QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Oct 6 2005, 10:23 AM)
First, I must answer this one:
QUOTE(English Horn @ Oct 6 2005, 10:42 AM)
In other words, we were OK with the Uzbek government when they allowed us to use their military base. However, the government became a "repressive dictatorship" once they asked us out.
That statement is 180 out from reality. Human rights violations were never "okay". We had (and for that matter still have) a legitimate national security need to work with Uzbekistan. Our military assistance to them has been monitored, and the funds accounted for or cut off as part of the agreement. IOW....Our continued operations with them was/is contingent on them cleaning up their act. The Andijan incident was a violation of that agreement. We were left with two choices: 1. Ease the pressure on the Uzbek government on human rights, or 2. Lose access to an important air base in Uzbekistan. We chose the latter.
Are alledged abuses of power and violence against its own citizens enough reasons for us to delay the payment to Uzbekistan? (I'd like to stress that this is not a financial aid of any sort; we owe them for allowing us to use their military bases).Yes. See above.
They may have never been "OK," but they were certainly downplayed when we "needed" them. Join me as we hop into the way-back-machine! Here's a thread I started almost two years ago:
Double Standards in the WOTIn it I quoted Monbiot, who had this to say:
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So, far from seeking to isolate his regime, the US government has tripled its aid to Islam Karimov. Last year, he received $500 million, of which $79 million went to the police and intelligence services, who are responsible for most of the torture.9 While the US claims that its engagement with Karimov will encourage him to respect human rights, like Saddam Hussein he recognises that the protection of the world's most powerful government permits him to do whatever he wants. Indeed, the US State Department now plays a major role in excusing his crimes. In May, for example, it announced that Uzbekistan had made "substantial and continuing progress" in improving its human rights record.10 The progress? "Average sentencing" for members of peaceful religious organisations is now just "7-12 years", while two years ago they were "usually sentenced to 12-19 years."11
There is little question that the power and longevity of Karimov's government has been enhanced by his special relationship with the United States. There is also little question that supporting him is a dangerous game. All the principal enemies of the US today were fostered by the US or its allies in the past: the Taliban in Afghanistan, the Wahhabi zealots in Saudi Arabia, Saddam Hussein and his people in Iraq. Dictators do not have friends, only sources of power. They will shift their allegiances as their requirement for power demands. The US supported Islamic extremists in Afghanistan in order to undermine the Soviet Union, and created a monster. Now it is supporting a Soviet-era leader to undermine Islamic extremists, and building up another one.
"Indeed, the US State Department now plays a major role in excusing his crimes. In May, for example, it announced that Uzbekistan had made "substantial and continuing progress" in improving its human rights record.10 The progress? "Average sentencing" for members of peaceful religious organisations is now just "7-12 years", while two years ago they were "usually sentenced to 12-19 years."I guess "substantial progress" was just propaganda we used to excuse this to the American people.
If this money is aid, I think it should be withheld. If it is a payment, it should be made.