. it conviently coincides with the abu ghraib torture scandel. most media is now focusing on the beheading and not the torture. (though it still comes up) this is of paticular advantage to bush. people are now focused on the beheading instead of the torture. I find it strange this video came out JUST as bush needed it.

third, what's up with that jumpsuit? out of the hostage/pow photos I have seen, non had any with coalition pows/hostages in jumpsuits. there are however photos of prisoners in the same type of jump suit: such as this one, this one, this one and this one. (you can also see an orange jumpsuit in one or two of the torture photos (go to gallery, photos 2, 6 & 7)

fourth, if you look at the hands of the people responsible, their skin is fair light colored, not like you would expect to see on an arab.

fifth, when they start to say allah akbar, at around 4 and a half minutes, some of the voices sound rather western, almost as if they were non-arabic speakers. also, what they are saying, allah akbar, is inaccurate. a fundelmentalist muslim would pronounce it allahu akbar, which is the real way to say "god is greatest". (compare:ALLAH akbar vs. ALLAHU akbar. also, mp3raid.com has the call to prayer so you can hear it properly pronounced (follow the link, search for "adhan")

sixth, the rifles the men are holding. a reader of what really happened with a sharp eye pointed this out: at approximatly 4 minutes and and 33 to 40 seconds the man that is second to left puts down his rifle, providing a profile. at first it appears to be an AK (47 or 74) but upon further scrutinity it isn't. it does however match almost to a T another rifle (similar in design to the AK) and that is the Galil (possibly AR version) also, at about 1 minute and a half minutes the man on the right ends shoulders his weapon, and it has a telescoping stock. I have NEVER seen any AKs with a telescoping stock. both weapons are western and very expensive (which one reason terrorists like the AK, it's cheap)

seven. artemise pointed out to me that the screaming start BEFORE he is cut. one would figure that would happen AFTER.

eight. this one is rather ominous. prior to be "kidnapped", mr Berg was being held by iraq and US authorities. this is why he did not leave Iraq sooner.

CNN reported on Wednesday that Berg's family has e-mails in which the 26-year-old said he had been turned over to coalition forces, who held him for 13 days.

The Bergs filed a lawsuit on April 5, saying their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. Berg was released on April 6.

Berg told his parents he would try to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible. They last heard from him on April 9.

how convenient, he was realeased and the HAPPENED to get "kidnapped" right away.

there many more tiny details and discrepancies and I don't have time to post them all.

wquestion for debate are:

is it possible (even theoretically) that this was all staged to take attention away from the torture scandel (ala wag the dog)?

why are there so many inconsistencies and discrepancies in this whole thing?

do you think are government is not above doing something like this in order to keep something under wraps? (there is speculation he might have known something quite embarrassing to the coalition)