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May 7 2005, 10:50 AM
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I've been more than a little surprised, and bemused at some of the news stories I've been seeing lately. To wit:
The Alabama judge who refused to remove a monument to the Ten Commandments on his courthouse lobby. The Right-Wing showing at the Terri Schiavo circus, and the ability of the religious right to force politicians to submit legislation in an attempt to overturn a legally rendered decision. A fundamentalist Kansas school board is attempting to bring Creationism into science classes: Link QUOTE "Evolution is a great theory, but it is flawed," said (Kathy) Martin, 59, a retired science and elementary school teacher who is presiding over the hearings. "There are alternatives. Children need to hear them…. We can't ignore that our nation is based on Christianity — not science." The hearings in Topeka, scheduled to last several days, are focusing on two proposals. The first recommends that students continue to be taught the theory of evolution because it is key to understanding biology. The other proposes that Kansas alter the definition of science, not limiting it to theories based on natural explanations. In Tennessee, one County Commissioner wants to ban Gays from his county altogether. Link QUOTE The county that was the site of the Scopes "Monkey Trial" over the teaching of evolution is asking lawmakers to amend state law so the county can charge homosexuals with crimes against nature. Commissioner J.C. Fugate, who introduced the measure, also asked the county attorney to find a way to enact an ordinance banning homosexuals from living in the county. "We need to keep them out of here," Fugate said. And finally, this story from North Carolina, where a Baptist minister has ex-communicated nine Democratic members of his church for failing to vote for Bush during the last election: Link QUOTE Some in Pastor Chan Chandler's flock wish he had a little less zeal for the GOP. Members of the small East Waynesville Baptist Church say Chandler led an effort to kick out congregants who didn't support President Bush. Nine members were voted out at a Monday church meeting in this mountain town, about 120 miles west of Charlotte. ~ During the presidential election last year, Chandler told the congregation that anyone who planned to vote for Democratic Sen. John Kerry should either leave the church or repent, said former member Lorene Sutton. I believe that we are seeing a dangerous trend in this country by the more radical fundamentalist elements of our churches, religious leaders and politicians. An out and out attempt to overturn or just plain disregard the idea of Church-State separation in this country. Yes I know that philosphically speaking, none of these stories actually deals with Congress establishing a religion. However, it seems that some are rather indifferent at best, and encouraging at worst, of individual counties or states, and in some cases even the federal government (faith-based programs) pushing the envelope as far as it can be pushed. Left alone, or cheered from the sidelines by fundamentalist politicians, can an American Theocracy be far behind? Questions for Debate: 1. Is the upsurge of stories like this due to the belief by fundamentalists that they are "owed" something by the politicians they supported? 2. Is all of this leading up to a wholesale war by fundamentalists on the institutions of government and society, or are these merely isolated incidents? 3. What does this say for the idea of a separation of church and state in this country, when secular institutions and are coming under a more direct attack, both locally and at the federal level? |
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NiteGuy American Theocracy May 7 2005, 10:50 AM
ralou 1. Is the upsurge of stories like this due to the ... May 7 2005, 02:46 PM
Goldblum
1. I don't think it has anything to do with t... May 7 2005, 04:01 PM
Erasmussimo First off, I fear that your questions are of so ge... May 7 2005, 04:05 PM
psyclist
I too believe the line separating church and s... May 8 2005, 01:10 AM
turnea 1. Is the upsurge of stories like this due to the ... May 7 2005, 04:08 PM
Hugo
This simply counters the attack of sacred instit... May 7 2005, 04:28 PM
Erasmussimo
Hugo, could you list for me any examples of ... May 7 2005, 04:54 PM
Hugo
Hugo, could you list for me any examples of ... May 7 2005, 05:38 PM

Erasmussimo
Let us simply take one example; the public schoo... May 7 2005, 06:01 PM

Hugo
Let us simply take one example; the public schoo... May 7 2005, 06:12 PM

Erasmussimo
You seem to be arguing that government funding of... May 7 2005, 06:22 PM

Hugo
You seem to be arguing that government funding of... May 7 2005, 06:29 PM

Erasmussimo
OK, well I certainly won't argue with that. ... May 7 2005, 06:51 PM

Hugo
OK, well I certainly won't argue with that. ... May 7 2005, 07:29 PM

Erasmussimo
Can you give me an example -- other than public ... May 7 2005, 07:52 PM

Hugo
Can you give me an example -- other than public ... May 7 2005, 11:48 PM

Erasmussimo Hugo, your comments teem with vague accusatory phr... May 8 2005, 04:12 AM
ralou
Hugo, could you list for me any examples of ... May 8 2005, 08:29 PM
Jaime Hugo & Erasmussimo, perhaps one of you should ... May 7 2005, 06:52 PM
Erasmussimo
Yes, I'm trying to get back to the topic, an... May 7 2005, 07:02 PM
Victoria Silverwolf 1. Certainly, some members of the Religious Right... May 8 2005, 05:12 AM
Hugo If teacher's unions were the only impediment t... May 8 2005, 03:47 PM
Erasmussimo
I disagree. I know plenty of liberals who are op... May 8 2005, 04:38 PM
Hugo One huge red herring on the pharmacist issue. Whic... May 8 2005, 04:53 PM
Erasmussimo
I didn't say "monopoly", I said ... May 8 2005, 05:41 PM
Lin731
Ummm Hugo, The last time I looked the drug stor... May 8 2005, 09:10 PM
Aquilla This is a debate topic I've been considering s... May 8 2005, 09:55 PM
Erasmussimo
If this is the best example of government suppre... May 8 2005, 10:41 PM

Aquilla
If this is the best example of government suppre... May 8 2005, 11:05 PM

Erasmussimo
Nor did I. Note the "If".
Oh, Rhett... May 9 2005, 01:10 AM
hayleyanne
Well said Aquilla, I agree wholeheartedly. Two... May 9 2005, 12:58 AM
Hugo Once again, folks, it matters not if you believe r... May 9 2005, 05:11 PM
Erasmussimo
So you agree that infringements on such exercises... May 9 2005, 05:40 PM
Hugo
As you well know, we have a huge disagreement. W... May 9 2005, 05:54 PM

Erasmussimo Hugo, I agree with your observation that the deter... May 9 2005, 06:22 PM

Hugo
It is hard to debate this in typical free market... May 9 2005, 06:59 PM

Erasmussimo
Here we come to a fundamental assumption underly... May 9 2005, 08:06 PM

carlitoswhey
Ah yes, "nooks and crannies" like the D... May 9 2005, 09:15 PM

Erasmussimo
There's a mountain of insinuation here sittin... May 9 2005, 09:37 PM

carlitoswhey
There's a mountain of insinuation here sittin... May 9 2005, 09:53 PM

Erasmussimo
There's a mountain of insinuation here sittin... May 9 2005, 10:14 PM

carlitoswhey
There's a mountain of insinuation here sittin... May 10 2005, 02:50 AM
carlitoswhey
Not that you asked me, but since I'm having a... May 9 2005, 05:55 PM
Jaime
Keep inflammatory comments out of AD. If you do ... May 9 2005, 05:56 PM
AuthorMusician 1. Is the upsurge of stories like this due to the ... May 9 2005, 06:39 PM
DaffyGrl 1. Is the upsurge of stories like this due to the ... May 9 2005, 06:41 PM
Jaime CLOSED. We've mod noted this thread enough. T... May 10 2005, 03:24 AM![]() ![]() |
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