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lordhelmet
QUOTE(BoF @ Jan 19 2007, 04:29 PM) *

Noting the success of a recent righteous indignation thread based on Rupert Murdoch’s The New York Post and Fox News Channel, I thought some recent comments by Bill O’Reilly deserve some scrutiny. Sorry, but just I couldn’t think of anyway I could work this into the “War on Terrorism” section, so I’m putting it in media.

http://www.americasdebate.com/forums/index...=13975&st=0

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On the January 15 edition of Fox News' The O'Reilly Factor, host Bill O'Reilly said of Shawn Hornbeck -- who was abducted at the age of 11, held for four years, and recently found in Missouri -- that "there was an element here that this kid liked about this circumstances" and that he "do[esn't] buy" "the Stockholm syndrome thing." O'Reilly also said: "The situation here for this kid looks to me to be a lot more fun than what he had under his old parents. He didn't have to go to school. He could run around and do whatever he wanted." When fellow Fox News host Greta Van Susteren pointed out that "[s]ome kids like school," O'Reilly replied: "Well, I don't believe this kid did."

The following day, during his "Talking Points Memo" segment, O'Reilly responded to viewer mail criticizing his comments about Hornbeck. O'Reilly concluded: "I hope he did not make a conscious decision to accept his captivity because" his kidnapper "made things easy for him. No school, play all day long."

GRETA VAN SUSTEREN: Some kids like school.

BILL O'REILLY: Well, I don't believe this kid did. And I think when it all comes down, what's going to happen is, there was an element here.


http://mediamatters.org/items/200701170009

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OLBERMAN: And as a commentator insists, a second victim did not escape because he was having a lot more fun than he did at home. That boy's parents reveal they believe their son was sexually abused. Why does the commentator still have a job?


http://mediamatters.org/items/200701190009

Questions for debate:

1. Were Bill O’Reilly’s comments intemperate, insensitive, or worse inflammatory?

2. Does O’Reilly owe Shawn Hornbeck and his family an apololgy?

3. Do you agree with Keith Olbermann that FNC should fire Bill O’Reilly?



1. I think he made a good point given the facts given at his disposal.

2. Why? There is no evidence that O'Reilly supports child abuse. In fact, he goes out of his way to expose left wing judges who give child abusers and other predators slap-on-the-wrist sentences rather than the harsh treatment they deserve.

3. Keith who? If a commentator who nobody watches says something on a network that has almost no ratings, did he really make a sound?
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ConservPat
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What say you (or anyone else) regards to C-Pat's comments earlier suggesting that Mr. O' might be on to something?

To quote C-Pat,

"Just some fuel for the fire here. Apparently this kid told police in 2003 about a missing bike, but didn't mention the fact that he was kidnapped...I'm not saying Bill is right, but damn, maybe he was."

Be careful C-Pat, you may be accused of being a NAMBLA-lover..
Heh, maybe. I do think it's strange that no one has actually commented on what appears to be, at least in my eyes, a pretty damning article. I'm not saying I necessarily agree that "Stockholm Syndrome is nonsense" but the point is that we shouldn't just be calling O'Reilly a monster given the fact that he could be right. Oh, and kudos on coming up with the coolest abreviation for ConservPat I've seen so far. "C-Pat", I like it.

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Grendel72
QUOTE(BaphometsAdvocate @ Jan 21 2007, 08:57 PM) *
That's stupid enough. It doesn't need anything else to make and keep it stupid. Leave it alone. Don't add some twisted fantasy the BO is saying the kid liked being raped - it doesn't help.
because that is the clear implication of what o'reilley said. it doesn't really matter why he said it; i'm sure it wasn't intended to be sexual, just the natural born bully's gut reaction to immediatly attack someone when they're down. the fact is he said it, and if anyone else had said it the right wingers looking for any excuse to minimize the awfulness of what was said and done would be screeching for blood.
again, would one of those people desperately attempting to compare the two point out any time olberman has said anything remotely as disgusting as this.
lordhelmet
QUOTE(Grendel72 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(BaphometsAdvocate @ Jan 21 2007, 08:57 PM) *
That's stupid enough. It doesn't need anything else to make and keep it stupid. Leave it alone. Don't add some twisted fantasy the BO is saying the kid liked being raped - it doesn't help.
because that is the clear implication of what o'reilley said. it doesn't really matter why he said it; i'm sure it wasn't intended to be sexual, just the natural born bully's gut reaction to immediatly attack someone when they're down. the fact is he said it, and if anyone else had said it the right wingers looking for any excuse to minimize the awfulness of what was said and done would be screeching for blood.
again, would one of those people desperately attempting to compare the two point out any time olberman has said anything remotely as disgusting as this.


The problem with Olbermann is that so few people watch him that we'd be hard pressed to find anything disgusting (or otherwise) that he's said.

Did O'Reilly say the kid liked being raped? Have a quote for that one? Or is that YOUR conclusion? If so, it says more about you than O'Reilly.

We really don't know anything about this story. It seems to be off-the-wall based on what's known so far. The kid wasn't tied up in the basement or something. There *was* more to it than a simple kidnapping.

O'Reilly stated something obvious based on what is known right now. And Olbermann hates O'Reilly and has been trying to create a Rosie-Trump-like-feud for some time. The problem for him is, nobody knows it since most people switch the channel when his sanctimonious mug fills their TV screen.
BaphometsAdvocate
QUOTE(Grendel72 @ Jan 22 2007, 11:34 AM) *

QUOTE(BaphometsAdvocate @ Jan 21 2007, 08:57 PM) *
That's stupid enough. It doesn't need anything else to make and keep it stupid. Leave it alone. Don't add some twisted fantasy the BO is saying the kid liked being raped - it doesn't help.
because that is the clear implication of what o'reilley said. it doesn't really matter why he said it; i'm sure it wasn't intended to be sexual, just the natural born bully's gut reaction to immediatly attack someone when they're down. the fact is he said it, and if anyone else had said it the right wingers looking for any excuse to minimize the awfulness of what was said and done would be screeching for blood.
again, would one of those people desperately attempting to compare the two point out any time olberman has said anything remotely as disgusting as this.

I can't imagine how you've turned this into a "Right/Left" argument but let us compare reactions to Right statements and Left Statements:

Right
Trent Lott
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"I want to say this about my state: When Strom Thurmond ran for president, we voted for him. We're proud of it. And if the rest of the country had followed our lead, we wouldn't have had all these problems over all these years, either."

Result? Forced from position as Senate Republican Leader

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Left
Hillary Clinton
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Hillary Clinton introduced a quotation from the great freedom fighter Gandhi by saying, "He ran a gas station down in St. Louis. No, Mahatma Gandhi was a great leader of the 20th century."

Result? Issued an apology all was forgiven

Lesson? When the Right says something that might, maybe, possibly, is sort of if you look at it sideways, kinda racist - THE RIGHT sanctions the speaker. When the Left clearly says something racist nothing happens.

Now please explain your point to me again.
Jaime
Let's be sure to stay on topic.

DEBATE:

1. Were Bill O’Reilly’s comments intemperate, insensitive, or worse inflammatory?

2. Does O’Reilly owe Shawn Hornbeck and his family an apololgy?

3. Do you agree with Keith Olbermann that FNC should fire Bill O’Reilly?
Nina
Hello.

I find it rather interesting that you would all rather debate whether O'Reilly's were insensitve, slanderous etc. etc. and whether he should be sacked etc.etc. rather than address the more important issues such as;

Why we the people, allow (by watching) these pyschopaths free rein via our media sources.

Surely the more important aspect here is, that we are being completely brainwashed via television programming/networks (including so called news programs).

Almost all news channels are politically partisan, even the BBC these days god forbid. The news we do receive regarding information that really matters is usually distorted or inaccurate or both, usually to suit political alligiences.

The news has been dumbed down to such an extent that the superficial, the inane, the sheer obsession with celebrity and all things shallow has superceded the really important things in life.

I really am beginning to wonder if it is a ploy, to prevent us from really thinking about our societies today and seeing them as they really are, seeing ourselves as we really are perhaps.

Only we can change this miserable scraping of the television programming barrel, by switching off.
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