Full Version: Soldier shot in California
Simple question. For the past couple of days I've been curious to see if anyone would start a thread on this topic. Since no one has, and I haven't seen much about it in the mainstream media, I wish to know if it made headline news or CNN? Here is the story.
Essentially what happened a few days ago is, a military policeman on leave was a passenger in a corvet stopped for speeding. The driver led the policeman on a short chase. The deputy who stopped them made them both kneel on the ground, and had a brief discussion in which the military man (the passenger) explained that he was on leave and had just gotten back from Iraq. THe deputy told him to rise, the (unarmed) military man rose, and the deputy shot him three times. THis was all caught on video tape and is under investigation by the FBI. The deputy who shot him is on paid leave.
I placed this in casual conversation because I really don't know how much media exposure this story has received. I don't watch television, or subscribe to any paper, so I might be out of line but I haven't heard much at all about this story. Has this made headline news? If so, great. If not why not? And furthermore, does anyone think this might qualify as a hate crime? Is this a shade of things to come? Did things like this happen during the Vietnam war?
Edited to add: Here is another link to this story.
Essentially what happened a few days ago is, a military policeman on leave was a passenger in a corvet stopped for speeding. The driver led the policeman on a short chase. The deputy who stopped them made them both kneel on the ground, and had a brief discussion in which the military man (the passenger) explained that he was on leave and had just gotten back from Iraq. THe deputy told him to rise, the (unarmed) military man rose, and the deputy shot him three times. THis was all caught on video tape and is under investigation by the FBI. The deputy who shot him is on paid leave.
I placed this in casual conversation because I really don't know how much media exposure this story has received. I don't watch television, or subscribe to any paper, so I might be out of line but I haven't heard much at all about this story. Has this made headline news? If so, great. If not why not? And furthermore, does anyone think this might qualify as a hate crime? Is this a shade of things to come? Did things like this happen during the Vietnam war?
Edited to add: Here is another link to this story.
This story has been all over the boards I frequent- car and motorcycle mostly.
It is one of the #1 stories there- some of the boards have thousands of ACTIVE members- I saw a blurb on the news on it up here while channel surfing for something for the kids to watch as well.
Seems a pretty clear case of the arresting officer being very, very wrong.
It was overshadowed in the news here though with a guy that stole a truck, a really big truck, and killed a father of three locally.
Case of the local news being worse than the lower 48 stuff IMHO as far as converage.
It is one of the #1 stories there- some of the boards have thousands of ACTIVE members- I saw a blurb on the news on it up here while channel surfing for something for the kids to watch as well.
Seems a pretty clear case of the arresting officer being very, very wrong.
It was overshadowed in the news here though with a guy that stole a truck, a really big truck, and killed a father of three locally.
Case of the local news being worse than the lower 48 stuff IMHO as far as converage.
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Has this made headline news? If so, great. If not why not? And furthermore, does anyone think this might qualify as a hate crime? Is this a shade of things to come? Did things like this happen during the Vietnam war?
Dunno Mrs P, cops shoot people all the time. Sometimes they deserve it, sometimes the cop just wigs out.
I haven't heard WHY the cop shot the guy.
There is some hard-to-hear conversation back and forth, but Carrion appears to be trying to reassure the officer, telling him he is unarmed and in the military. He repeatedly says, "I'm on your side" and adds "we mean you no harm."
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At one point, a voice is heard saying several times, "Get up."
Carrion says, "I'm gonna get up." As he rises, the deputy fires at least four shots from close range, and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.
"Shots fired! Shots fired!" someone shouts.
Witness Joanne Scholten said she saw the deputy yelling obscenities at the airman and ordering him to get out of the car. Shots rang out after he told the man to get up, she said.
"It seemed he lost his cool," Scholten said of the deputy. "We were confused about why (he) did that."
Carrion says, "I'm gonna get up." As he rises, the deputy fires at least four shots from close range, and Carrion collapses, crying out in pain.
"Shots fired! Shots fired!" someone shouts.
Witness Joanne Scholten said she saw the deputy yelling obscenities at the airman and ordering him to get out of the car. Shots rang out after he told the man to get up, she said.
"It seemed he lost his cool," Scholten said of the deputy. "We were confused about why (he) did that."
Its too early with whats available to know if its true the officer actually told the guy to get up and then shot him when he did. If this turns out to be true then i would assume this was the cops way of justifying the shooting--"He was coming right at me"
But again its too early.
I have not seen this story before now.
I am usually one to give the police the benefit of the doubt. However, I have seen it reported that the man was shot in the back after being kicked when he was on the ground.
The San Bernadino sheriff's department has a history of some strange goings on. This deputy was the only one on the scene and certainly did not think he was being video taped. I have also heard that the man who shot the video has been stopped by deputies three times since the video was shot.
I don't know how anyone can defend this behavior. I think the deputy needs to be brought up on potential attempted homocide charges unless there is some evidence I have missed...
I am usually one to give the police the benefit of the doubt. However, I have seen it reported that the man was shot in the back after being kicked when he was on the ground.
The San Bernadino sheriff's department has a history of some strange goings on. This deputy was the only one on the scene and certainly did not think he was being video taped. I have also heard that the man who shot the video has been stopped by deputies three times since the video was shot.
I don't know how anyone can defend this behavior. I think the deputy needs to be brought up on potential attempted homocide charges unless there is some evidence I have missed...
http://www.unknownnews.org/0602070203stinky.html
Here's a link with oodles of examples of US cops on the illegal rampage. It's sickening to think these jerks were supposed to be protecting families and such. Sick.
Here's a link with oodles of examples of US cops on the illegal rampage. It's sickening to think these jerks were supposed to be protecting families and such. Sick.
Mrs. P I saw it reported on Countdown w/ Keith Olbermann...maybe , and I am guessing..Friday?
They just had a section on it on MSNBC today, with interviews with his wife, and including showing the video. It doesn't look good, at all. Apparently, after the shooting, the officer kicked him in the head, handcuffed him, and drug him over the ground.
Yea , it is a sad incident, but here is a bunch of links relating to the article
http://www.nbc4.tv/news/6604502/detail.html?subid=10101581
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11119004/
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1568908/posts
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3864189
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...10327/1002/NEWS
http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/newslocal/...ticleId=1253959
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3466363
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:6MzDB...s&ct=clnk&cd=13
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/01/police.shooting/
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http://www.nbc4.tv/news/6604502/detail.html?subid=10101581
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/11119004/
http://209.157.64.200/focus/f-news/1568908/posts
http://abclocal.go.com/kabc/story?section=local&id=3864189
http://www.shreveporttimes.com/apps/pbcs.d...10327/1002/NEWS
http://orangecounty.cox.net/cci/newslocal/...ticleId=1253959
http://www.dailybulletin.com/news/ci_3466363
http://64.233.179.104/search?q=cache:6MzDB...s&ct=clnk&cd=13
http://www.cnn.com/2006/US/02/01/police.shooting/
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