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According to the BBC on 7/72004, The US revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
On 7/2/2004, the Associated Press Reporter Monika Scislowska, reported that Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.
Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw.
"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1018EDT0516.DTL
among others...
edited to add:
(CBS/AP) U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.
U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.
If this is the case, reported by credible international sources, the questions for debate are:
Why wasn't this all over CBS/National News?
Why isn't this a good basis for the war in Iraq?
Do these qualify as WMD's?
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
On 7/2/2004, the Associated Press Reporter Monika Scislowska, reported that Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.
Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw.
"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1018EDT0516.DTL
among others...
edited to add:
(CBS/AP) U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.
U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.
If this is the case, reported by credible international sources, the questions for debate are:
Why wasn't this all over CBS/National News?
Why isn't this a good basis for the war in Iraq?
Do these qualify as WMD's?
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
Moved to the Media thread
QUOTE(aevans176 @ Nov 9 2005, 06:30 PM)
According to the BBC on 7/72004, The US revealed that it removed more than 1.7 metric tons of radioactive material from Iraq in a secret operation last month. Along with 1.77 tons of enriched uranium, about 1,000 "highly radioactive sources" were also removed.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
On 7/2/2004, the Associated Press Reporter Monika Scislowska, reported that Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.
Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw.
"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1018EDT0516.DTL
among others...
edited to add:
(CBS/AP) U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.
U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.
If this is the case, reported by credible international sources, the questions for debate are:
Why wasn't this all over CBS/National News?
Why isn't this a good basis for the war in Iraq?
Do these qualify as WMD's?
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/middle_east/3872201.stm
On 7/2/2004, the Associated Press Reporter Monika Scislowska, reported that Terrorists may have been close to obtaining munitions containing the deadly nerve agent cyclosarin that Polish soldiers recovered last month in Iraq, the head of Poland's military intelligence said Friday.
Polish troops had been searching for munitions as part of their regular mission in south-central Iraq when they were told by an informant in May that terrorists had made a bid to buy the chemical weapons, which date back to Saddam Hussein's war with Iran in the 1980s, Gen. Marek Dukaczewski told reporters in Warsaw.
"We were mortified by the information that terrorists were looking for these warheads and offered $5,000 apiece," Dukaczewski said. "An attack with such weapons would be hard to imagine. All of our activity was accelerated at appropriating these warheads."
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...1018EDT0516.DTL
among others...
edited to add:
(CBS/AP) U.N. satellite imagery experts have determined that material that could be used to make biological or chemical weapons and banned long-range missiles has been removed from 109 sites in Iraq, U.N. weapons inspectors said in a report obtained Thursday.
U.N. inspectors have been blocked from returning to Iraq since the U.S.-led war in 2003 so they have been using satellite photos to see what happened to the sites that were subject to U.N. monitoring because their equipment had both civilian and military uses.
If this is the case, reported by credible international sources, the questions for debate are:
Why wasn't this all over CBS/National News?
Why isn't this a good basis for the war in Iraq?
Do these qualify as WMD's?
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I am glad to hear some positive news from Iraq. It is good to hear that the coalition forces are working really hard to make sure none of Sadam's chemicals or radioactive materials can fall into the wrong hands.
I am only amazed by the fact Iraq is still a no-go area for U.N. inspectors. Cooperation between the Coalitionforces and these specialized investigators will surely speed up the whole process, making the world a lot safer. When will the U.S. and the U.N. stop fighting eachother and work together to improve things.
Why wasn't this all over CBS/National News?
I have no idea, but I must admit I also never saw it on the Dutch news. The positive things of the war are unfortunately too often neglected.
Why isn't this a good basis for the war in Iraq?
Because it is too weak to stand on its own to justify a war. Although one can argue that these resources could have been used to make WMD, it is not illegal to have certain amounts of certain chemicals or radioactive material in a country for peaceful or scientific purposes.
What the Americans and the Polish are doing now is to make sure these resources don't fall into the hands of terrorists, by transporting them out of the country. This is a smart decission.
Do these qualify as WMD's?
No, they are key ingredients for making a WMD, but that doesn't make them WMD themselves.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I don't hope so, otherwise there will be plenty of wars to come.
QUOTE(Renger @ Nov 9 2005, 03:25 PM)
Do these qualify as WMD's?
No, they are key ingredients for making a WMD, but that doesn't make them WMD themselves.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I don't hope so, otherwise there will be plenty of wars to come.
No, they are key ingredients for making a WMD, but that doesn't make them WMD themselves.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I don't hope so, otherwise there will be plenty of wars to come.
Ahh...but here in lies a good question. If a country posseses enriched uranium, but does not have a nuclear power facility, what else would they use it for?
The reality is that most Westerners are petrified of nuclear capabilities in the hands of rogue nations (ie. Korea). If Iraq had long-range missles (which they do) and enriched uranium, what else did they plan to do with it?
The point still stands... I find it interesting that these facts have to come out from a third-party source when it must be readily available information to the associated press.
There are also reports of gas worse than sarin, and large caches of chemicals used only in the manufacturing of chemical weapons... hmmm....
QUOTE(aevans176 @ Nov 9 2005, 09:45 PM)
QUOTE(Renger @ Nov 9 2005, 03:25 PM)
Do these qualify as WMD's?
No, they are key ingredients for making a WMD, but that doesn't make them WMD themselves.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I don't hope so, otherwise there will be plenty of wars to come.
No, they are key ingredients for making a WMD, but that doesn't make them WMD themselves.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
I don't hope so, otherwise there will be plenty of wars to come.
Ahh...but here in lies a good question. If a country posseses enriched uranium, but does not have a nuclear power facility, what else would they use it for?
The reality is that most Westerners are petrified of nuclear capabilities in the hands of rogue nations (ie. Korea). If Iraq had long-range missles (which they do) and enriched uranium, what else did they plan to do with it?
The point still stands... I find it interesting that these facts have to come out from a third-party source when it must be readily available information to the associated press.
There are also reports of gas worse than sarin, and large caches of chemicals used only in the manufacturing of chemical weapons... hmmm....
I do not understand what you are trying to say. These findings do not strengthen the argument that Iraq possessed WMD. That argument to justify the war is officially burried. The fact that you hear so little about this on the news only confirms this. Don't you think GWB wouldn't be the first person to point to these findings if they would proove the fact Sadam had WMD's and justify this war?
QUOTE(Renger @ Nov 9 2005, 03:23 PM)
I do not understand what you are trying to say. These findings do not strengthen the argument that Iraq possessed WMD. That argument to justify the war is officially burried. The fact that you hear so little about this on the news only confirms this. Don't you think GWB wouldn't be the first person to point to these findings if they would proove the fact Sadam had WMD's and justify this war?
Very well put. excellent point.
Would these findings, in the hands of avg Americans, be sufficient evidence for the need for war?
Is this just a restatement of the yellow cake that was under control of the inspectors that was virtually useless in the first place? as the reference also states "The 1,000 "sources" evacuated in the Iraqi operation included a "huge range" of radioactive items used for medical purposes and industrial purposes, a spokesman for the Energy Department's National Nuclear Security Administration told AP news agency. " so that old dental xray machine qualifies, I can see this bomb. Again the yellow cake was declared and under the inspection of the UN. And when did they get that yellow cake was it also under Reagan?
Seems the Washington Post was on top of it way before your ref. But again old news, the UN had been monitoring this material. Material that they did not have the ability to make into a weapon.
http://www.commondreams.org/headlines03/0520-05.htm
Published on Tuesday, May 20, 2003 by the Washington Post
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The head of the International Atomic Energy Agency warned the United States for the third time yesterday of the danger of radioactive contamination in Iraq because of looting at nuclear sites and called on the Bush administration to allow his safety and emergency response teams to enter the country.
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In December 2001, Chalabi produced a defector who said he was a civil engineer and had worked on renovations of illegal laboratories, facilities and storage sites where Iraq was hiding biological, chemical and nuclear weapons. While senior Bush administration officials later said the CIA did not trust this defector's information, he was extensively debriefed by the Defense Intelligence Agency, an arm of the Pentagon.
Apparently no sites this defector identified have been productive, since U.S. teams have yet to uncover chemical or biological weapons or their precursor components.
Apparently no sites this defector identified have been productive, since U.S. teams have yet to uncover chemical or biological weapons or their precursor components.
As far as the chemical weapons, are these again the remains from the Reagan administration supporting Sadam against the Iranians. When Ronny was helping Saddam with weapons of mass distructions including helping develop dual use manufacturing facilities? BTW did Reagan- the rightys, do anything, say anything when Saddam was using WMD on his enemies back then.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/americas/3051709.stm
http://www.time.com/time/columnist/karon/a...,463779,00.html
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