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South African anti-rape condom aims to stop attacks
While I see this as a thinking outside of the box way in trying to prevent rape. I find it hard to believe a female would want to wear this basically 24/7 or what ever period of time on a daily basis. The only positive thing about it I see is the device is then attached to the male and can only be surgically removed, meaning identification very easy.
Questions:
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it?
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"Nothing has ever been done to help a woman so that she does not get raped and I thought it was high time," Sonette Ehlers, 57, said of the "rapex", a device worn like a tampon that has sparked controversy in a country used to daily reports of violent crime.
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Ehlers said the "rapex" hooks onto the rapist's skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.
"He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage," she told reporters in Kleinmond, a small holiday village about 100km east of Cape Town. "I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital."
The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said
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Ehlers said the "rapex" hooks onto the rapist's skin, allowing the victim time to escape and helping to identify perpetrators.
"He will obviously be too pre-occupied at this stage," she told reporters in Kleinmond, a small holiday village about 100km east of Cape Town. "I promise you he is going to be too sore. He will go straight to hospital."
The device, made of latex and held firm by shafts of sharp barbs, can only be removed from the man through surgery which will alert hospital staff, and ultimately, the police, she said
While I see this as a thinking outside of the box way in trying to prevent rape. I find it hard to believe a female would want to wear this basically 24/7 or what ever period of time on a daily basis. The only positive thing about it I see is the device is then attached to the male and can only be surgically removed, meaning identification very easy.
Questions:
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it?
So now, a woman will have to go go to a hospital for a rape kit and get this device surgically removed from the fingers her attacker will force her to use to check for this device.
If we didn't know about this device, maybe it could help assuming it doesn't create an even more violent response. But if we know about it, the rapists will.
I think it will cause more harm than good.
If we didn't know about this device, maybe it could help assuming it doesn't create an even more violent response. But if we know about it, the rapists will.
I think it will cause more harm than good.
QUOTE(DaytonRocker @ Sep 3 2005, 10:24 AM)
So now, a woman will have to go go to a hospital for a rape kit and get this device surgically removed from the fingers her attacker will force her to use to check for this device.
If we didn't know about this device, maybe it could help assuming it doesn't create an even more violent response. But if we know about it, the rapists will.
I think it will cause more harm than good.
If we didn't know about this device, maybe it could help assuming it doesn't create an even more violent response. But if we know about it, the rapists will.
I think it will cause more harm than good.
It doesn't work that way. The woman can manually remove the device with her fingers by touching the exterior part rather than the interior part; it would be silly to design the thing such that once she put one in, she could never take it out. If a rapist forces her to reveal its presence, she can remove it without hurting herself.
Some rapists will think to check their victims first before proceeding. Others won't, however, and in their cases, the woman might be able to avoid being raped.
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
It was invented by a South African inventor, but this thing is not country-specific. If there is a demand for it in other countries, the market will probably supply it.
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
I don't know.
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it?
The argument that a would-be attacker might become enraged and hurt the victim more seriously has to be weighed and taken seriously, but the on the whole, I find it more probable that the opposite will usually be true. If a rapist has the woman held in confinement somewhere and has a weapon like a gun or a knife, I would think the woman would be smarter to reveal the existence of the rape condom and remove it lest she risk severe retaliation. But if the rape is the variety that occurs in a deserted place or at late hours, with an attacker who isn't armed with a gun but instead is using brute force, or is partially intoxicated, I think the shock of the rape condom "doing its job" would foil the rape and give the woman an opportunity window to escape. Some men will react with rage; many others will immediately lose interest in the assault and be more concerned about the severe problem they now find between their legs. And in a country where one out of nine people have HIV, avoiding being raped could very well save your life. As a result, I think it will do more good than harm.
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should
come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
No. I think we should apply capital punishment to the crime of rape.
In general, sexual crimes against women and children are not dealt
with in a serious enough way. A device such as the "rapex" would most
likely cause more problems that its worth, and it could easily end up
hurting the female whose trying to protect herself.
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
No. Harsher punishment for sexual crimes against women and children.
We need to adopt a zero tolerance policy with such crimes. I do
not know the exact situation in S. Africa, but I presume that punishment
for rape isn't harsh enough their, either. And, as per usual, the responsibility
for protection falls on the woman.
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to
further violence if a victim is wearing it?
Defintely. Rapists are violent. And any excuse will do, when it comes to
instigating more rage against a potential victim. Unfortunately, the solution
will not be found in such a device. Perhaps, metal chastity belts would have
a better chance.
come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
No. I think we should apply capital punishment to the crime of rape.
In general, sexual crimes against women and children are not dealt
with in a serious enough way. A device such as the "rapex" would most
likely cause more problems that its worth, and it could easily end up
hurting the female whose trying to protect herself.
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
No. Harsher punishment for sexual crimes against women and children.
We need to adopt a zero tolerance policy with such crimes. I do
not know the exact situation in S. Africa, but I presume that punishment
for rape isn't harsh enough their, either. And, as per usual, the responsibility
for protection falls on the woman.
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to
further violence if a victim is wearing it?
Defintely. Rapists are violent. And any excuse will do, when it comes to
instigating more rage against a potential victim. Unfortunately, the solution
will not be found in such a device. Perhaps, metal chastity belts would have
a better chance.
For what it's worth, this technology is VERY old. Women used to (rarely mind you, but the product existed) insert metal tubes which contained a sensitive trigger connected to spring mounted needle, which in some cases would actually contain a drug. Similarly, tubes existed which were merely lined with hooked barbs.
These sorts of things go back as recently as the 1920's in America, lest we write it off as the foils of medieval morality.
(I tried to find a good link, but nothing came up that I could link to on AD.)
These sorts of things go back as recently as the 1920's in America, lest we write it off as the foils of medieval morality.
(I tried to find a good link, but nothing came up that I could link to on AD.)
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should come up with a device like this to help prevent rape?
No, because my understanding of this produt is that it does not and cannot prevent rape - it's mechanism relies on rape taking place for it to engage itself. Supposedly this has a deterrent effect, but I would imagine that a crime of anger and violence (rape isn't really about sex) is only likely to get more angry and violent if the rapist gets a nasty surprise midway through. We might just see and increase in rape-murder victims.
Any man who's ever done that will testify that it's easily done, but is not [i]so[i/] painful that you couldn't concentrate on anything except the pain.
It might make it a little easier to prosecute rape, since it will cause some kind of physical damage to the rapist that can be used as evidence, making it less of a one-word-against-another offence, as is so often the case (unfortunately). However even that won't be foolproof - what's to stop a rapist saying he caught himself in his fly zip?
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
I don't think it is. Rape has been around since time immemorial. I don't believe that a single gadget will suddenly make it a thing of the past.
Indeed, I can't imagine very many things that would deter a determined rapist. I think male education (both in schools and in the home) would be one thing that could help.
And a functional and non-sexist criminal justice system where prosecutions were broguht to bear in the majority of rape complaints, and where defence teams did not resort to casting aspersions against the female witness along the lines of their character (the "she was asking for it" defence, for example).
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it?
It wouldn't be automatic, but I think it would be a big enough factor to outweigh any potential deterrent effect.
No, because my understanding of this produt is that it does not and cannot prevent rape - it's mechanism relies on rape taking place for it to engage itself. Supposedly this has a deterrent effect, but I would imagine that a crime of anger and violence (rape isn't really about sex) is only likely to get more angry and violent if the rapist gets a nasty surprise midway through. We might just see and increase in rape-murder victims.
Any man who's ever done that will testify that it's easily done, but is not [i]so[i/] painful that you couldn't concentrate on anything except the pain.
It might make it a little easier to prosecute rape, since it will cause some kind of physical damage to the rapist that can be used as evidence, making it less of a one-word-against-another offence, as is so often the case (unfortunately). However even that won't be foolproof - what's to stop a rapist saying he caught himself in his fly zip?
Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape?
I don't think it is. Rape has been around since time immemorial. I don't believe that a single gadget will suddenly make it a thing of the past.
Indeed, I can't imagine very many things that would deter a determined rapist. I think male education (both in schools and in the home) would be one thing that could help.
And a functional and non-sexist criminal justice system where prosecutions were broguht to bear in the majority of rape complaints, and where defence teams did not resort to casting aspersions against the female witness along the lines of their character (the "she was asking for it" defence, for example).
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it?
It wouldn't be automatic, but I think it would be a big enough factor to outweigh any potential deterrent effect.
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Sep 3 2005, 09:59 AM)
For what it's worth, this technology is VERY old. Women used to (rarely mind you, but the product existed) insert metal tubes which contained a sensitive trigger connected to spring mounted needle, which in some cases would actually contain a drug. Similarly, tubes existed which were merely lined with hooked barbs.
These sorts of things go back as recently as the 1920's in America, lest we write it off as the foils of medieval morality.
(I tried to find a good link, but nothing came up that I could link to on AD.)
These sorts of things go back as recently as the 1920's in America, lest we write it off as the foils of medieval morality.
(I tried to find a good link, but nothing came up that I could link to on AD.)
You are right. This concept isn’t new. I was able to find a list of American Patents for Chastity Devices, which includes anti-rape devices as well. 7 have been patented since 1977.
**As a side note, some of the earlier devices designed to prevent nocturnal emissions, erections, and masturbation are scary.
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Alston L Levesque, 1977: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
George N. Vogel 1977: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Dirk J. Coetzee 1979: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Charles Barlow 1979: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Joel D. Rumph 1980: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating needle to inject irritating fluid
Anna G.Pennystone 1985: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-gluing and irritating trap
Norma Brown 1998: Anti-rape vaginal insert with a wide range of armaments
George N. Vogel 1977: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Dirk J. Coetzee 1979: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Charles Barlow 1979: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating spike
Joel D. Rumph 1980: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-lacerating needle to inject irritating fluid
Anna G.Pennystone 1985: Anti-rape vaginal insert with penis-gluing and irritating trap
Norma Brown 1998: Anti-rape vaginal insert with a wide range of armaments
With South Africa possibly going down this road, do you think we should come up with a device like this to help prevent rape? Apparently, many of these devices have been patented. I see a lot of practical limitations to their use, though. A woman would have to wear this thing all of the time, wouldn't she?
I remember reading about a vile of skunk spray a woman might keep in her purse and douse herself with if she was in danger of being raped. That one didn't really catch on either. Do you think this device is the most effective way to prevent rape? No. The most effective method is some form of deterrence (gun, mace, pepper-spray, harsh punishment for offenses, education, ect).
As the article says at the end could this type of device lead the rapist to further violence if a victim is wearing it? I don't think so.
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen)
No. The most effective method is some form of deterrence.
I'm not sure of the legality of this though I certainly admire the idea.
My question is, wouldn't the perceived threat of these devices being widely distributed itself constitute a form of deterrence especially against rapes by strangers?
It seems to me a couple of publicized cases of rapist being carted off in ambulances might cause a few to think thrice.
The fact is, apply enough pain and the most determined of rapists will stop, it's a reflex action.
A little tweaking and this might actually work.
QUOTE(turnea @ Sep 4 2005, 08:17 AM)
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen)
No. The most effective method is some form of deterrence.
I'm not sure of the legality of this though I certainly admire the idea.
My question is, wouldn't the perceived threat of these devices being widely distributed itself constitute a form of deterrence especially against rapes by strangers?
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen)
The problem (IMO) is, these devices contain no threat if the rapist has knowledge of them. They can reach in and remove it themselves (or make the woman do so).
Possibly, that's why I suggested some tweaking, to make sure it's not visible to a rapist and wouldn't be activated before the.. optimum moment.
A woman would ideally never have to admit it's existence, just lie.
Secondly, I may be wrong but I don't suspect most rapist think these things through too clearly. There will always be the occasional idiot who doesn't even bother to check.
If the device can put the bite on them alone, I suspect it would be worth it.
In South Africa, rape is of course, out of control (like it is in control anywhere, maybe I should say "an epidemic)- and I would love to see a device like this work of course.
That being said, and working with rapists every day, I also know it would not work, as most rapists I have counselled (and the graphic details of these crimes leaves a black part in my soul, believe me, it is even worse after you have children, and a daughter, and think this could happen to her, so I will try to keep the emotion out of this)- usually "digitally exam" thier victims first- and most times, a rapist is not even, um, able to perform the act until some amount of violence is done to the victim- rape is a crime of control more than mere sex. Sex can be obtained easily and readily anywhere- if the crime were just about sex, we would see far more rape and far less prostitution IMO.
We have, as has been pointed out, these types of devices forever- but they simply don't work (which, of course, is too bad) - because, usually, the rapists will learn of this, and um, use another area instead of vaginal intercourse.
It is far better to get law enforcement to do thier job and make their areas safer.
Rape is a horrible crime, and I like the idea of the death penalty myself- but there is so much room for abuse here- a girl gives up some consensual sex, the guy doesn't call back, or gets her pregnant- and to cover herself, she cries rape and an innocent man dies. Remember the case of the guy that went to jail for umpteen years because the girl frameed him for this crime?
Tough call man- but the device won't work- unfortunately.
That being said, and working with rapists every day, I also know it would not work, as most rapists I have counselled (and the graphic details of these crimes leaves a black part in my soul, believe me, it is even worse after you have children, and a daughter, and think this could happen to her, so I will try to keep the emotion out of this)- usually "digitally exam" thier victims first- and most times, a rapist is not even, um, able to perform the act until some amount of violence is done to the victim- rape is a crime of control more than mere sex. Sex can be obtained easily and readily anywhere- if the crime were just about sex, we would see far more rape and far less prostitution IMO.
We have, as has been pointed out, these types of devices forever- but they simply don't work (which, of course, is too bad) - because, usually, the rapists will learn of this, and um, use another area instead of vaginal intercourse.
It is far better to get law enforcement to do thier job and make their areas safer.
Rape is a horrible crime, and I like the idea of the death penalty myself- but there is so much room for abuse here- a girl gives up some consensual sex, the guy doesn't call back, or gets her pregnant- and to cover herself, she cries rape and an innocent man dies. Remember the case of the guy that went to jail for umpteen years because the girl frameed him for this crime?
Tough call man- but the device won't work- unfortunately.
I would think that most rapes are spur of the moment things. The few serial types of rapists would probably check but I think most won't--they will be too overcome to be thinking rationally anyways. All over the world will be the springy sound of SNIK
and then the highest winiest shriek you'll ever hear.
Also most people never think it will happen tto them.
So I think it would be effective. Once the stories start about actual occurences it might actually help drop the number of rapes--hell we flinch when a guy gets kneed ina movie--this would terrify a lot of men.
But is something like that even comfortable for constant use--and aren't most rapes by people that the victim knows fairly well?
and then the highest winiest shriek you'll ever hear.
Also most people never think it will happen tto them.
So I think it would be effective. Once the stories start about actual occurences it might actually help drop the number of rapes--hell we flinch when a guy gets kneed ina movie--this would terrify a lot of men.
But is something like that even comfortable for constant use--and aren't most rapes by people that the victim knows fairly well?
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