Full Version: Hell Is For Children
I'm sorry you think that way of me. I was simply trying to illustrate to you how delicate situations like the one you described can be.
You're a hero. Are you happy? You saved a single five year old boy from almost certain death, in his near-future. You acted on your insincts, and you won. Good job.
Will you don a cape? Spandex tights? Leap from building to building, striking fear into the hearts of child abusers?
They are many. You are one.
If you want to bring these people to justice, you do not fight them on an individual level. You fight them in court. You arrest them in droves, prove their guilt, and let them waste away in the slammer. You play by the rules. Otherwise, you're no better than they are.
You're a hero. Are you happy? You saved a single five year old boy from almost certain death, in his near-future. You acted on your insincts, and you won. Good job.
Will you don a cape? Spandex tights? Leap from building to building, striking fear into the hearts of child abusers?
They are many. You are one.
If you want to bring these people to justice, you do not fight them on an individual level. You fight them in court. You arrest them in droves, prove their guilt, and let them waste away in the slammer. You play by the rules. Otherwise, you're no better than they are.
We are getting off topic again.
But I will add as my final post on this exchange.
If I had only helped one child in my lifetime then it would have been worth it. But I have done more than just defend, I have also donated money and goods to others as well.
No matter how much you fault me for my actions in defending children on an individual basis, I will always know what I did was the right thing at that time.
But I will add as my final post on this exchange.
If I had only helped one child in my lifetime then it would have been worth it. But I have done more than just defend, I have also donated money and goods to others as well.
No matter how much you fault me for my actions in defending children on an individual basis, I will always know what I did was the right thing at that time.
If that is what you wish.
These men and women---they commit their crimes for their own twisted reasons. Some were abused, some were insane, and others, and these are the ones you focus on, simply do so out of sadism. Snap judgements do not work on a man whose father sexually abused him in his childhood. Nor do they work on the woman diagnosed with a history of mental illness, convinced against all odds, that drowning her babies was the only way to save them from satan. Whether they die, and how, are both up to the law to decide.
Really, we could argue this furthur, but we'd just end up repeating ourselves.
These men and women---they commit their crimes for their own twisted reasons. Some were abused, some were insane, and others, and these are the ones you focus on, simply do so out of sadism. Snap judgements do not work on a man whose father sexually abused him in his childhood. Nor do they work on the woman diagnosed with a history of mental illness, convinced against all odds, that drowning her babies was the only way to save them from satan. Whether they die, and how, are both up to the law to decide.
Really, we could argue this furthur, but we'd just end up repeating ourselves.
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We are getting off topic again.
But I will add as my final post on this exchange.
If I had only helped one child in my lifetime then it would have been worth it. But I have done more than just defend, I have also donated money and goods to others as well.
No matter how much you fault me for my actions in defending children on an individual basis, I will always know what I did was the right thing at that time.
But I will add as my final post on this exchange.
If I had only helped one child in my lifetime then it would have been worth it. But I have done more than just defend, I have also donated money and goods to others as well.
No matter how much you fault me for my actions in defending children on an individual basis, I will always know what I did was the right thing at that time.
Maybe you got lucky Sleeper. I would have--and have --done the same but Alky is also right. Had he not gone to jail or had just been held and released maybe the next time a backhand would have not been the extent of it. If you woke the next morning and learned the child was dead because the father went on a rampage after being humiliated how would you feel then.
Would you be Responible?-No, but you would have contributed.
As weak as they may be laws are the difference between men and animals.
As for your definitions of harsh I have known many people considered "good upright citizens" whose Idea of proper punishment for children is actually barbaric to my mind. There are plenty of parents out there who not only beat the life out of their kids but consider it good parenting! Spare the Rod and so on. Still plenty of southern schools that allow it.
Who are you to judge?
As for the molesters. hmmm
try this, i have "heard" of designing small viruses and implanting them in fake filetypes with titles sure to attract attention.
Even websites. Best are ones that try to broadcast emails with the "details" of the fake file to all who know the perv as well as law enforcement entities, or at least screw up the PC hopefully still exposing the perv as well.Always at least one dumbnut who takes the pc in to have the contents of the harddrive regained.
Sound like fun dunnit?
Sounds like a safe way to take the law into your own hands.
Alright, one more post, and i'll be off this topic, i swear it.
But still.
Alky?
Alky?
Yeesh, I'm a native american ripoff-poseur, not some pet cocker springer!
Although...in reflection, the cocker springer angle seems the less pathetic of the two.
Ah edit; to avoid confusion, I'm not native american. I just like to pretend I am. Hence the self-pity.
But still.
Alky?
Alky?
Yeesh, I'm a native american ripoff-poseur, not some pet cocker springer!
Although...in reflection, the cocker springer angle seems the less pathetic of the two.
Ah edit; to avoid confusion, I'm not native american. I just like to pretend I am. Hence the self-pity.
QUOTE(nighttimer @ Feb 11 2007, 04:05 AM) 
I am a believer in the innate goodness and mercy of human beings. Most of the time.
Other times I am convinced people are worthless scum and deserve to be erased from the face of the earth.
I try to be skeptical and not cynical. I accept that sometimes there are just evil people in the world, but I find I can still be stunned and sickened by the utter depravity of human beings.
That is if you can find anything human about this.
PITTSBURGH -- A man angry his toddler daughter wouldn't go to bed knocked her unconscious and left her to die outside, police said.
The frozen body of Nyia Miangel Page, who was about to turn 2, was found Sunday at an abandoned playground about a 10-minute walk from the family's home. Tiny footprints in the snow suggest she had gotten up and wandered around before she died, police said.
Her father, William Lorenzo Page, 23, of Braddock, was arrested Wednesday on charges of criminal homicide, kidnapping, false reports and simple assault. He has been in custody since Sunday, when he was charged with sexually abusing another child shortly before Nyia died.
Page told police he woke up early Saturday and found the girl awake and playing near a mirror in the hallway, according to a criminal complaint filed Wednesday night. He said he got mad when the girl wouldn't go back to bed so he hit her so hard she hit her head and was unconscious, the complaint said.
Police said Page told them he took the girl outside wrapped in a blanket and left her, still breathing, beside railroad tracks near a bridge.
An autopsy determined Nyia died of hypothermia, but the Allegheny County Medical Examiner ruled the death a homicide because investigators said it was unreasonable to assume the child had made it alone to the playground, which is on a wooded knoll.
Authorities could only guess how long Nyia, wearing only a sweater and a diaper, could have survived in temperatures that hovered around 2 Saturday morning.
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"Tiny footprints in the snow suggest she had gotten up and wandered around before she died."
That's the part that makes my stomach clench up and my voice cracks and I start crying. I think about what Nyia's last moments of life were like in the cold and the dark and the absolute horror of it all and it makes me cry all over again even as I type these words.
While the American press was kicking into full frenzy over the death of Anna Nicole Smith, this item slipped through the cracks:
PARIS, Feb. 7 — Austrian authorities have gathered information on more than 2,360 individuals from 77 countries who tried to view child pornography through a Russian Web site stored on a Vienna computer, the country’s Interior Ministry said Wednesday.
The discovery, which has not yet yielded arrests, set off a pedophile hunt around the world. The F.B.I. is looking for as many as 600 suspects in the United States, the Austrian ministry said. Germany has been given about 400 names and France close to 100. The ministry says 23 of the suspects are Austrian.
Interior Minister Günther Platter said the videos included images that showed “the worst kind of child sexual abuse” of children of various ages, ranging up to 14.
“Girls could be seen being raped, and you could also hear screams,” Harald Gremel, an Austrian police expert on Internet crime who headed the investigation, said at a news conference in Vienna, according to The Associated Press. He said the videos appeared to have been made in Eastern Europe and uploaded to the Vienna computer from Britain, and were accessible through a Russian Web site.
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"You could hear screams." There's a happy thought for you.
I can't begin to understand how sick and twisted you have to be to get off on child rape. I can think of all types of medieval punishments I'd like to inflict upon the purveyors and consumers of kiddie porn. Right now though, I feel a urgent need to do something to make sure there are no more Nyia Pages freezing to death in the snow or children having their innocence stolen by perverts.
Do a search of news articles on child pornography and abuse and you're overwhelmed by the sheer volume of it all. Kids are dying of hunger and disease around the world. Kids are having their childhood stolen as they grow up homeless and unwanted in the streets of Brazil and India or turned into prostitutes in Thailand or soldiers in Africa.
The Question for Debate:
How do you avoid becoming numb to the acts of brutality and cruelty directed against children?
Other times I am convinced people are worthless scum and deserve to be erased from the face of the earth.
I try to be skeptical and not cynical. I accept that sometimes there are just evil people in the world, but I find I can still be stunned and sickened by the utter depravity of human beings.
That is if you can find anything human about this.
PITTSBURGH -- A man angry his toddler daughter wouldn't go to bed knocked her unconscious and left her to die outside, police said.
The frozen body of Nyia Miangel Page, who was about to turn 2, was found Sunday at an abandoned playground about a 10-minute walk from the family's home. Tiny footprints in the snow suggest she had gotten up and wandered around before she died, police said.
Her father, William Lorenzo Page, 23, of Braddock, was arrested Wednesday on charges of criminal homicide, kidnapping, false reports and simple assault. He has been in custody since Sunday, when he was charged with sexually abusing another child shortly before Nyia died.
Page told police he woke up early Saturday and found the girl awake and playing near a mirror in the hallway, according to a criminal complaint filed Wednesday night. He said he got mad when the girl wouldn't go back to bed so he hit her so hard she hit her head and was unconscious, the complaint said.
Police said Page told them he took the girl outside wrapped in a blanket and left her, still breathing, beside railroad tracks near a bridge.
An autopsy determined Nyia died of hypothermia, but the Allegheny County Medical Examiner ruled the death a homicide because investigators said it was unreasonable to assume the child had made it alone to the playground, which is on a wooded knoll.
Authorities could only guess how long Nyia, wearing only a sweater and a diaper, could have survived in temperatures that hovered around 2 Saturday morning.
link
"Tiny footprints in the snow suggest she had gotten up and wandered around before she died."
That's the part that makes my stomach clench up and my voice cracks and I start crying. I think about what Nyia's last moments of life were like in the cold and the dark and the absolute horror of it all and it makes me cry all over again even as I type these words.
While the American press was kicking into full frenzy over the death of Anna Nicole Smith, this item slipped through the cracks:
PARIS, Feb. 7 — Austrian authorities have gathered information on more than 2,360 individuals from 77 countries who tried to view child pornography through a Russian Web site stored on a Vienna computer, the country’s Interior Ministry said Wednesday.
The discovery, which has not yet yielded arrests, set off a pedophile hunt around the world. The F.B.I. is looking for as many as 600 suspects in the United States, the Austrian ministry said. Germany has been given about 400 names and France close to 100. The ministry says 23 of the suspects are Austrian.
Interior Minister Günther Platter said the videos included images that showed “the worst kind of child sexual abuse” of children of various ages, ranging up to 14.
“Girls could be seen being raped, and you could also hear screams,” Harald Gremel, an Austrian police expert on Internet crime who headed the investigation, said at a news conference in Vienna, according to The Associated Press. He said the videos appeared to have been made in Eastern Europe and uploaded to the Vienna computer from Britain, and were accessible through a Russian Web site.
link2
"You could hear screams." There's a happy thought for you.
I can't begin to understand how sick and twisted you have to be to get off on child rape. I can think of all types of medieval punishments I'd like to inflict upon the purveyors and consumers of kiddie porn. Right now though, I feel a urgent need to do something to make sure there are no more Nyia Pages freezing to death in the snow or children having their innocence stolen by perverts.
Do a search of news articles on child pornography and abuse and you're overwhelmed by the sheer volume of it all. Kids are dying of hunger and disease around the world. Kids are having their childhood stolen as they grow up homeless and unwanted in the streets of Brazil and India or turned into prostitutes in Thailand or soldiers in Africa.
The Question for Debate:
How do you avoid becoming numb to the acts of brutality and cruelty directed against children?
Ahoy there, nighttimer. Been such a long time that, geez, we even have a poet around now.
As for the topic at hand, I don't know, nightclimber. Our problems in this world are such complicatingly complex that I will be amazed if somebody can disentangle each and eveyone of them.
We can't deal one topic/problem per se without discussing related matters. Child abuse, I believe, has something to do with social values (the values that we believe in and share as a social group), social control, religion, mass media, free-sex life style, etc. I believe we can only solve one social problem if we solve problems connected to it.
Well you can do anything you would like to do about avoid becoming numb to the acts of brutality and cruelty directed against children, but the results are people become aware and concerned about it and the government soon, as the concern mounting, will enact regulation/law pertaining it. That's about it. But does it really solve the problem and the problems?
Why only child abuse? Why only one problem at a time?
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