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gordo
A high ranking military official stated that he finds no connection yet between the insurgency and Iran in relation to the Iraq war. Here is the story with of course the link to it.

"JAKARTA, Indonesia - A top U.S. general said Tuesday there was no evidence the Iranian government was supplying Iraqi insurgents with highly lethal roadside bombs, apparently contradicting claims by other U.S. military and administration officials.

Gen. Peter Pace, chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff, said U.S. forces hunting down militant networks that produced roadside bombs had arrested Iranians and that some of the material used in the devices were made in Iran.

“That does not translate that the Iranian government per se, for sure, is directly involved in doing this,” Pace told reporters in the Indonesian capital, Jakarta. “What it does say is that things made in Iran are being used in Iraq to kill coalition soldiers.”

His remarks might raise questions on the credibility of the claims of high-level Iranian involvement, especially following the faulty U.S. intelligence that was used to justify the invasion of Iraq in 2003.

Three senior military officials in Baghdad said Sunday that the highest levels of Iranian government were responsible for arming Shiite militants in Iraq with the bombs, blamed for the deaths of more than 170 U.S. troops

Asked Monday directly if the White House was confident that the weaponry is coming on the approval of the Iranian government, spokesman Tony Snow said, “Yes.”

Iran on Monday denied any involvement.

“Such accusations cannot be relied upon or be presented as evidence. The United States has a long history in fabricating evidence. Such charges are unacceptable,” Foreign Ministry spokesman Mohammad Ali Hosseini told reporters in Tehran."


Questions for debate.

1) How can our government be so confused on the state of affairs in Iraq in relation to this issue?

2) Do you find the position of general Peter Pace to be honest or not?

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Bikerdad
QUOTE(gordo @ Feb 13 2007, 06:57 PM) *

A high ranking military official stated that he finds no connection yet between the insurgency and Iran in relation to the Iraq war. Here is the story with of course the link to it.



Questions for debate.

1) How can our government be so confused on the state of affairs in Iraq in relation to this issue?
I'm not sure that our government is confused, nor am I sure that Gen. Pace is confused. Nor is he contradicting Tony Snow.

2) Do you find the position of general Peter Pace to be honest or not?
Yes, based on what I know, he is being honest. He carefully qualified his statement in order to limit it specifically to the formal Iranian government, and as I read the link, he is referring specifically to the roadside bombs.

I do not, however, think that AP is being honest in their reporting. They failed to include the specific questions to which Pace and Snow were responding. Specificity does matter in communications.
Vampiel
This is a non-starter and there's no confusion. Pace is basically saying the same thing that other officials are -- that there is weapons from Iran, specifically the Iranian military, killing US soldiers. As far as involvement directly from the government is mainly speculation. However if you don't believe the Iranian govt. is actively attempting to undermine US efforts in Iraq including arms supplies I have a bridge to sell you and some ocean side property in Ohio to.
BaphometsAdvocate
QUOTE(gordo @ Feb 13 2007, 06:57 PM) *

Questions for debate.
1) How can our government be so confused on the state of affairs in Iraq in relation to this issue?

2) Do you find the position of general Peter Pace to be honest or not?

1) What in the statement of General Peter Pace makes you think he or the US Government are confused about the topic of Iranian made munitions?

2) Seems honest and it seems rather well thought out.

Did you misread this articlet?
gordo
QUOTE(Vampiel @ Feb 14 2007, 12:27 AM) *

This is a non-starter and there's no confusion. Pace is basically saying the same thing that other officials are -- that there is weapons from Iran, specifically the Iranian military, killing US soldiers. As far as involvement directly from the government is mainly speculation. However if you don't believe the Iranian govt. is actively attempting to undermine US efforts in Iraq including arms supplies I have a bridge to sell you and some ocean side property in Ohio to.


I don’t believe I put my position up in relation to this debate. I even posed the title as a question to make my position as far from existing as possible. I agree with peter pace, in how he uses what is concrete rather then speculation. Unless intelligence is being used by some and not others, or intelligence is only open to some and not others.

I would like to point out this part of the article.

“Three senior military officials in Baghdad said Sunday that the highest levels of Iranian government were responsible for arming Shiite militants in Iraq with the bombs, blamed for the deaths of more than 170 U.S. troops”

I would call that confusion being such people really should be communicating why they hold such views.

And then this part of the article.

“Asked Monday directly if the White House was confident that the weaponry is coming on the approval of the Iranian government, spokesman Tony Snow said, “Yes.”

So that basically would qualify as our government on at least some level confused about the involvement of Iran in the war in Iraq.

I don’t find such a position for our government to be healthy, more so in the reality of what the situation is over and what it could mean.
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