Full Version: Are there any Catholics out there?
I am an Irish Catholic. Over the years and with respect to many issues I have identified with the Conservative position. Now, Like Pat Buchanan, and John McLaughlin (and David Gergen) I find the Bush administration odious, opportunistic and dangerous. Are there any other religiously inclined Catholics out there who share my anxiety and will, tomorrow, fast for peace, as the Pontiff asked.
If there are only plantation presbyterians (ie Orange Order/KKK) types out there I'd hope you'd identify yourselves before wrapping the flag around you.
Two days ago Bernadette Devlin was turned back at O'Hare airport because she was a threat "to the national security" of this country?!!!!
Hello, what????
Peace
Please participate in this thread.....there are a lot of good-hearted and religious people who do not share or trust this administrations values.....
If there are only plantation presbyterians (ie Orange Order/KKK) types out there I'd hope you'd identify yourselves before wrapping the flag around you.
Two days ago Bernadette Devlin was turned back at O'Hare airport because she was a threat "to the national security" of this country?!!!!
Hello, what????
Peace
Please participate in this thread.....there are a lot of good-hearted and religious people who do not share or trust this administrations values.....
Ok Padraig, I'll do my best. The truth is though, I can only fast for about 6 or 8 hrs.
I think it's outrageous about poor Bernadette.
BTW, why is a nice Irish Catholic boy like yourself hanging out with the likes of Pat Buchanan?
I think it's outrageous about poor Bernadette.
BTW, why is a nice Irish Catholic boy like yourself hanging out with the likes of Pat Buchanan?
The Pope ain't infallible when it comes to politics.
And the President ain't infallible when it comes to anything. 
QUOTE(Wertz @ Feb 27 2003, 02:18 PM)
And the President ain't infallible when it comes to anything.
Have not been any Libertarian Presidents.
This thread is not very constructive.
Does anyone have any information on the fast?
Does anyone have any information on the fast?
QUOTE(Jaime @ Feb 27 2003, 09:14 PM)
This thread is not very constructive.
Does anyone have any information on the fast?
Does anyone have any information on the fast?
http://www.catholicweekly.com.au/03/mar/2/02.html
Pope John Paul II has called on Catholics to fast for peace on Ash Wednesday, saying "the future of humanity" will never be determined "by terrorism and the logic of war."
"Never, never,never!" he told the gathering in St Peter's Square as he announced the Day Of Peace - March 5 - in his Sunday message, calling on Catholics to show support for peace on this first day of Lent.
His appeal for peace came in the wake of his historic meeting the previous day with British Prime Minister Tony Blair - first meeting between a Pope & British Prime minister in 30 yrs.
I don't know if Padraig had the wrong date for the fast or if there has been more than this one request to fast for peace.
A few days ago, I noticed the headlines of an article in a Catholic newspaper, requesting priests to preach against the war during their Sunday sermons. I didn't read the article so I can't comment on it.
Hugo....I don't see anywhere in Padraig's or my posts where we said anything about the Pope being infallible when it comes to politics, or anything else, for that matter.
Madtown
I was once a Catholic (Roman), so I guess my two cents might add a little.
The fasting ritual is a pretty powerful way to pray. The hunger pangs tend to keep the prayers focused because that's how you forget about the pangs. The use of pain as a focus is also common in other religions and shamanistic seekings.
IMO though, this is a way for the novice spiritual seeker. Later on, your life becomes one continual prayer. It's like a tape loop in the subconscious.
Anyway, since a lot of people listen to what the Pope says and follow his directions, I imagine it will be one high holy day!
On an aside, I think the Pope was very gutsy to visit Iraq--considering his poor health and age.
And in conclusion, why wait for a special day? Pray like the dickens for peace, because the Pope is right. We aren't going to make it through terrorism or war. Peace is the only way to a better future.
But we knew that, even as kids in diapers.
The fasting ritual is a pretty powerful way to pray. The hunger pangs tend to keep the prayers focused because that's how you forget about the pangs. The use of pain as a focus is also common in other religions and shamanistic seekings.
IMO though, this is a way for the novice spiritual seeker. Later on, your life becomes one continual prayer. It's like a tape loop in the subconscious.
Anyway, since a lot of people listen to what the Pope says and follow his directions, I imagine it will be one high holy day!
On an aside, I think the Pope was very gutsy to visit Iraq--considering his poor health and age.
And in conclusion, why wait for a special day? Pray like the dickens for peace, because the Pope is right. We aren't going to make it through terrorism or war. Peace is the only way to a better future.
But we knew that, even as kids in diapers.
QUOTE(Madtown @ Feb 27 2003, 09:37 PM)
Hugo....I don't see anywhere in Padraig's or my posts where we said anything about the Pope being infallible when it comes to politics, or anything else, for that matter.
Madtown
My point is you can be Catholic and disagree with the Pope on political issues. The fasting for peace can be rejected by good Catholics.
QUOTE(hugo @ Feb 28 2003, 11:11 PM)
My point is you can be Catholic and disagree with the Pope on political issues. The fasting for peace can be rejected by good Catholics.
Well sure, but Padriag was addressing
"Catholics out there who share my anxiety and will, tomorrow, fast for peace, as the Pontiff asked. "
I agree that one can disagree with the Pope & still be a good Catholic. It really has nothing to do with this thread.
Madtown
QUOTE(Madtown @ Mar 1 2003, 05:18 AM)
QUOTE(hugo @ Feb 28 2003, 11:11 PM)
My point is you can be Catholic and disagree with the Pope on political issues. The fasting for peace can be rejected by good Catholics.
Well sure, but Padriag was addressing
"Catholics out there who share my anxiety and will, tomorrow, fast for peace, as the Pontiff asked. "
I agree that one can disagree with the Pope & still be a good Catholic. It really has nothing to do with this thread.
Madtown
This is suppossed to be America's DEBATE, not DISCUSSION. I see no debate here, simply discussion. I was attempting to get this post to be an actual debate. So please help me,Madtown; what is the debate here?
Sorry Hugo, I didn't start this thread. I was responding to Padraig's call for Catholics to fast for peace, "as the Pontiff asked."
DEBATE
Main Entry: de·bate
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
: a contention by words or arguments: as a : the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b : a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides
DISCUSSION
Main Entry: dis-cus-sion
consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate
Madtown
DEBATE
Main Entry: de·bate
Function: noun
Date: 13th century
: a contention by words or arguments: as a : the formal discussion of a motion before a deliberative body according to the rules of parliamentary procedure b : a regulated discussion of a proposition between two matched sides
DISCUSSION
Main Entry: dis-cus-sion
consideration of a question in open and usually informal debate
Madtown
Old news & unclear. Closed.
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