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 Jan 23 2005, 04:43 PM
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Tweedy Impertinence
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QUOTE(Artemise) Ridiculous and tiresomely naive. The puppet government theory is the only theory, because we did not go into Iraq for Freedom and Democracy, which is LAME and too expensive for the desired outcome, nor WMD as we well know. It is a resource war. Its really time people get this understood because its not the last one, nor has it been the first, but will only escalate from now.
If people choose to have their heads in the sand and think of ' the goodness', 'of sweet americans', who want to 'rain down on oppressed nations the freedoms and democracy they enjoy, like butterflys on a field of wildflowers', they are out of their minds.
This is oil. No freaking butterfly matter, and dont think we would have ever invaded any Discombobuludistan for human rights abuses, torture and killings or Freedom like we did Iraq, we never did. Get real and smart. A common theory on the motivation for the Iraq war but I've noticed most who back it don't have a clear picture on the logistics of such a war. Questions For Debate:
Did the US government invade Iraq to control the oil?
If so, how will the gain more control over the oil than they had will previous dealings under Saddam?
Is the US government setting up a puppet government in Iraq?
If so, again, how will this be managed and maintained?
Proponents of the "Oil for War" theory, what evidence do you have that the US
is attempting such a thing?
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 turnea Oil War in Iraq Jan 23 2005, 04:43 PM Ol Sarge
Did the US… Jan 24 2005, 12:33 AM phaedrus Did the US government invade Iraq to control the o... Jan 24 2005, 03:57 AM fairplay-PA
The US government chose to invade Iraq for one re... Jan 25 2005, 03:44 PM Dontreadonme The problem I have with your assumption fairplay-P... Jan 25 2005, 04:39 PM  fairplay-PA
While I will readily admit that my comment on th... Jan 26 2005, 01:24 AM Ptarmigan Questions For Debate:
Did the US government invad... Jan 25 2005, 05:48 PM Ol Sarge
Here is where I have insert the contention what ... Jan 25 2005, 06:47 PM Leonard I have always said there were four reasons the U.S... Jan 25 2005, 08:32 PM Dontreadonme
I disagree completely with this assertion. Its es... Jan 25 2005, 09:23 PM Leonard The United States did maintain bases in Saudi Arab... Jan 25 2005, 10:18 PM Darenas Did the US government invade Iraq to control the o... Jan 25 2005, 11:14 PM Cube Jockey I'll take a stab at this, but I have to say up... Jan 26 2005, 05:01 AM Artemise Iraq's oil has been fought over since the dis... Jan 26 2005, 10:59 AM turnea
1. If my mind was closed then I wouldn't ask ... Jan 26 2005, 04:45 PM Cube Jockey
Touche. I'll clarify what I meant. I don... Jan 26 2005, 06:42 PM turnea
Perhaps, but that is so far about the extent of t... Jan 28 2005, 06:02 PM cgorham Did the US government invade Iraq to control the o... Jan 26 2005, 05:55 PM Mrs. Pigpen
I mean, how much evidence do we need? This admin... Jan 26 2005, 06:51 PM cgorham
If you're lost on the statements about why w... Jan 27 2005, 02:59 AM Mrs. Pigpen
Could you PLEASE explain to me what else could h... Jan 27 2005, 03:11 AM giftzahn
Isn't it possibly another component of the ... Jan 27 2005, 12:29 PM cgorham
Again, his statement speaks for itself. I don... Jan 27 2005, 12:20 PM Mrs. Pigpen
Again, his statement speaks for itself. I don... Jan 27 2005, 03:08 PM Artemise Ok, Since my quote was used, I want to further sta... Jan 29 2005, 12:53 PM turnea
Here's the first problem with this theory, Ir... Feb 28 2005, 06:52 PM bucket
Sudan is merely selling oranges and carpets? I ... Jan 29 2005, 10:00 PM Artemise Oranges and carpet sellers was in response to anot... Feb 1 2005, 07:34 AM Mrs. Pigpen
No one is presenting a counter argument because ... Feb 1 2005, 10:19 PM bucket
I disagree as we can see with Sudan... the fact s... Feb 6 2005, 05:08 PM NeoCon30
In Bush's 2000 debate with Al Gore in St. Lou... Feb 28 2005, 08:45 PM turnea
Well not fully, some reason can be safely "e... Mar 1 2005, 05:38 PM Cube Jockey
Ok Turnea, I'm going to state this once agai... Mar 1 2005, 07:28 PM Hobbes
Ok Turnea, I'm going to state this once again... Mar 1 2005, 08:55 PM Cube Jockey
First of all, I would hardly call the doubling of... Mar 1 2005, 09:12 PM Hobbes
Yes, yes it does...I just don't think you li... Mar 1 2005, 09:23 PM Cube Jockey
So you are saying that you think it makes sense b... Mar 1 2005, 09:37 PM Hobbes
CJ...that's my point...you haven't shown... Mar 2 2005, 12:22 AM Mrs. Pigpen
No, the data you presented is completely unrelate... Mar 1 2005, 10:53 PM droop224 Hobbes
:lol: :lol: Hilarious!! Do you ... Mar 2 2005, 05:55 PM turnea
A hop to nowhere. :P
Oil related companies that ... Mar 2 2005, 06:30 PM Fma
Very well said I believe. There has never been ... Mar 2 2005, 06:38 PM turnea
I believe France, Poland, Scandanavia et al. woul... Mar 2 2005, 07:01 PM Fma
I believe France, Poland, Scandinavia et al. woul... Mar 3 2005, 05:08 PM Hobbes
Droop, yes, I saw that. That's why I picked... Mar 2 2005, 08:29 PM Cube Jockey
This will be my last response in this thread beca... Mar 2 2005, 08:49 PM Mrs. Pigpen
Well, if the price per barrel of oil increases, ... Mar 2 2005, 07:48 PM Mrs. Pigpen I think some need to review the logical fallacies ... Mar 2 2005, 09:17 PM moif Did the US government invade Iraq to control the o... Mar 2 2005, 11:01 PM turnea
That would be because it would be off topic. I s... Mar 3 2005, 04:42 AM Genesisblade
Who hired Halliburton then? I doubt it was the fr... Mar 3 2005, 12:48 PM Mrs. Pigpen
Like CJ, I am tiring of this debate, but I must r... Mar 3 2005, 02:34 AM moif Mrs P
I don't know how you can see the Chin... Mar 3 2005, 03:23 AM aevans176
I don't know how you can see the Chinese gov... Mar 3 2005, 03:23 PM Artemise
I dont believe this is the case. I think there i... Mar 3 2005, 10:35 AM Mrs. Pigpen
I have read about the impending crisis of the Eu... Mar 3 2005, 02:31 PM Genesisblade
Well, its only a minor addition, but the exchange... Mar 3 2005, 02:58 PM moif If it's true, I'd expect the crafty politi... Mar 3 2005, 03:01 PM turnea Artemise you can be sure I read every link you pst... Mar 3 2005, 03:02 PM Horyok That the the oil market uses US dollars instead of... Mar 3 2005, 03:10 PM Mrs. Pigpen How do you know they're not? Plenty of other p... Mar 3 2005, 03:13 PM Ptarmigan I'm not sure if this really contributes to the... Mar 3 2005, 03:36 PM moif Well, at least I get applauded for something! ... Mar 3 2005, 04:25 PM turnea
I don't believe I ever said anything differe... Mar 3 2005, 04:36 PM moif I never said they did.
You keep saying this, bu... Mar 3 2005, 05:08 PM turnea
The US is not run by one person. As I understand ... Mar 3 2005, 05:59 PM moif I don't frequent such sites, so I really would... Mar 3 2005, 06:36 PM turnea
Then what was the point of the remark? Yes, Saudi... Mar 3 2005, 07:08 PM Hobbes
There are plenty of reasons, oil not chief among... Mar 3 2005, 07:18 PM moif The root cause of Islamic terrorism, is fundamenta... Mar 3 2005, 10:37 PM turnea
They must have been their for repairs or at most... Mar 4 2005, 12:08 AM Genesisblade
Iraq's Postwar Oil Opportunities - 2003 Yes ... Mar 4 2005, 12:09 PM moif Turnea.
I followed your link (jazzy site) and to... Mar 4 2005, 01:25 PM Artemise Look, this is very simple and Mrs P put it clearly... Mar 4 2005, 02:18 PM Genesisblade
Actually i've always been fond of the notion ... Mar 4 2005, 03:29 PM turnea
Wrong, if they had been orange and carpet sellers... Mar 4 2005, 03:32 PM Genesisblade
erm... they could still have been accused of havi... Mar 4 2005, 04:45 PM Hobbes RE: Oil War in Iraq Mar 4 2005, 08:45 PM Artemise
Really? And the US pushed for a nonmilitary solu... Mar 4 2005, 04:20 PM turnea
Well then please present that document so that we... Mar 4 2005, 08:49 PM moif RE: Oil War in Iraq Mar 4 2005, 11:44 PM turnea
A revealing question. The oil industry is a compl... Mar 7 2005, 12:12 AM Genesisblade
On the pumping of oil, if you pump the oil, then ... Mar 7 2005, 01:04 PM turnea
Would this be the 'free and uninfluenced... Mar 7 2005, 01:29 PM Genesisblade
Not a clue, but it isn't quite as quick and e... Mar 7 2005, 02:48 PM moif turnea
Without military authority, then you have ... Mar 7 2005, 01:55 PM Hobbes
We have a logical fallacy in your argument, h... Mar 7 2005, 07:28 PM turnea
Wait, oil countries trading in dollars translates... Mar 7 2005, 04:54 PM Genesisblade Its a tangential comment, but there was a program ... Mar 7 2005, 05:35 PM turnea
The media are indeed allowed relatively free ran... Mar 7 2005, 06:57 PM Mrs. Pigpen No I'm not. My opinion is clear, that the war ... Mar 7 2005, 10:12 PM moif Turnea
Turnea, they already did it.
Using milit... Mar 7 2005, 11:00 PM turnea
Although I agree that realpolitik is a very fun b... Mar 7 2005, 11:38 PM moif Well.. I don't think so. I think your wrong to... Mar 7 2005, 11:45 PM turnea
Could you possibly refer to some of their reactio... Mar 8 2005, 01:01 AM Hobbes
I wasn't implying immediate dominance. Howe... Mar 8 2005, 08:30 AM moif turnea
Don't get to hung up on the word ultim... Mar 8 2005, 12:09 PM moif Hobbes
How early on? The Euro was launched before... Mar 8 2005, 01:06 PM Genesisblade
First, they HAD used to control Saddam's gov... Mar 8 2005, 02:03 PM Mrs. Pigpen
How was the euro dealt any blow, in any way? Thi... Mar 8 2005, 02:49 PM
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