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Amlord
As most people have heard, a man was arrested in Bangkok for the murder of JonBenet Ramsey. Suspect calls JonBenet’s death ‘an accident’


I ordinarily don't get much into tabloid stories, but I was reading some details about this case and it occurs to me that this John Mark Karr is probably lying.

According to this story:
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Karr confessed to the killing after his arrest Wednesday at his downtown Bangkok guesthouse by Thai and American authorities, said Lt. Gen. Suwat Tumrongsiskul, head of Thailand’s immigration police.

He said Karr insisted his crime was not first-degree murder but that JonBenet died during a kidnapping attempt that went awry.

“He said it was second-degree murder. He said it was unintentional,” Suwat said. He said Karr told Thai interrogators that he picked JonBenet up at her school and brought her to the family’s basement.


This caught my eye. JonBenet was killed on Christmas night in her home. Her parents saw her at 10PM, when they went to bed. This guy says he picked her up from school? On Christmas Day?

This case has been gone over by many internet sites, many books, and of course tabloid TV (read: cable news shows). The details of the crime, the autopsy, the ransom note and many other details are in the public domain. I hope they have a DNA match on this guy, because based on this statement, he didn't do it.

Question for debate:

Did John Mark Karr murder JonBenet Ramsey?

If not, who did?



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deathalive
Well after reading his story, it seems highly unlikely that he could have killed her. I mean there is no school on christmas day and like Amlord said, if her parents saw her, how could he have even gotten a hold of her? hmmm.gif

The second question asks for too much speculation. There just isnt enough conclusive evidence to support any one theory.
Mrs. Pigpen
There really aren't enough facts to go by at this point. Very little information regarding Karr or his testimony to the police has been released. My gut reaction though, is that he is a very disturbed man, likely a sexual offender, who didn't commit this crime. He has probably had a longstanding obsession for the dead girl.

In addition to claiming to pick her up from school on Christmas day, he claims that he drugged her and had sex with her before killing her accidentally. Yet there was no evidence of drug use in her blood.

From Jonbenet Ramsey's DA
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But she suggested that the arrest may have been forced by other circumstances, including the need for public safety and fear the suspect might flee.

She refused to answer whether authorities were worried Karr was lying about killing the little girl. Lacy said Karr has not been formally charged, and declined to speculate what counts he might face.
Amlord
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Aug 17 2006, 12:55 PM) *

In addition to claiming to pick her up from school on Christmas day, he claims that he drugged her and had sex with her before killing her accidentally. Yet there was no evidence of drug use in her blood.


Not to mention that she was certainly not killed "accidentally" (as anyone who has seen the autopsy photos could tell you) and there is no evidence that she was sexually assaulted (at least not by human anatomy sour.gif ) and two of the guy's relatives say that he wasn't even in Colorado on Christmas 1996.

I hope this DA has some evidence beyond that which we have available to us. I don't think she has DNA evidence, since they haven't indicted the guy and went to great lengths to say he had the presumption of innocence (as did John Ramsey, she said).

This is just weird. I don't see any evidence (thus far) that this guy was in the state of Colorado, let alone that he did it.
Hobbes
I was thinking the same things. In addition to no sign of drugs, there was no sign of sexual intercourse, either. There are also the people claiming he was in a completely different state at the time. Christmas. Seems like something people would remember. Doesn't seem like he has any connection to the Ramsey's..so how did he know about the bonus in the ransom note, and how did he get in the house? Why are there no tracks outside the house? Lots of unanswered questions here. The proof will be in the DNA found on JonBenet..if it matches, he's guilty, if it doesn't, then I think we have a kook making a confession.
Amlord
Maybe the DA is basing her theory on this sketch by a psychic.

That does look eerily like this Karr guy. As far as I know, that's not evidence however. zipped.gif
doomed_planet
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Aug 17 2006, 09:55 AM) *

There really aren't enough facts to go by at this point. Very little information regarding Karr or his
testimony to the police has been released. My gut reaction though, is that he is a very disturbed man,
likely a sexual offender, who didn't commit this crime. He has probably had a longstanding obsession
for the dead girl.


I got the same feeling about the man, Karr. He was residing in a place (Bangkok) that is a haven
for pedophiles. He looks physically ill, based on the photos I've seen of him. And mentally challenged
as well. People sometimes confess to the most heinous crimes of which they had no involvement.
From a blurb I read on-line, his ex-wife allegedly claimed he couldn't have done it because he was with
her at the time.

It's really hard to know what the real truth might be because the media tends to drastically distort
the facts in a way that can lead one down a totally false path.

However, in all of the interviews that I've seen of the parents, they just didn't come across as being
forthcoming. I would be vary curious to know what John Walsh thinks of this. He's dealt extensively
with this type of subject matter and I do trust his opinion when it comes to crimes of this nature.

Last night on Fox News (I'm ashamed to admit I was viewing that Unfair and Biased Network) Bill
O'Reilly was talking with Greta VanSustern and it was the most unprofessional exchange I've yet witnessed.
He was saying that "his gut" tells him it's the parents, and she was saying that "she's a good judge of
these things" and she got the vibe that the parents were innocent. I mean, come on!! laugh.gif You cannot
convict someone based on your gut feeling. I just thought that was highly inappropriate.

Anyway, I doubt this case will ever be truly solved. It is my "gut feeling" that the late Mrs. Ramsey knew
much more than she ever revealed publicly. But she is dead and gone and I think this case should be
buried along with her. Whoever is the guilty party will be held accountable in some way, somewhere.
That's the beauty of karma. ohmy.gif

skeeterses
Did John Mark Karr murder JonBenet Ramsey?
As the other posters said, we can only know after the DNA tests get completed. Nonetheless, if he's innocent, then he should be brought to Court for making false statements to Police. This man John Karr is a menace and should be given mental help and be kept under supervision.
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