Full Version: Israeli Bombings, Killing Women And Children
Shells smashings into people´s houses in the middle of the night, when everyone is sleeping, most casualties being children and their mothers.
No linking needed here, everyone knows what this is about, so therefore I ask, with the efforts being put into the Iraqi conflict in mind, trying to prevent civil war and such,
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1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
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2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
No linking needed here, everyone knows what this is about, so therefore I ask, with the efforts being put into the Iraqi conflict in mind, trying to prevent civil war and such,
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1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
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2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
Because the moderates and liberals of the issue are buried under the conservatives of the issue.
2. And why are we seing corresponding mini-conflicts for example Europe (i.e. riots in France)?
I don’t think I know enough to speak really on it.
Is this confict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
See under debate question number 1.
Because the moderates and liberals of the issue are buried under the conservatives of the issue.
2. And why are we seing corresponding mini-conflicts for example Europe (i.e. riots in France)?
I don’t think I know enough to speak really on it.
Is this confict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
See under debate question number 1.
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1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
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Because it does't affect us. It's only on the TV, like Survivor and American Idol. I don't know anybody who has been personally hurt. Remember Rwanda? More people died in one year than in the whole Israel/Palistine crisis. So why is that not talked about on here as much as Israel/Palestine? I guess because it touches us even less, and is on TV almost never.
2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
Didn't understand the "corresponding" word. Do you think troubles in Europe are ignited by the Israel/Palestine conflict? I disagree. Why are we seeing it? Because of fear, maybe? You see. That one scares me. It's on TV all the time, and maybe "they" are about to get me.
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
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I think that Israel has massive problems with its neighbors (mostly Palestine). It is terrible what is happening there, but if you zoom out and look at the World, you will see worse things happening elsewhere (Sudan?). But the Middle East gets the TV spots. Places like Rwanda. They may get a movie and a Presidential apology after the tragedy.
1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
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Because it does't affect us. It's only on the TV, like Survivor and American Idol. I don't know anybody who has been personally hurt. Remember Rwanda? More people died in one year than in the whole Israel/Palistine crisis. So why is that not talked about on here as much as Israel/Palestine? I guess because it touches us even less, and is on TV almost never.
2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
Didn't understand the "corresponding" word. Do you think troubles in Europe are ignited by the Israel/Palestine conflict? I disagree. Why are we seeing it? Because of fear, maybe? You see. That one scares me. It's on TV all the time, and maybe "they" are about to get me.
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
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I think that Israel has massive problems with its neighbors (mostly Palestine). It is terrible what is happening there, but if you zoom out and look at the World, you will see worse things happening elsewhere (Sudan?). But the Middle East gets the TV spots. Places like Rwanda. They may get a movie and a Presidential apology after the tragedy.
. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
The “world” has left it to the US. Its no secret that the Arabs hate us primarily because of our (as they say) “unconditional support” for Israel. IMO the rest of Europe and much of the world wants no part of it. And so we are left with a conflict that has seen little movement by either side and a radical Islamic movement that uses it to enlist terrorists.
[b]2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
Because these countries are not nearly as “free” as the US and the Arab populations are being fired up by the islamo-faciests
[b]3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
Yes. Israel is the touchtone and the islamo-faciests see this as a way to inspire their young into direct conflict with the west. They hate us for our values, religion, and support for Israel.
The “world” has left it to the US. Its no secret that the Arabs hate us primarily because of our (as they say) “unconditional support” for Israel. IMO the rest of Europe and much of the world wants no part of it. And so we are left with a conflict that has seen little movement by either side and a radical Islamic movement that uses it to enlist terrorists.
[b]2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
Because these countries are not nearly as “free” as the US and the Arab populations are being fired up by the islamo-faciests
[b]3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
Yes. Israel is the touchtone and the islamo-faciests see this as a way to inspire their young into direct conflict with the west. They hate us for our values, religion, and support for Israel.
QUOTE(A worried Dane @ Nov 9 2006, 10:51 PM) 
Shells smashings into people´s houses in the middle of the night, when everyone is sleeping, most casualties being children and their mothers.
No linking needed here, everyone knows what this is about, so therefore I ask, with the efforts being put into the Iraqi conflict in mind, trying to prevent civil war and such,
1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
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This idea is seriously flawed...
The isreal ?palestinian issue is merely an excuse to attack western civilization and a rallying point for muslim extremeists... were it anything else the roadmap would have been accepted and the palestinians would have their own country.
2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
what does france (a very anti-isreal leaning country ) have to do with the isreal palestinian issue?
othing the riots in france were because of numerous things but one major part was frances banning of all religious garb in schools which includes the muslim abai (headcovering for women)
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
The aggressor sets the rules of the conflict, whether you accept this or not our enemies have made this a religous war. isreal and western society are just the excuse.
they will not stop as they themselves have said until the whole world is under sharia law.
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Shells smashings into people´s houses in the middle of the night, when everyone is sleeping, most casualties being children and their mothers.
No linking needed here, everyone knows what this is about, so therefore I ask, with the efforts being put into the Iraqi conflict in mind, trying to prevent civil war and such,
No linking needed here, everyone knows what this is about, so therefore I ask, with the efforts being put into the Iraqi conflict in mind, trying to prevent civil war and such,
Have been listening to any of the news? Israel has been observing a cease-fire (which incidently the Palestinians are not). The only shooting that is going on is by the Palestinians fortunately mainly at each other.
1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
I think one of the major problems is the world community is making too much of an effort and all of it is directed at Israel instead of the aggressors. The more the world community sticks it's collective noses into the affair the more embolden the Palestinians become and raise their demands.
Second is the fact the countries like Denmark are a major problem. They vote in lock-step with the Arab League. If fact both Israel and the Arab League see the UN and the EU as an extension of the Arab League. Neither has ever voted to condemn a single act of violence by the Arabs against Israel. I can count on one hand the number of times Denmark has voted against an Arab League sponsored resolution and have all five fingers left over. After an Arab attack and UN vote to condemn Israel for the attack and anything they do to stop the terrorists the very best Israel can hope for from countries like Denmark is an abstention, pretty sad when everybody knows the result before hand. Maybe just maybe if your country broke the pattern and voted against these one-sided resolutions the Arabs might wake-up to the fact that is no longer open-season for shooting Israelis.
Third stop funding terrorism. The EU has not ended funding to Palestinian terrorism, but in fact it is now 20% higher than before Hamas came into power.
This issue would have ended a long time ago if the world community had not kept treating the Palestinians as no other minority group has ever been treated. Where the UN and the world community stayed away from like India and Pakistan, Germany and Poland, etc. The refugees were settled and started living. Today there is not a single person that is described as a refugee from those conflicts, but to this date not a single Palestinian is not considered a refugee even if they are living where they were born, their parents where born and even their grand-parents.
2. And why are we seeing corresponding mini-conflicts for example in Europe (i.e. the riots in France)?
The Arabs have seen that the West tolerates their violence and caves in whenever they commit violent acts, so why change? They know sooner or later the EU will turn on France and force them to accept the terrorists demands, just like in Israel. The West has taught them well - violence works, intransigence works, intolerance works.
3.Is this conflict an expression of a wider worldwide conflict, in which Israel just happens to have the Uriahspost?
Yes the Arabs have an expression - First the Saturday people, then the Sunday people. It does not matter how realistic this plan is, they are attempting to complete it and the sooner the West realises that they are serious the more likely that they will fail.
I will leave with a quote attributed to Albert Einstein
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Insanity: doing the same thing over and over again and expecting different results.
The world community has supported the Palestinians without an exception for the past 58 years, maybe it's time to try something new.
I came across this link, and I am not sure but I think its a Jewish group, cant be sure of course. The link has all kinds of information in it on the conflict, I was actually surprised to read some of it, here is an excerpt from one of the links.
"Israel has established in the Occupied Territories a separation cum discrimination regime, in which it maintains two systems of laws, and a person’s rights are based on his or her national origin. This regime is the only one of its kind in the world, and brings to mind dark regimes of the past, such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa.
As part of the regime, Israel has stolen thousands of dunams of land from the Palestinians, on which it established dozens of settlements in which hundreds of thousands of Israeli civilians now live. Israel forbids Palestinian to enter and use these lands, and use the settlements to justify numerous violations of Palestinian rights, such as the right to housing, to gain a living, and freedom of movement. The sharp change changes Israel made to the map of the West Bank makes a viable Palestinian state impossible as part of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination."
The link
Here is something I got from studying on the group, or just another link they made, I seriously have trouble believing this is real though.
Just a link from the group
"Israel has established in the Occupied Territories a separation cum discrimination regime, in which it maintains two systems of laws, and a person’s rights are based on his or her national origin. This regime is the only one of its kind in the world, and brings to mind dark regimes of the past, such as the Apartheid regime in South Africa.
As part of the regime, Israel has stolen thousands of dunams of land from the Palestinians, on which it established dozens of settlements in which hundreds of thousands of Israeli civilians now live. Israel forbids Palestinian to enter and use these lands, and use the settlements to justify numerous violations of Palestinian rights, such as the right to housing, to gain a living, and freedom of movement. The sharp change changes Israel made to the map of the West Bank makes a viable Palestinian state impossible as part of the right of the Palestinian people to self-determination."
The link
Here is something I got from studying on the group, or just another link they made, I seriously have trouble believing this is real though.
Just a link from the group
1. why is the world community not making a greater effort to stop this conflict (Israel/Palaestina), which so obviously constantly in turn is creating new conflicts in other parts of the world?
You may very well have answered your own question here. Frederic Bastiat observed a couple of centuries ago that governments have a knack for, as he put it, creating the poison and the antidote in the same laboratory. I guess it makes them feel more relevant. In the recent Israel/Hizballah conflict, a rational world community would not have got in Israel's way as it defeated that terrorist organization whose existence as a military force has been nothing whatsoever but a source of death, destruction, and misery for years. Instead, they arranged a ceasefire which only let the problem continue to fester. And then Hizballah and its backers in Iran claimed victory, and used it to advance their mythology that they are on the advance while the West is on the retreat. And that just encourages more Islamic violence.
Others here have dealt quite ably with the other two questions, and there's not much I can add to them.
You may very well have answered your own question here. Frederic Bastiat observed a couple of centuries ago that governments have a knack for, as he put it, creating the poison and the antidote in the same laboratory. I guess it makes them feel more relevant. In the recent Israel/Hizballah conflict, a rational world community would not have got in Israel's way as it defeated that terrorist organization whose existence as a military force has been nothing whatsoever but a source of death, destruction, and misery for years. Instead, they arranged a ceasefire which only let the problem continue to fester. And then Hizballah and its backers in Iran claimed victory, and used it to advance their mythology that they are on the advance while the West is on the retreat. And that just encourages more Islamic violence.
Others here have dealt quite ably with the other two questions, and there's not much I can add to them.
The title of this thread is so loaded it's really difficult to take this seriously. I imagine there may be language issues involved in the translation of this query but even still.
To attempt to answer the questions:
1 I think "the world" is doing about as much as it can without outright smacking one of these two in the forehead and screaming, "Cut it out!"
2 The mini conflicts are not remotely similar. They have no bearing on the I/P conflict. Even if they claim they do.
3 Again, the rise of radical Islam and the I/P Conflict are not really related. If the radical Islamists were really very concerned with Palestine they'd band together and force a concerted effort to push the Jews "into the sea". In some ways, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems to be calling for this n\but he doesn't seem to be getting and real traction.
To attempt to answer the questions:
1 I think "the world" is doing about as much as it can without outright smacking one of these two in the forehead and screaming, "Cut it out!"
2 The mini conflicts are not remotely similar. They have no bearing on the I/P conflict. Even if they claim they do.
3 Again, the rise of radical Islam and the I/P Conflict are not really related. If the radical Islamists were really very concerned with Palestine they'd band together and force a concerted effort to push the Jews "into the sea". In some ways, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad seems to be calling for this n\but he doesn't seem to be getting and real traction.
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