Mandela Blasts Bush's policy and calls his program recist.

Link (reuters)

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Wow, this goes to show that the race card can be played on ANY issue!

Thanks for the laugh, Eeyore.

This isn't the first time that I've heard that the U.S. has treated the UN with nothing but disdain since Kofi took charge. I don't think it makes any difference what color he is...this administration would still thumb their noses at any other authority because it sees itself as the [i]only]/i] true authority. An example can be seen by what Bush said in his SOUA and every other speech that we will rise to the responsiblity to protect the world. (not in those words but close.)

That seems to be a pretty big role he thinks he can fill. The thing is since he has all of the power he also get's all of the blame when things go wrong. I hope he and his followers keeps that in mind when things start going terribly, terribly wrong. Or at least more wrong than they are already.

Danya - are you in the right thread? This was about Nelson Mandela's speech to the International Women's Forum on the theme of Courageous Leadership for Global Transformation (what a mouthful!)

Yes, Mandella alluded to his theory that the reason we disrespect the UN is because Kofi Anon (sp?) is black and it's a racial thing. That we never did so in the past when it was run by a non-black leader. I am disagreeing with that theory and saying that I've heard that before.

You sound so sure of yourself. Well, I hope that you can be content to continue to reassure yourself of these outrageous claims you've been making, like you can see the future or something. But that's beside the point...how many September 11-like acts are going to have to happen before you people get it? Don't you understand that a lot of people in this world hate us? Don't you comprehend that there are people in this world sick enough to give up their own lives in order to rid the world of thousands of other lives? Can you believe that these fools actually think that they will be rewarded somehow for these killings? People hate us, and want to kill us, simply because we're Americans, and we have prospered in this world of (mostly) underachievers. It has nothing to do with Bush and his "Axis of Evil" reference or any other words that he has spoken. It is common to say that one's head is "stuck in the past," but on this accusation, I think people look at the present too closely. So, the American-killers are out there, and have been out there long before any of this ever happened, and President Bush is trying to do something about them, before they do something about us. Is this so hard to comprehend? You know, there's not always an evil ulterior motive to EVERYTHING.

As for Mandela Personal attack removed, I think he is a real, genuine fool, always has and always will be. "Holocaust"...what a disrespectful manner in which to address this very real and serious problem. This punk racism-squealler needs to keep his nose out of business that has nothing to do with him.

Conservativeteen-- [Inappropriate and ageist remarks removed] your description of a well educated and extraordinarily experienced man such as N Mandela is utterly inaccurate, insulting and inappropriate.

I always thought of Nelson Mendela as the Father of his Country. One of the truly impressive figures upon the world's stage.

That his view differs from those of President Bush, is his right - and doesn't offend me in the least.

However, when he states that we shape our foreign policy and our policy vis a vis the United Nations based upon racism toward a Black United Nations Secretary General is so far fetched that it ruins his credibility, in my opinion.

I have never thought ill of Nelson Mandela. My biggest problem with him is he took a Gandhian party and instilled violence in it. However the system he was facing retrenched instead of reformed.

Then he grew a halo while sitting in prison for 27 years as a mostly political prisoner.

Then he presided over a country going through a dramatic transformation and introduced a whole new model of forgiveness and recovery with South Africa's ahh . . . Truth here is the part I forget, Hearings? Anyway it has been quite successful.

So he built up quite a lot of political capital over the years.

Unfortunately I think he spent a lot of it on this speech which takes a legitimate point of view and throws big name calling spit wads with it. Holocaust, Racism, nuclear (or nukular) weapon abuser, and oil grabber. I understand not agreeing with Bush's policy, but this type of attack is only going to provide ammunition for those who support a unilateral approach to war.

I have to agree on this.

Americas long time distain for the UN has little to do with raceism.
America may be a lot of unpopular things but I have never seen it as raceist.
Mandela has gone down in my estimation.

Regards......Alan

I tend to agree that Mandela was out of his league when he said this was racist. How many armed forces soldiers are Black? I don't have figures but I bet it is quite a few. I wonder how they feel about Mandela saying this.

You sound so sure of yourself.
And yet my biggest hope is to be proven wrong.

Well, I hope that you can be content to continue to reassure yourself of these outrageous claims you've been making, like you can see the future or something.
Believe me, it's anything but reassuring. And I learned how to read the future from all the folks that tell me what Saddam will do if we don't attack his country.

But that's beside the point...how many September 11-like acts are going to have to happen before you people get it? Don't you understand that a lot of people in this world hate us? Don't you comprehend that there are people in this world sick enough to give up their own lives in order to rid the world of thousands of other lives? Can you believe that these fools actually think that they will be rewarded somehow for these killings?
I was about to ask you the same question.

People hate us, and want to kill us, simply because we're Americans, and we have prospered in this world of (mostly) underachievers.
Yes, the world is jealous of us, that's why we were attacked. That's also why Mandela and so many other's say these mean things about us.

It has nothing to do with Bush and his "Axis of Evil" reference or any other words that he has spoken. Right again...they only say that because they're jealous of him.

It is common to say that one's head is "stuck in the past," but on this accusation, I think people look at the present too closely.
Yeah. They should overlook what we've become and just focus on what we used to be.


So, the American-killers are out there, and have been out there long before any of this ever happened, and President Bush is trying to do something about them, before they do something about us.
And he's doing such a fine job at warmongering too. But, when do you think he might get back to work looking for those American-killers?

You know, there's not always an evil ulterior motive to EVERYTHING.
Your right. Sometimes evil motives are in plain sight for all the world to see.

As for Mandela Personal attack removed, I think he is a real, genuine fool, always has and always will be.
I'm sure he's losing sleep over the opinions of all the indignant Americans.

"Holocaust"...what a disrespectful manner in which to address this very real and serious problem. True, he should have called it by the current military term, Shock and Awe.

This punk racism-squealler needs to keep his nose out of business that has nothing to do with him.
Yeah. Who does he think he is anyway? He needs to respect our authority or Bush might have to do some whup *** NOTICE: THIS WORD IS AGAINST THE RULES. FAILURE TO REMOVE IT WILL RESULT IN A STRIKE. *** on him when he's done with Saddam...and the American Killers...and N. Korea...and Iran.