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A worried Dane
Today I saw in the danish news, that 31 afghan prisoners some time back was delivered over to the US forces, allegedly tortured, and then let go. This putīs pressure on the local minister of defense.
According to GWB, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0030507-18.html, certain suspect are not included by the Geneva convention.
Questions for debate:
Is the extradition of prisoners from one country to another, which does not adhere to the Geneva convention, a crime?

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GuardianAngel
QUOTE(A worried Dane @ Dec 4 2006, 10:50 PM) *

Today I saw in the danish news, that 31 afghan prisoners some time back was delivered over to the US forces, allegedly tortured, and then let go. This putīs pressure on the local minister of defense.
According to GWB, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0030507-18.html, certain suspect are not included by the Geneva convention.
Questions for debate:
Is the extradition of prisoners from one country to another, which does not adhere to the Geneva convention, a crime?



Actually...

these people qualify as unlawful combatants, they do NOT wear a uniform and they hide amongst the civilian population. therefore they are not only NOT afforded the protection of lawful combatants but are actually condemned and under the geneva convention pumishment for being an "Unlawful Combatant" is death.


http://writ.news.findlaw.com/dorf/20020123.html

http://en.wikisource.org/wiki/Third_Geneva...ntion#Article_4

TruthMarch
Of course it is if it's a Geneva Convention signee country who is doing the sending. Elementary morality. By that level, we could ask whether killing is wrong if it were in relation to the "Nine Commandments".
BaphometsAdvocate
QUOTE(A worried Dane @ Dec 4 2006, 05:50 PM) *

Today I saw in the danish news, that 31 afghan prisoners some time back was delivered over to the US forces, allegedly tortured, and then let go. This putīs pressure on the local minister of defense.
According to GWB, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0030507-18.html, certain suspect are not included by the Geneva convention.
Questions for debate:
Is the extradition of prisoners from one country to another, which does not adhere to the Geneva convention, a crime?

The answer is No. There's no real debate about it.

No it is not a crime to extradite a prisoner from a country that adheres to the GC to one that doesn't.
The Founders Intent
Who delivered the prisoners to the US?



Is the extradition of prisoners from one country to another, which does not adhere to the Geneva convention, a crime?
Is being intellectually dishonest a crime? Show me undeniable proof that torture was undertaken. What were the sources of the Danish news agency?

A worried Dane
http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/230/detention-facilities.html
This guy claims he has witnessed Danish soldiers bringing in POWīs 5-6 times for interrogation (and torture?)
"Who delivered the prisoners to the US?"
Danish soldiers.
This is a delicate matter for the Danish government, because extraditing prisoners to a third party for torture, is the same as taking part in torture.
The Danes donīt want their hands dirtied, although war is always an ugly and messy thing. Now the opposition is putting pressure on the government to start an investigation into the matter.

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/230/index.html
Mrs. Pigpen
QUOTE(A worried Dane @ Jan 28 2007, 10:59 AM) *

http://www.pbs.org/now/shows/230/detention-facilities.html
This guy claims he has witnessed Danish soldiers bringing in POWīs 5-6 times for interrogation (and torture?)
"Who delivered the prisoners to the US?"
Danish soldiers.
This is a delicate matter for the Danish government, because extraditing prisoners to a third party for torture, is the same as taking part in torture.
The Danes donīt want their hands dirtied, although war is always an ugly and messy thing. Now the opposition is putting pressure on the government to start an investigation into the matter.


I read through your link several times and didn't find what you are referring to here. Did you provide the wrong link? Could you provide the quote in which you are referring?
A worried Dane
http://www.dr.dk/DR2/Hemmelig/Emne+3/20061124120515.htm

Sorry, forgot, but also because the site is in Danish, and Iīm having trouble with browser playing it.
Itīs the bottom one.
Chris Hogan, a former interrogator in Afghanistan, is saying, that danish soldiers on 5-6 occasions brought in prisoners for the Americans, but I can only find web pages in danish verifying this, sorry, hereīs another, in danish as well; http://www.dr.dk/Nyheder/Indland/2007/01/2...tehttp%253Ab.dk
This is in English:
http://www.dr.dk/DR2/Hemmelig/emne1/20061128110313.htm

("Itīs a bit like when we where kids; being in a bad bunch, and suddenly getting moral scruples, does not make you popular). -quote
Danish poet.
A worried Dane
This issue is getting larger and larger everyday here in Denmark, new information arriving all the time.
The government states, that we (Danish soldiers) were at the disposal of the US forces, therefore we committed the prisoners to them.
But the only little twitch is, that as early as 2002, there was a report from the UN, that the US was violating human rights in Afghanistan. Did the government not read the report? And if they did, why did they not take action and forbid Danish forces to extradite more detainees. And there was a report from Amnesty in 2003, which they did not act upon either.
(I can see that this highly debatable issue is of no interest here, maybe I misjudged the folks in here, for being more open minded that I thought, about for instance criticism of the conduct of America in itīs war on terror. If this is a nationwide tendency, I think you might have a problem bordering a totalitarian state. The harshest control instance in any totalitarian society has always been the people themselves, surveying one another, and preventing each other from speaking out loud. This could be dangerous, and I must say, is very disappointing as well, coming from the superpower in this world, who claims to promote peace and democracy.)
Renger
QUOTE(A worried Dane @ Dec 4 2006, 11:50 PM) *

Today I saw in the danish news, that 31 afghan prisoners some time back was delivered over to the US forces, allegedly tortured, and then let go. This putīs pressure on the local minister of defense.
According to GWB, http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/20...0030507-18.html, certain suspect are not included by the Geneva convention.
Questions for debate:
Is the extradition of prisoners from one country to another, which does not adhere to the Geneva convention, a crime?


Perhaps one could make an argument that somehow the extraordinary rendition of "people who are supspected of terrorist activities or suspected of having ties with certain terrorist organisations" is not against the Geneva Convention and thus not a warcrime, but none the less this policy is an crime against humanity. More and more stories come out that clearly demonstrate that the U.S., in regard to the treatment of suspected terrorists, is willing to throw any moral, ethical and legal standard overboard. The stories we hear are coming from a minority, innocent people who had to go through this whole ordeal of rendition, but the things we are hearing are very very disturbing and appaling. Each day I get more disillusioned. Why do the American people not stand up in outrage against these practises that are performed in their name?
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