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> Capitalism, Is there a better way???
Antny
post Jan 25 2005, 07:14 PM
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"Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone."
- John Maynard Keynes

"Capitalism is our only moral system. All other systems take advantage of man's rights and liberties. "
- Ayn Rand

"In the Soviet Union, capitalism triumphed over communism. In this country, capitalism triumphed over democracy."
- Fran Lebowitz

"This American system of ours, call it Americanism, call it capitalism, call it what you will, gives each and every one of us a great opportunity if we only seize it with both hands and make the most of it"
- Al Capone

"I am going to fight capitalism even if it kills me. It is wrong that people like you should be comfortable and well fed while all around you people are starving."
- Sylvia Pankhurst

This little collection of Quotes provides a glimpse at the various views and beliefs about capitalism. It certainly is a mainstay of American life. It is the driving force behind every industry, from education to defense, healthcare to sports, and everything in between. I personally think that capitalism has no place in healthcare, education, or media (news). That is beside the point.

The Participatory Economics Project (Parecon) offers a detailed alternative to capitalism. From their website: "The underlying values parecon seeks to implement are: equity, solidarity, diversity, and participatory self management. The main institutional vehicles to attain these ends are council democracy, balanced job complexes, remuneration according to effort and sacrifice, and participatory planning. "

http://www.zmag.org/ParEcon/index.back.htm

Questions to debate:
1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we begin to look at other economic systems that may prove useful.

2.) Could "Parecon" provide a useful Reform movement, specifically in relation to education, healthcare, and Media - The industries that are designed to "serve" the public?

3.) What role do you think capitalism plays in the current political state of affairs in America?

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Antny   Capitalism   Jan 25 2005, 07:14 PM
Hobbes   1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we...   Jan 25 2005, 07:42 PM
christopher   I don't think outside of slavery I could ever ...   Jan 25 2005, 08:11 PM
Antny   I don't think outside of slavery I could ever...   Jan 25 2005, 08:58 PM
Tim-Mello   The reason capitalism is so successful is that it ...   Jan 25 2005, 09:27 PM
Hobbes   In the long-run, this is simply not true. Too o...   Jan 25 2005, 10:30 PM
Cube Jockey   1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we...   Jan 25 2005, 09:14 PM
overlandsailor   Exploiting the Airwaves? Let's see. TV Br...   Jan 25 2005, 09:31 PM
Amlord   1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we...   Jan 25 2005, 09:58 PM
Gusten   1. No, Socialism is, Viva īla revolucion.........   Jan 25 2005, 10:02 PM
DaffyGrl   Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we beg...   Jan 25 2005, 10:20 PM
M--D   This is really one question: Who do you trust m...   Jan 25 2005, 10:39 PM
Cube Jockey   Wrong. First, by trying to turn this into some k...   Jan 25 2005, 10:55 PM
catquas   Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we beg...   Jan 25 2005, 11:13 PM
Tim-Mello   This is what I thought before I responded. Capit...   Jan 26 2005, 04:11 PM
ConservPat   "Capitalism is the worst economic system divi...   Jan 25 2005, 11:17 PM
christopher   I guarantee our ideas of the "common good...   Jan 25 2005, 11:38 PM
Antny   I guarantee our ideas of the "common good...   Jan 26 2005, 04:22 PM
AuthorMusician   1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we...   Jan 25 2005, 11:51 PM
Cube Jockey   I disagree with you here. Capitalism is not the ...   Jan 26 2005, 04:59 AM
aevans176   The funny thing about your statement in referenc...   Jan 26 2005, 03:13 PM
Cube Jockey   Ok fair enough, but then it would seem to make se...   Jan 26 2005, 06:23 PM
aevans176   In reference to your first mention of vouchers an...   Jan 26 2005, 10:11 PM
catquas   I don't see how that really makes sense. By ...   Jan 27 2005, 02:52 AM
aevans176   I don't see how that really makes sense. By ...   Jan 27 2005, 10:34 PM
catquas   They all are very similar to ours, no doubt, but...   Jan 28 2005, 04:30 PM
M--D   Wrong. First, by trying to turn this into some k...   Jan 26 2005, 01:53 AM
overlandsailor   There is no reason that a middle ground cannot be ...   Jan 26 2005, 03:27 AM
Hobbes   This is true, but I think the basic issue that t...   Jan 26 2005, 04:15 PM
Antny   . [u]Wrong. First, by trying to turn this into ...   Jan 26 2005, 04:19 AM
ConservPat   No, capitalism is definately not the best we can d...   Jan 26 2005, 02:03 PM
AuthorMusician   CJ, Yep, you're right -- capitalism does al...   Jan 26 2005, 03:13 PM
ConservPat   I see it as just the reverse. Education is in a h...   Jan 26 2005, 04:36 PM
Tim-Mello   I see it as just the reverse. Education is in a h...   Jan 26 2005, 08:33 PM
AuthorMusician   aevans176, Please don't quote me and use yo...   Jan 26 2005, 04:57 PM
Hobbes   AM...initially, I was going to disagree with usi...   Jan 26 2005, 05:37 PM
M--D   I must be taking the question too literally becaus...   Jan 26 2005, 09:37 PM
Cube Jockey   We either have a free market system or we don...   Jan 26 2005, 10:23 PM
overlandsailor   I disagree with you here. Capitalism is not the ...   Jan 26 2005, 11:33 PM
Amlord   It is interesting to note how the orginators of th...   Jan 27 2005, 03:24 AM
Antny   Perhaps it is simply terminology, but calling on...   Jan 27 2005, 05:11 PM
overlandsailor   I don't know how much everyone pays for heal...   Jan 27 2005, 09:30 PM
Hobbes   ...and, in this country, we have more lawyers th...   Feb 1 2005, 08:12 PM
Antny   Sailor, you are fortunate in that you have insuran...   Jan 28 2005, 03:38 AM
Mrs. Pigpen   I'm not sure how you make the connection bet...   Jan 28 2005, 04:14 AM
overlandsailor   Not everyone is that fortunate. I'm pretty s...   Jan 28 2005, 04:50 AM
Antny   Perhaps it is not capitalism, it's pure cor...   Jan 28 2005, 04:53 AM
Antny   I wouldn't say that in America, the healthca...   Jan 28 2005, 05:03 AM
Hobbes   (in an attempt to bring this back to the issues pr...   Jan 28 2005, 06:24 PM
Fife and Drum   1.) Is capitalism the best we can do, or should we...   Feb 1 2005, 04:21 PM
Amlord   Compare those individuals with ones that have sc...   Feb 1 2005, 07:25 PM
catquas   Other forms of government? This discussion is ab...   Feb 2 2005, 12:19 AM
Amlord   Other forms of government? This discussion is ab...   Feb 2 2005, 04:16 AM
quarkhead   Other forms of government? This discussion is ab...   Feb 2 2005, 04:27 PM
overlandsailor   Hobbes, don't make the mistake of thinking t...   Feb 1 2005, 11:12 PM
Antny   So...let me see If I can sum up what we've cov...   Feb 2 2005, 01:45 AM
Amlord   I thought it was implied, but I must say that the ...   Feb 2 2005, 05:28 PM
Hugo   Actually I find parecon has a wonderful leftist al...   Feb 2 2005, 07:51 PM
Frozny   I think the greatest flaw of capitalism is it...   Feb 12 2005, 08:29 PM
Mrs. Pigpen   I don't understand this at all. Once that tr...   Feb 12 2005, 09:48 PM
Frozny   I don't understand this at all. Once that tr...   Feb 12 2005, 10:51 PM
nebraska29   [/QUOTE] I would take issue with the wording of...   Feb 15 2005, 03:22 AM
Antny   I would take issue with the wording of some of ...   Feb 16 2005, 03:20 PM
SWM28WDC   Capitalism works. Someone mentioned the game Mono...   Feb 18 2005, 09:24 AM
Frozny   Taxes on land are the opposite of the solution t...   Feb 19 2005, 03:55 PM
Antny   Now, this has gotten interesting. Stop land owner...   Feb 19 2005, 04:56 PM
SWM28WDC   -Frozny Not exactly. More exactly would be say t...   Feb 19 2005, 09:17 PM
Frozny   Again, I am not advocating the abolition of all ...   Feb 20 2005, 12:43 AM
SWM28WDC   How do you allocate scarce resources? If you an...   Feb 20 2005, 03:23 AM
droop224   How do you allocate scarce resources? If you an...   Feb 20 2005, 05:19 AM
overlandsailor   A few questions on this: Someone spent time mon...   Feb 20 2005, 12:44 PM
Frozny   That's not exactly my position. Nickel mine...   Feb 20 2005, 11:30 PM
NeoCon30   Thanks to droop this thread has digressed into t...   Feb 20 2005, 11:56 PM
Antny   Thanks to droop this thread has digressed into t...   Feb 21 2005, 10:57 PM
Dontreadonme   Never truer words spoken! Property enables p...   Feb 20 2005, 02:11 PM
Mrs. Pigpen   Agreed, but Frozny indicated that once the house...   Feb 20 2005, 02:36 PM
overlandsailor   But this same standard does not apply to mines a...   Feb 20 2005, 02:44 PM
SWM28WDC   But this same standard does not apply to mines a...   Feb 20 2005, 03:10 PM
SWM28WDC   Let me clarify my position. I consider Capitalism...   Feb 22 2005, 01:39 AM
Antny   . Interesting ideas. Could you expand on this. ...   Feb 22 2005, 11:26 PM
SWM28WDC   Natural wealth would be those things not created b...   Feb 22 2005, 11:59 PM
overlandsailor   Several times now I have seen you say this sor...   Feb 23 2005, 03:06 AM


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