Hi everyobody, just thought Socialists should have someplace to go too. Come here to dicuss our dreams of how a socialist country should work.

CP

I have many socialist leanings myself - and lived in a social democracy for eighteen years - so I may have a few things to contribute to the debate. First, though, I am intrigued by the question you raise with your signature. This is me asking. Explain?

Looks like you commies have about run out of ideas.

I'm am conservative in all ways, except the economy, I believe taht taxes from the rich should be circulated into the oher classes [i.e. the lowere class] this money will be re-embersed by the gov't. However, unlike welfare, this money given tp the lower class will only go on for a five year period every 20 years. Just enogh to get the lower class one their feet and into the middle class. Then, in another 20 years, a new group of lower class people will be helped by the taxes from the upper and middle classes again. It is half capitalism and half scoialism, only the money is not shared with the gov't it is shared with needy civilians. It's kind of a cycle socialism, if you will.

Oh, and also hugo, maybe you should look up what a socialist is, it is not, I repeat is not a communist. Communism is a very extreme type of socialism.

CP

Hugo... You turned socialist? You must have, because this is a thread intended for socialists...

Stefan... You turned socialist too? You must have.. oh wait, damn it, I'm Green Party today. I'll need to change my profile, then come back and post!

A cyclic free market/socialist. A cyclic communist/green partyist. What will there be next?


How will the money given by the rich be reimbursed by the government?

A portion of foreign trade, or unused gov't budget money will be used to remberse them.

CP

Really,Pat? Thanks for the education. To think I minored in Political science and never picked that up. Now please notice the devil face and realize I am not being serious.

Didn't know that, and I didn't know you were joking, I thought the devil was a sign of sarcasm or a little slight against us, my mistake.

CP

Joking aside, why do so many people seem to have trouble distinguishing between socialism and communism - I don't mean you, by the way Hugo.

I don't quite understand the difference between the two. I understand that Communism is an extreme form of Socialism, but how?

I think ConservPat wanted this be a Socialists only thread, but since he is no longer declaring himself a Socialist, I'm not sure what direction he wants for this thread. Pat?

Here's a link.




EDIT: Added second quote.

EDIT 2 (for Jaime) : WHAT? all of a sudden I am not a Socialist? (Somehow I have this Conservative stereotype like an anchor around my neck... )

Doesn't really make a difference to me, I just wanted to understand socialism better, all are welcomed.

CP

I would like to live in a democratic socialist nation, but i have to wait till i get out of the army to move. I dont think humans in the current state of mind can make a capitalist world or nation or club work in my opinion, so is there anything in particular you want to debate about it.

Having visited and travelled all the so called socialist countries, and married someone from the so called communist countries, I have learned the debate needs to be broken down into some sub sets. First off, the only true communism ever practise by ECONOMIC DEFINITION was the early christian church. It was never practised as an economic definition in Russia. There was no real change in the system at all from Czarist to the self described "communists" EXCEPT that the leaders had to be uglier (an actual russian joke) . My wife and mother-in-law were both lawyers in Russia, and I am here to tell you, there were no major legal changes in the federal law in Russia from the Czars to Gorbachev. So much for communism as the typical right winger know it! Property laws did not change, it was a fuedalistic society with a new set of buzz words, with no real communism at all. From control of the currency to collective farms, the poeple lived under the same system the whole time, except that women had more right from what I hear.

Socialist countries are usually though of as the European nations. However, how can so many companies be so successful in a capitalist world if they are socialist? From BF Goodrich to Totalfinaelf oil company, all french companies, these are enormously succesful capitalist companies operating under a so called socialist society.

Communism and socialism as economic definitions have never existed, except in the minds of right wingers looking to continue the status quo. The closest definition of our own goverment is NOT capitalism, as an economic model, but rather syndicism, a country run by big business interests, with 90% of the political decisions and our personal freedom taken away at the behest of big business.