QUOTE(Amlord @ Aug 25 2006, 05:05 PM)

Except there's no way to know that Plan A has failed since you need to follow up with Plan B within 3 days. Most times a woman doesn't know plan A has failed until after they've missed their period and taken a pregnancy test.
Well, no actually. I have had a lot of girlfriends in my day, and eventually everyone deals with a broken condom, or another situation when something like 'Plan B' would be useful. I have had girlfriends take a 'morning after pill' twice that I know of... It happens. It happens among responsible people. Period.
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I think you are giving more credit to woman and to the effectiveness of this pill than is warranted. This will absolutely be used as a birth control measure and not as a Plan B, but as Plan A.
It will absolutely will it? You know
absolutely that it will? Because in most of the rest of the modern world, where it is legal, it is generally not used this way. Keep in mind that the morning after pill, even in its new 'fewer side effect' forms, is not super pleasant. It essentially causes you to have an unsheduled, very heavy period. Given the plethora of birthcontrol options available out there that do not have such side effects, it is baffling to assume that this would somehow become the preferred method of choice.
I am even further skeptical of this argument because it is the same argument the religious right has trotted out EVERY time a new birth control method becomes available in the last few decades: "Oh, if this becomes legal it will make all women cave in to their secret hidden desire to become promiscuous sluts."
This argument is not only insulting and illogical, but also irrelevant. There are SO MANY birth control options available right now: condoms, the pill, diaphram, spermacide, IUD, Norplant, female condom, even surgury. If women want to have premarital sex (or marital sex where they don't want to get pregnant) they will, period end of story. So WHAT if this gives them another option? It also gives them a way to avoid unwanted pregnancy and potentially crippling two lives.
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My argument is that if a 200% dose of birth control is safe and is now OTC, why not half the dose? Certainly regular birth control has a track record that warrants OTC status if this use of the same drug does.
Come on Amlord, I know you are smarter than that. There are no serious side effects of taking a one-off double dose of birth control. That is not to say there are no side effects at all, but they fall within the realm of what is reasonable for over the counter pills. I notice you did not answer buckets question: do you presume that the FDA is lying to the american people when they state the above fact?
But even your question does not make any sense. "If a double dose is safe, why isn't a single dose safe?" Because birth control isn't a single dose, it is a
25 times dose, taken every day, month in month out, sometimes for years. Such a consistent chemical control of the body's processes can have long term side effects, and requires a perscription. For example, it is well documented and proven that long term use of BCP can lead to complications for people suffering from clinical depression. Long term use can also seriously affect women with diabeties or gallstones , and can lead to increases in blood clots, as well as half a dozen other issues, ALL of which arise from constant day to day use of BCP over a period of months, and NONE of which arise from a one-off 2-day equivalent dose of a morning after pill.
This is common sense 101 here Amlord.
QUOTE(bucket @ Aug 25 2006, 11:13 AM)

Bucket, I feel your anger at my male opinion. But reality is different than what you present it to be. Unwanted pregnancies occur mainly in young people who are irresponsible. This will add to their irresponsibility.
The first part of your sentence is true, a majority of unwanted pregnancies do occur among the young, but the reason is not so simple as 'they are irresoponsible'. In some cases it is. In others it is because they have not been educated about contraception and/or have no access to it.
The last part of your assertion, that yet ANOTHER form of birth control will lead to MORE and riskier sex is simply a wild assertion.
Why has most of the rest of the first world not had a problem with the morning after pill? Why has Canada, which has had non-perscription access to Plan B for three years, not been swamped by a wave of those immoral stupid teens getting pregnant? Why is it that the states with the highest rate of teen prgnancy are the ones with the more restrictive, conservative laws regarding the whole issue, which those states with the more liberal laws have the lowest rates?
This constant assertion that birth control causes pregnancy has been debunked a dozen times over. Women have a plethora of legal options when it comes to birth control, isn't the argument that yet ANOTHER option will be the one that pushes them all into promiscuity just a bit insane?
The FDA declared 'Plan B' to be safe. That is their job, to declare drugs safe or unsafe. Unless you can point to an error or deliberate falsification in their multi-year studies, then there is no debate on that issue.