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May 13 2004, 01:07 AM
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![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() ![]() Five Hundred Club Group: Members Posts: 622 Member No.: 439 Joined: February-5-03 From: a little shack in colorado Gender: Male Politics: Independent Party affiliation: None |
first to the mods/admins, I'm not sure where this should be posted. it is rather serious, in my opinion, and I feel it must be discussed. however I can't think of any questions for debate per se. if you feel it is too vauge or missing, please move rather then closing this thread, thank you.
now, I know I am likely to be viewed as a conspiracy nut and derided for daring to question the autheticity of the claims about the video showing Nick Berg's murder. while some (not here) are claiming he isn't actually killed in the video (it was a hollywood stunt type thing) I do not promte that view and think the Nick is as dead as Elvis. however, what I do question is the identity of the killers and some of the claims made about them, as well as circumstances surronding this whole thing. first and foremost, is the claim that the man weilding the knife is al-Zarqawi. the problem is that he doesn't identify himself as al-Zarqawi, he is wearing a mask, and Iraq militants claim al-Zarqawi is dead (Alleged Statement Says Extremist Killed) second, the timing of the release of the video. it conviently coincides with the abu ghraib torture scandel. most media is now focusing on the beheading and not the torture. (though it still comes up) this is of paticular advantage to bush. people are now focused on the beheading instead of the torture. I find it strange this video came out JUST as bush needed it. third, what's up with that jumpsuit? out of the hostage/pow photos I have seen, non had any with coalition pows/hostages in jumpsuits. there are however photos of prisoners in the same type of jump suit: such as this one, this one, this one and this one. (you can also see an orange jumpsuit in one or two of the torture photos (go to gallery, photos 2, 6 & 7) fourth, if you look at the hands of the people responsible, their skin is fair light colored, not like you would expect to see on an arab. fifth, when they start to say allah akbar, at around 4 and a half minutes, some of the voices sound rather western, almost as if they were non-arabic speakers. also, what they are saying, allah akbar, is inaccurate. a fundelmentalist muslim would pronounce it allahu akbar, which is the real way to say "god is greatest". (compare:ALLAH akbar vs. ALLAHU akbar. also, mp3raid.com has the call to prayer so you can hear it properly pronounced (follow the link, search for "adhan") sixth, the rifles the men are holding. a reader of what really happened with a sharp eye pointed this out: at approximatly 4 minutes and and 33 to 40 seconds the man that is second to left puts down his rifle, providing a profile. at first it appears to be an AK (47 or 74) but upon further scrutinity it isn't. it does however match almost to a T another rifle (similar in design to the AK) and that is the Galil (possibly AR version) also, at about 1 minute and a half minutes the man on the right ends shoulders his weapon, and it has a telescoping stock. I have NEVER seen any AKs with a telescoping stock. both weapons are western and very expensive (which one reason terrorists like the AK, it's cheap) seven. artemise pointed out to me that the screaming start BEFORE he is cut. one would figure that would happen AFTER. eight. this one is rather ominous. prior to be "kidnapped", mr Berg was being held by iraq and US authorities. this is why he did not leave Iraq sooner. QUOTE(http://www.cbc.ca/stories/2004/05/12/berg_custody040512) CNN reported on Wednesday that Berg's family has e-mails in which the 26-year-old said he had been turned over to coalition forces, who held him for 13 days. The Bergs filed a lawsuit on April 5, saying their son was being held illegally by the U.S. military. Berg was released on April 6. Berg told his parents he would try to get out of Iraq as quickly as possible. They last heard from him on April 9. how convenient, he was realeased and the HAPPENED to get "kidnapped" right away. there many more tiny details and discrepancies and I don't have time to post them all. wquestion for debate are: is it possible (even theoretically) that this was all staged to take attention away from the torture scandel (ala wag the dog)? why are there so many inconsistencies and discrepancies in this whole thing? do you think are government is not above doing something like this in order to keep something under wraps? (there is speculation he might have known something quite embarrassing to the coalition) |
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unabomber Nick Berg beheading May 13 2004, 01:07 AM
uhavenoidea
NO becuase the dogs "attacking" the nud... May 13 2004, 01:23 AM
Dontreadonme For now I will comment on the weapons.
I know that... May 13 2004, 01:36 AM
Artemise DTOM,
Actually he is not screaming, he is calm be... May 13 2004, 01:57 AM
Irwin Is it possible? Sure, anything is possible. Faking... May 13 2004, 03:31 AM
Robin_Scotland Odd. There was a program on TV last night about th... May 13 2004, 09:44 AM
moif is it possible (even theoretically) that this was ... May 13 2004, 09:54 AM
Artemise While Im not up for conspiracy on this yet there a... May 13 2004, 11:24 AM
moif Artemise
Once, to my regret, I saw footage of a... May 13 2004, 12:03 PM
Paladin Elspeth I could not bring myself to view the video, so I c... May 13 2004, 12:31 PM
Artemise Moif,
This video is particularily gruesome and no... May 13 2004, 12:41 PM
Irwin
Not surprising. Pretty much par for the course fo... May 13 2004, 01:47 PM
redliner1989 As for the timer differences.
The two cameras, sl... May 13 2004, 09:55 PM
Paladin Elspeth
Alternatively, Irwin, th... May 13 2004, 11:50 PM
redliner1989 P.E.:
Nope, not even close:
JFK would be:
1. ... May 13 2004, 11:59 PM
Paladin Elspeth And if JFK had not been assassinated, what would h... May 14 2004, 12:05 AM
Mrs. Pigpen
PE...do you seriously think that the conspiracy s... May 14 2004, 12:19 AM
redliner1989
Funny, Vietnam, with 53,000 deaths, not a mistak... May 14 2004, 12:26 AM
Jaime red - you're way off-topic.
DEBATE:
Is it pos... May 14 2004, 12:29 AM
Paladin Elspeth
I'm sorry, Mrs. P, I must not have been clea... May 14 2004, 12:58 AM
droop224 First post:
Unabomber, you do sound like a conspi... May 14 2004, 04:03 AM
kalabus I do not see anything that suggests such a thing. ... May 14 2004, 04:20 AM
Artemise Sorry droop, I have to disagree.
The audio has t... May 14 2004, 05:19 AM
droop224 Now I'm really going to sound like a conspirac... May 14 2004, 05:51 AM
Julian
huh? Isn't this they guy who, as Texan govern... May 14 2004, 12:55 PM
Irwin
Huh? How does the incompetent behavior of the Bus... May 14 2004, 01:39 PM
Paladin Elspeth
Huh? How does the incompetent behavior of the Bus... May 14 2004, 09:05 PM
unabomber there is another MAJOR inconsitancy that has devel... May 15 2004, 10:31 PM
CruisingRam At this point- I am not really buying a conspiracy... May 16 2004, 08:33 AM
Confused This man was beheaded. His corpse was found withou... May 16 2004, 09:34 AM
Artemise Confused.
I dont think anyone here is actually ... May 16 2004, 11:00 AM
Paladin Elspeth
Who said the Bush administration did it? I must ... May 16 2004, 11:20 PM
droop224 Confused,
I don't think I can add too muc... May 17 2004, 12:59 AM
Confused OK, technically, nobody is saying Bush ordred the ... May 17 2004, 05:15 AM
Artemise Well confused, youve just made my argument for me ... May 17 2004, 09:19 AM
Mrs. Pigpen
Actually, yes. The questions to be debated are:
... May 17 2004, 01:20 PM
Artemise
Well, maybe they couldnt get it all together in ... May 17 2004, 10:00 PM
Mrs. Pigpen
An Islamic website broadcasted the killing and sa... May 18 2004, 01:38 AM
Irwin The gold ring thing is a ploy by people on here tr... May 18 2004, 01:56 AM
English Horn
Didn't Christians do the same thing during Cr... May 18 2004, 02:22 AM
Irwin
Yea.....a 1,000 years ago. Islam started in what,... May 18 2004, 03:06 AM
Jaime FINAL WARNING BEFORE CLOSURE. We're WAY off-t... May 18 2004, 03:11 AM
Artemise
I never said Bush planned this, I have my own th... May 18 2004, 04:41 AM
kathaksung Motive and timing
Timing played an important fact... May 19 2004, 01:32 AM
rg69 Err... I hate to interfere, but several of the ... May 19 2004, 03:13 AM
Artemise Ive mentioned this last part several times. Noone,... May 19 2004, 11:31 AM
Julian The man to the far right especially is too white, ... May 19 2004, 01:00 PM
Lesly
Because it's hard to say.
Service members ... May 19 2004, 01:17 PM
Artemise
Julian, you being European, have you ever been a... May 19 2004, 02:15 PM
Julian Artemise my point was less to do with the nuances ... May 20 2004, 01:04 PM
cultureofgreed My obervation is that this video is a obvious forg... May 23 2004, 04:18 AM
nebraska29
I'm not sure about the "faking" of ... May 24 2004, 11:34 AM
DaffyGrl It's a bit off topic, but maybe not?
Is it po... May 28 2004, 06:56 PM
kathaksung Nick Berg's beheading case was used to distrac... Jun 8 2004, 09:41 PM![]() ![]() |
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