You need to pay attention net2007. I addressed Maher below:



And commented on your Glenn Beck video here.



Ok, so you and carlitoswhey want to play Coulter’s defense attorney. I’ll play prosecutor. In a plea deal, I’ll drop the charge against Coulter concerning the Edwards remarks, but I'm going to prosecute her on the death “jokes” about Lincoln Chafee and John Paul Stevens. Here are the quotations and links again.



http://mediamatters.org/items/200608310001



http://www.americanchronicle.com/articles/...?articleID=5236

How do you defend her on the Chafee and Stevens charges? It seems Coulter is a serial death joke teller.

Note: In case anyone thinks I’m being literal, I’m role-playing the prosecutor here.

BTW: NET2007, one question mark is sufficient, two-three-four doesn't change anything. Also, your idol Beck's first name has two Ns at the end.

Not a single person has passed up the facts here, net2007, you just don't like their answers to it. Not a single person here is defending Bill Maher's comment. Its arguably worse than the faggot comment. But this thread isn't about Bill Maher. If you are so inclined, start a thread regarding his statements about Cheney. It will be short lived because no one here will likely defend him like you are defending Ann Coulter.


So do you blame the Bush Administration for creating the idea that Saddam was involved in 9/11? 41% of the American public apparently still buys that canard.


Using Glenn Beck to support Annie C is like using
One example doesn't create a double standard. If Ann were so demonized in the media today, why does she still get so much airtime? Poor Ann, the tripe she spits out sells books, even sadly puts her on the NYT best seller's list. And yet you castigate those who pull things out of context to create false impressions? Have you ever fact checked one of her books?

Lol, come on your going to resort to telling me the proper way to use a question mark ??????? Or how to spell GleNNNN Beck? Did you just run out of things to say? Then after we proved she was being misquoted, you jump from that quote right to another thinking to yourself well perhaps he's right, I better find something else to exploit that right winger Ann. Not so Ironicaly the news artical you then present from media matters starts off "Right-wing pundit Ann Coulter" Favorible source there buddy, for you. Listen you can think what and how you will, your free to take this woman however your heart desires BOF. I'm not extremely familiar with her myself, I do see her from time to time on the news and in general agree with her much of the time on many topics, but my point was to show that what she said here in this case, has been being misquoted, and I did that.

If you want to say ohh but what about this one and this one, by the way you misspelled Glenn, by the way you use too many question marks, by the way the CIA doesn't investigate hate mail, by the way.........
Then it sounds like to me you don't have much left to say concerning how this case has been blown out of context so you resort to changing the topic. If you want to go into the nature of derogatory statements between the left wing and right wing press pundits like I said make a forum on that in specific and I'll debate you to the fullest, its not hard to attract attention for going to far into detail on a subject so id prefer just stick to the direct issue. Ive been called by others for off topic post when I use subtopics as a debate tactic, but I'm willing to debate media pundits on an even playing field if there was currently a forum for it. Another point I made earlier was that derogatory statements are being thrown by both sides, but in this case it looks like the left press is scrapping the bottom of the barrel trying to unnecessarily exploit her, I don't know maybe maybe she hadn't said anything they could use in months and they were having exploit the right withdrawal symptoms, and said hmm lets pull this out of context, nobody will know.

I'll try my patented no nonsense approach then sense we seem to have quite a debate going on an issue whose very contention only sullies th reputation of those who choose to defend Coulter.

Rule #1
Two wrongs don't make a right so 'm immune to any arguments about what somebody else did. Doesn't matter in this debate.

Rule #2
Just because something is meant as a joke it doesn't lose all other significance.

Pulling from the two rules, Anne Coulter just called a political opponent a faggot.

That is disgusting, it's juvenile, it has no place in our political dialog.

Which is amendable if a person disavows the remark.

To continue to defend it indicates the remark reflects a person's core values.

That would make her disgusting, juvenile, and without place in or political dialog.

Easy.

Nowhere did I conceed that she might have been misquoted. For the sake of argument, I was asking how you defended similar statements she had made about Lincoln Chafee and John Paul Stevens.



You kind of bypassed Chafee and Stevens and are quibbling about the BTW at the end of my post. In truth, net2007 how seriously you are taken here depends in part on how well or how poorly you present your ideas. I was trying to be helpful.



In the age of the internet, what someone says is out there forever.

My point was that Coulter is a serial death joke teller. You know Stevens>Chafee>Edwards. There's a pattern here. Care to deal with that in a manner that one might actually want to read? It seems you are avoiding this question much as you did the one about your lack of military service on the other thread. Do you not think that jokes about someones deah are worse than calling Bush a buffoon?

Doclotus







I'm not accusing anyone on the in the left media of defending Bill, just ignoring him. I didn't hear all the fuss on the news about him, when he was the one who actually made the comment about Dick Cheney Republican Vice president of the United States. Bill got one of those get out the spot light free cards aparently, ROFL




No I wasn't referring to Al Qaeda there, I'm talking about the idea that our president was depicted for having a connection to the attacks of 9/11 by conspirators, and episodes trying to pass this idea, were aired from various networks willing to air it in an attempt to further smear this president in any way possible. I don't believe many on the left buy into the fact that our gouverment put demo charges in the twin towers to help them collapse at the time of impact, in turn depicting the president as a Mass murderer, most people have more common sense than to buy into something like that, but I see the bias in the media for its coverage of non-creditable nonsense such as that.






Being demonised in the media doesn't get you kicked out or even necessarily lower your airtime, Rosie O' Donald is demonised in the media today, and it actually helps her, lol. And no Ive never read any of Ann's books, I'm not even necessarily saying she hasn't said things out of line in the past, because I don't know, but what I do know is this was pulled out of context and overused to smear her, thats obvious. I saw what she said in its original context, and how it was misused.

BoF



The answer is I don't, because I don't know how those other comments were used in their original context, and I haven't looked into it to have an opinion either way.




If I'm writing something that is official, or part of a college presentation, I'm very careful on my spelling in cases like that but in forums I type fast, give it a spell check, if the spell check doesn't catch it, then oh well. My writing is more than legible, things like three ??? is something else I do in forums alone as means of making the question more prominate, I've seen some do this ?!? Forum typing is a person centered kind of thing much of the time with technically improper phrases, Is ROFL a word ? I dunno, but I'll use it anyway, I know what it means. Quite simply I'm 24, I know three question marks is technically improper, its something I don't need to be told, especially if its followed by you didn't do this, this this and that.







Oh yea the "why the U.S cant win this war forum", that was a good one, very long debate. As for avoiding something here, or even their for that matter, I've done no such thing. I took what she said, made my opinion, presented the link with her actually saying what she did in its original context, then discussed the actual original quote that carlitoswhey presented. Other than that I have no opinion on other comments that you have brought up, all I know is this has been pulled completely out of proportion, and misused. This leads me to expect this isn't the first time she has been misquoted or taken too seriously, perhaps at times in the past she has said things that crossed the line, but I didn't make an opinion on that either way.

What you suspect isn't all that important, it's what you know.

How do you not take seriously jokes that have to do with an opponent's death?

BTW: You keep referring to the left being on Coulter's case. How about...

Bill O'Reilly?

Let's see now. She calls Edwards, who isn't gay, a faggot and gives Mark Foley, who is gay, a pass. Hypocrisy? I think we need a ruling from Sleeper on this one.

BoF





Like I said I didn't comment on that, I heard it requoted yes, but haven't read it in its original context like in the quote I did comment on, so I'm not saying if I'm taking that seriously or not BOF, thats another quote. Unless of course by her speaking of "an opponents death" you are speaking of what I did comment on the Edwards/Assasination plot quote, and for that my opinion remains, I don't take it seriously because she didn't actually say it, it was taken out of context.

BoF


I looked at the clip and it was posted on youtube October of last year, when it was filmed I don't know, what she said is, I don't think you wire tap someones phone for being gay, when you can't wiretap Al Qaeda. This was not a defense of what he did, because she was likely speaking of the intelligence gathering on him before what he was doing with pages was even revealed. She was speaking in past tense. I don't defend him either, considering what we found I'm glad he was caught. That kind of thing doesn't need to be going on in congress whether your republican or democrat, crooked republicans don't get the free pass with me, just because they are republicans, but was she saying he should be back in congress? No, Was she saying that he was a great representative? No, Was she saying that what he did wasn't wrong? Absolutely not, so whats your point?

Well, net2007, I can do research all day long to debunk you.

Here’s Ann Coulter admitting that she make the “rat poison” remark about Associate Justice John Paul Stevens. It was on Hannity and Colmes from July 6, 2006.



http://mediamatters.org/items/200607070009

There's also some "nice" information about her making death jokes about Bill Clinton. She seems to have a morbid interest in people she doesn't like dying. Even in "jest" that's not funny.

Debunk what all day long? your bringing up stuff I haven't even commented on. Off the line that quote sounds out of line yea, its not something Id say. How it was presented in its entirety I don't know, thats was two sentences BOF. She is obviously not very careful about how things she says can be taken by others, but thats her personality she tends to be a little crass. The right heres stuff like that day in and day out but this isn't a forum about Michael Moore, Bill Maher, John Steward, Rosie O' Donnell or even Hillery Clinton who believes this free county is being ran like a plantation so I'll leave it at that. My opinion on Ann is that perhaps she does say something here or there that is out of line, my opinion on her from what Ive personally seen however is not a bad one, she just wouldnt last long if she ran for office thats for sure but she is welcome to to be comedic or blunt in her line of work every bit as much as Rosie O' Donnell.

Then why do you bring their names up? Has anyone, other than you, brought up Rosie O'Donnell? Maybe you need to find out something more about Coulter before responding. I've provided a number of links to "death jokes" she's told and all you've come back with is that you don't know. Find out, how about!

Unless you can demonstrate otherwise, I don't think the media has given much play to consipiracy theories regarding 9/11 (note: not to say it hasn't gotten any play, just no major outlets have spent much time on it). Whereas the media was quite culpable in parroting this administration's weak intelligence on Iraq to get us into war. In my opinion, the media doesn't have a bent on ideology in reporting, just the stuff that sells. Bill M will always take 2nd seat to Ann because Bill only has a show on HBO. Ann is higher profile, but I won't deny that Maher should have been taken to task for his comments regarding Cheney.

Okay, it's past time we got off this "Bill Maher said a bad, bad thing about Dick Cheney" crap. First, it's no excuse for Ann Coulter's vile behavior and second, and more importantly, MAHER NEVER SAID CHENEY SHOULD BE KILLED!

Coulter and her defenders have criticized the Edwards campaign for omitting the Maher portion of her comments about wishing Edwards was killed by terrorists, claiming that her comments were taken out of context. But the context she claims is missing is itself false.

Coulter misrepresented Maher's comments about Cheney. In fact, Maher didn't say he wished Cheney had been killed; he said "if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn't be dying needlessly tomorrow. ... I'm just saying that if he did die -- other people -- more people would live. That's a fact."

During the March 5 broadcast of his show, MSNBC host and former Republican Congressman Joe Scarborough (FL) debunked his fellow conservatives' attacks on Maher: "Conservatives accuse Bill Maher of calling for Dick Cheney's assassination, but he didn't, and I should know. I was there." But Scarborough didn't correct Coulter when she appeared on Morning Joe, even though he and Coulter did discuss her reference to Maher. link

From the transcripts of the March 03, 2007 episode of Real Time:

MAHER: [overlapping] But I have zero doubt that if Dick Cheney was not in power, people wouldn’t be dying needlessly tomorrow. [applause]

RIDLEY: Okay, but—[voices overlap under applause]

SCARBOROUGH: But, let’s talk – let’s talk about your show for a second, very quickly. If somebody on this panel said they wished that Dick Cheney had been blown up, and you didn’t say—

FRANK: I think he did. [laughter]

SCARBOROUGH: Okay, did you say--?

MAHER: No. No, I quoted that.

FRANK: You don’t? Oh, you don’t believe that?

MAHER: No, I’m just saying that if he did die—

SCARBOROUGH: [laughter] Okay, but if – oh, let’s just say—

MAHER: [overlapping]—other people – more people would live. That’s a fact. link

Maher spoke about the "controversy" on March 5 and said, On Saturday, the website NewsBusters.org posted a story under the headline "Bill Maher Sorry the Assassination Attempt on Dick Cheney Failed."

There's just one problem: As a fair reading of the show's transcript makes clear, I never said those words. Still, over the weekend, dozens of websites, mostly right wing, picked up the story (with headline intact) thus proliferating the myth that comic Maher somehow advocates the whacking of our Veep.

Don't get me wrong: I've never joined the Dick Cheney Fan Club. But what I said Friday -- and what I believe -- is that the Vice President has presided over a bungled execution of a war in which thousands of our bravest continue to die. And I believe that were he not in power, our troops would likely come home sooner. But I don't wish him dead.

There is a big difference between suggesting if the Vice-President of the United States were dead more people might be alive and calling for him to be assassinated. Maybe the gallant defenders of Ann Coulter, the fascist blow-up doll, can't tell the difference but if you can freaking read, please tell me WHERE Bill Maher said Dick Cheney should be killed because he NEVER. SAID. IT.

Right. And the fascist blow-up doll Coulter. Never. Said. Edwards. Should. Be. Killed. Either. Feel better? To use your phrase, one of the great things about being a liberal must be the one-way hypocrisy filter.

- Maher never wished the Veep were dead, he only observed that the Veep's demise would prevent needless deaths in an unjust war.

- Coulter never wished Edwards were killed, she merely observed (ironically) that, were she liberal and wish (sorry observe the effects of) Edwards' demise, she would get less grief than for using the word "faggot."

I know you don't believe this, but I'm not really defending Coulter. I find her discourse to be counterproductive more often than not. She can't stay on point; her mind seems to stray to 4 or 5 tangents before it gets on track anymore, in print or live. She attracks pie-throwers, so it's hard to say she's elevating general discourse. But I find her bashers' moral high ground and posturing even more repugnant. On liberal / media hypocrisy and a few other topics, she is often dead-on. And this situation is a perfect example.

Coulter maintains that liberals more often use the absolute moral authority card, choosing the messenger over the message. (See Jersey girls, Cindy Sheehan, etc.) On cue, Edwards has his cancer-stricken wife call out Coulter... I quote "As a mother, I beg you to stop these attacks." Edwards' alleged faggotry aside, that's a wuss move. He can't handle the acid-tongued Coulter, but he's looking for your largesse so he can be President and out-negotiate Putin over some nukes. He is a joke.

And again, one reason why I don't like Coulter is that, when she says these stupid things, she has the wrong effect. She probably singlehandedly raised a couple million for Edwards, just so she can pimp the paperback version of her book. So he hangs on as #3 candidate, when he's probably the worst of the 20 or so options on either side. Thanks for nothing Ann!

You're kidding right?

Mrs. Edwards has every right to play the "moral authority" card. She has the moral high-ground. This is what happens when Coulter engages in actions that are... immoral.

"Can't handle" Coulter?

This wasn't exactly a witty rejoinder.

I agree that a punch in the nose was likely a more appropriate response, but what with the cameras and all..

Well, as an European outsider I will put in my own two cents.

1. Yes, these remarks were totally out-of-bounds. It was a mean-spirited and childish attempt to publically smear Edwards' character. This was clearly not a joke, no matter how hard some people want to convince us of that.

2. Definately a partisan bomb-thrower. I have watched multiple videos of her on youtube.com and it is clear that she is absolutely no serious political commentator. Bill Maher and Jon Stewart should also not be taken seriously, but at least they are funny.

I can’t believe skanky Coulter is back in the headlines. I wish she would just go away. Far, FAR away.

Appealing to Coulter’s “decency” is impossible, given that she has none. This latest episode is just another example of her crass media whoredom. I’m glad Mrs. Edwards called in so that Coulter's outrageous spew did not go unchallenged, but I think pleading with Coulter for decency is like asking a hyena not to attack a zebra. It's pointless. Sadly, I think it just feeds the Coulter media machine and provides more fodder for future derisive remarks.

Oh, gawd, I think I’m going to hurl. How anyone – male or female – can think mAnn Coulter is sexy is beyond me. Next to the definition of harpy in the dictionary, there should be a picture of her. Blurrrgggghhh.

No, I will answer that. Obviously, you haven’t seen the show (which is called “Lil’ Bush”, BTW), or you’d know lil’ Hillary (and even lil' Bill) is there with the rest of the political gang.

'DaffyGrl'




Lol, she may not be a supermodel, but I think her personality carries her. I like outspoken women.






Ive seen the first episode of Little Bush, the show is centered around the bush administration even if Hillery pops in once in a blue moon, the show depicts them as having a true lack of any value. Some of the things Bushes mother tells him to understand as his values was obsured. I don't think of Bush as a great leader by any means, when I defend him its when people suggest he intentionally mislead Americans with this war, or he has no values, or respect for life, and having no values is exactly how that show depicts him.



nighttimer



Okay, it's past time we got off this "Bill Maher saying a bad bad thing talking point? That other people would be better off if the Vice President was dead? Did the media even ever attack him like Ann to begin with? I think to even the playing field one should think to themself where Ann's comment, that was mind you was pulled out of context, originated from, and thats Bill Maher. So why do we not talk about him? His comment was his comment after all, not him saying that given the rate I'm attacked by the media maybe they would feel better if I said people would be better off if this guy was dead like that other fellow said. That was Ann's comment in its original context, Bill Mahers comment was not him demonstrating someone else, Its what he believes and its what he said. I noticed your a liberal, is that why we don't talk about the original comment actually coming from Bill Maher in a much more direct way than how Coulter said it ? Where is conservative Ann's get out of the spotlight free card, I wonder?

Doclotus


Well I appreciate you saying, Maher should have been taken to task for his comments regarding Cheney, like Ann. Thats all I wanted to hear, unfortunately he wasn't, I watch the news steadily and never saw anything about him on this until Ann demonstrated what he said and that maybe people would just prefer she spoke in his toung. Ironically people are running around now saying Ann said she wished John Edwards was killed in a terrorist plot, because apparently they expect her to say outradgeous things due to her toung in the past so they jumped on this one without even looking at the context of what she said, I'm even convinced more people know about this from her debate with Edwards wife recently with Criss Matthews, than actually seeing the original footage, because thats when the bulk of the controversy started.

As for 9/11 hoax stories trust me they have got there share of coverage by the media, I saw a few things on it myself, not to mention the overwhelming internet coverage it has. Thats a whole other story though, I love debating Hoax theories and I may even follow up my moon hoax theory forum with a 9/11 hoax theory forum in a week or two, in the meantime I will be out of town for a week or so, my birthday is on the 4th so I'm taking a trip

Here's an interesting Youtube video conversation about the matter.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6zcP2W4XC3c

If you want an answer about how the media handled Maher's comments, why don't you Google it yourself and report back, rather than ask someone else to do your homework?

I'm not doubting there were people who called him on it, but I've pretty much watched the news 5 days a week or more for years, and never was lucky enough to catch media coverage of him saying what he did, Ann's footage has gotten news coverage on almost every news network for the last week solid. Not to mention internet coverage that dwarfs that of Bill Maher. Thats a bit ridiculous considering he is the one who Ann was demonstrating. You and I could go back and forth on that, but like I said your welcome to think what you want BOF, my only point was to show what she said was pulled out of context and has been given unfair criticism given that context. I'm hearing people saying she said John Edwards should be killed in a terrorist plot more than those acknowledging what she actually said.

No net2007, you are taking an uncorroborated swipe at the mainstream media - a common tactic (not a good debate tool) of those on the right. Instead of providing us with something concrete, you have given us anecdotal evidence. This just doesn’t cut it. Just out of curiosity, what “news” programs do you watch other than Glenn Beck.



It's always about you, isn't it. Thanks for your permission, but I already knew I was welcome to my thoughts - knew that long before you were born.


Edited to add:

The matter certainly didn't escape Faux News (AKA Murdoch News).

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,256650,00.html

Come on man, all I said is your welcome to think what you want , thats a simple polite gesture that wasn't in any way about me. Why are you on the offense as you seem to be? Heck I'm just stating my opinions, if you disagree you disagree, thats up to you, I'm not telling you how to think. This is after all Americas debate, and given this is a free country, heck think what you want BOF, and say what you want. I'm open to open dialog here, and will try and respect your opinion as I would want mine respected. Lets not make this personal, I know your politics are very different from mine, Ive talked to you before. Ive stated my opinion on Ann and really don't have much left to say on the topic but I saw that in this case her words were pulled out of context and thats from looking at what she said originaly and comparing it to what others are saying she said. What can I say I'm sorry we don't agree BOF but in any case I will hold my viewpoint because I looked at the facts and determined for myself what actually happened.

What context?!

She called the man a faggot.

Is there a deep intellectual dialog I'm missing?

Aw, and you were doing so well there, Carlitoswhey. Right up to the point where you couldn't resist editorializing
that Coulter had "merely observed(ironically)." Is this where your psychic powers kick in and you venture into the reeking sewer that is Ann Coulter's mind? "Ironically" is your interpretation---or spin--of Coulter's remarks.

Plus, as bony as she is, Ann C. doesn't have an ironic bone in her body. She had that surgically removed the same time she had her senses of humor and decency disconnected.



You're right. I don't believe you're not defending Coulter. In fact, it looks like you're riding across the desert on a fine Arab charger coming to her emotional rescue. I don't see how your non-defending defense of Ann Coulter's right to be vile and disgusting is anything less than a back-hand endorsement of her hate speech.




As long as the Far Right apologists for Coulter in the media and on this board continue with their mealy-mouthed enabling of this skank, she'll keep saying these outrageously stupid things.

Ten years ago, in a rare moment of honesty she revealed what her act was all about: "I am emboldened by my looks to say things Republican men wouldn't."---TV Guide 8/97

Ain't a damn thing changed. Except her looks.



If you want to start a discussion about Bill Maher's remarks taken out of context by some right-wing nitwit website five months ago, net2007, here's how you do it: START A THREAD ABOUT IT. "Why do we not talk about him?" Well, maybe because he isn't the subject of this thread? That might have something---no, EVERYTHING--to do with why we're not talking about it.

Since you don't, won't or can't break up your thoughts into one idea per paragraph, it's hard to penetrate a lot of what you write, but I think I can cut through the tangled vines enough to grab a sliver of a coherent argument.

His comment was his comment after all, not him saying that given the rate I'm attacked by the media maybe they would feel better if I said people would be better off if this guy was dead like that other fellow said. That was Ann's comment in its original context, Bill Mahers comment was not him demonstrating someone else, Its what he believes and its what he said.

Oh, sorry. Guess I couldn't find a coherent argument here.

But yes, I am a liberal. Is that a bad thing? You seem to be implying something here, but you aren't saying anything specifically. Seems to be a trait you share with that nasty piece of work, Ann Coulter. As to where her "get out of the spotlight free card" is let me make a wild speculation: media whores like Paris, Lindsay, Brittney and Ann have no life without the spotlight.

It was an obvious set up. They tell Ann as she is walking on Mrs. Edwards “might call in” – so what do you think– the cable news outlet, with the left bias, that no one watches sets up a confrontation - $$$$ in the bank (“Every time Ann Coulter said something, no matter how far over the top, those young people were just screeching with excitement.”).

Both sides say have plenty to say and will for the next year or so. Should be fun.

As always AC makes more money every time some fool attacks her.

Nighttimer




No being a liberal is not a bad thing, I may only agree with them in politics about 20% of the time, if that, but diversity is fine, I have no problem with that.
But I do sometimes wonder how much of a role political affiliation has to do with who we as people aggressively pursue to depict in a negative way. Its almost impossible to know if anyone would get an honest answer about something like that, but I figured id just throw that in as a question anyway. She is after all as far to the right as one can get, for goodness sake she wrote a book titled GODLESS, THE CHURCH OF LIBERALISM. You have every reason to attempt to expose her due to politics alone, now in no way do I expect you to admit that if it were true, and I don't know if its true, but one thing that is true is the majority of people perusing her in this are in fact in the opposing political party, and I could prove that just by looking in this forum alone.

Political bias in America is strong, I'll sit here and admit to anyone I have my share of it, in fact I think we all do to some extent whether we admit it or not.
A strong part of me feels the reason she is being attacked on this by the left is because she speaks out against liberals, only problem is that in this case what she said was completely distorted and pulled out of context as was shown, if it was a valid insult to John Edwards in this case id have little to say right now.

Despite our differences, I think its important that we don't point first and ask questions later when it comes to anyone in the opposing political party, you may know Ann as a bomb throwing, harsh, conservative, or even a whore as you just called her, but we shouldn't be after one another in this sort of way. Should I make a forum called "The Pot Calling The Kennel Black?" To show how we often let our predetermined notions of an individual be an excuse to use equally harsh language in a derogatory way? I mean you just called her a whore did you not ? How is that better than fagot ? Am I making a point? I mean come on, seriously I think there is a little bit of hypocrisy here.

On the other hand this is exactly why I was wanting to do a forum about political correctness because to some extent we have to be able to disagree and express our differences with words, but at the same time have a degree of mutual respect for one another.

I will repeat myself because it bears repeating....

The dialog you are missing is the fact that I'm talking about one thing and your talking about something else, I'm talking about the latter part of her quote. Lets look at it again..........

COULTER: Oh yeah, I wouldn't insult gays by comparing them to John Edwards. That would be mean. But about the same time — you know — Bill Maher was not joking and saying he wished Dick Cheney had been killed in a terrorist attack. So I've learned my lesson. IF I'm going to say anything about John Edwards in the future, I'll just wish he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot.

Notice I keep putting in bold the word "IF" in that quote because she didn't actually say she wished he had been killed in a terrorist assassination plot like his wife and many others keep saying, but concerning the Fag comment everything nighttimer has quoted is the following....



She must at some point have called John Edwards a fagot if she is bringing up defenses about it but nighttimer didn't show the original context at all. All these two quotes say is ""It turns out you have to go into rehab if you use the word 'faggot,' so I'm kind of at an impasse"" and ""I would never insult gays by suggesting that they are like John Edwards"" So you know what? Based on this I don't know how this was used in its original context. For all I know it was pulled out of context or exaggerated just like the "I wish John Edwards had been killed in an assassination plot" part that followed was, leading her to get sarcastic and say aparently you have to go into rehab if you use the word faggot. I don't know where that originated from because he didn't show where it originated from, and Ive yet to see it so I don't have an opinion on it.

Anyway I'll catch you guys later I'm going out of town, I may pop in once or twice in the next week but if not I'll talk to you guys next week.

You don't have to be a liberal or a Democrat to be opposed to Ann Coulter. You can be a conservative, a Republican, an independent or just any decent human being who loves both free speech and civil discourse. Coulter doesn't care about those things, net2007 and if you really open your eyes and do a little research you'll find you're defending a woman who does more harm than good to conservative principles.

So more Democrats and liberals are critical of Coulter than Republicans and conservatives in this forum? Yes? And so? What does it say that so many Republicans and conservatives are defending her (even while they hold their noses doing it).

Coulter makes her money by selling books to conservatives ripping liberals. That's her thing and she's very good at it, but it's not a particularly nice way to make a buck. Her way is just above being a hooker but a quite a bit below being a respectable political commentator. She writes trash for people who find real political commentary too advanced for their stunted reading comprehension skills.

And no, I don't want a left-wing version of Ann Coulter. That's the LAST thing I want. You can't beat stupidity with more stupidity.



You're missing the point, net2007. Liberals such as myself don't "attack" Coulter because she speaks out against liberals. There's a LONG list of folks who do that much better than she does. The thing is instead of criticizing John Edwards for his policies, his plans or anything of substance, she questions his sexual orientation. That's out of bounds.

It's one thing to say "I don't think President Bush should have invaded Iraq." It's another thing to say, "Bush invaded Iraq to make up for being sexually impotent." Unless Coulter has had sex with Edwards why should anyone not reply, "You don't know what you're talking about." Coulter doesn't elevate the discussion. She coarsens it, but only after she's throughly barfed all over it first.

The media--the so-called "liberal" media LOVES Ann Coulter. They put her on all the time because they know she's going to say something juicy and over the top and be completely outrageous. If only she'd flash the photographers with no underwear as she's getting out of a car. What a superstar she'd be then! Wait...I'd better stop before I give her an idea.



Yes, I did call Ann Coulter a "media whore" because she will say or do virtually anything as long as it craps up her book sales. When I call Coulter a "whore" I'm being accurate and a profession. When she calls Edwards a "faggot" she's selling books and slandering homosexuals. I try to converse with people on their own intellectual level. It would be a waste of time to speak with a potty-mouth 5-year-old the same way I would with a Harvard professor with a Ph.d. I can't raise Ann Coulter up to my level of debate, so I'll just have to dumb down to hers. It's easier for a civilized man to act like a barbarian than the other way around.

I'll try being nicer to Ann Coulter if she tries being smarter.

Oh, and a word of advice, net2007? I know your youthful exuberance can occasionally run away from you, but take a moment and check to see if what you're writing is really what you want to say. "The Pot Calling the Kennel Black?" I knew what you meant to say, but my wife looking over my shoulder read that and made a Scooby-Doo sound.

You know, a "Roo?" sound. We all fat-finger a key and write something differently that what we mean to say, but you're kind of taking it to an art form.

Were Ann Coulter's remarks about John Edwards a totally out-of-bounds slur or just a joke that is being deliberately misinterpreted?

It was a totally out-of-bounds slur in the form of a puerile joke. But there is no misrepresentation whatsoever. In short, Coulter was playing - quite successfully - to her target audience. And they ate it up. Coulter's audience hates gays more than they hate Edwards and she came up with the perfect combination for her Neanderthal admirers. She knew exactly what she was saying - and she knew exactly how much the American Conservative Union would love it. Watch the footage - they thought referring to Edwards as a "faggot" was just about the most hilarious thing they'd ever heard in their lives. The remark got ten seconds of laughter, applause, and whistles before she could continue - and a sustained ovation at the end of her sentence. This tells us much more about the nation's oldest conservative lobbying organization than it does about Coulter - not that we didn't know already.

Coulter attempted to defend her remark by making the following claim on Hannity and Colmes:
She might as well have said
Coulter apparently thinks everyone is as stupid as her fans. "I wouldn't insult gays by comparing them to John Edwards," she told the New York Times. No, Ann, you would insult gays by using a term like "faggot" as a pejorative to get an incredibly cheap laugh. Can we say "class act"?

Do you consider Coulter a serious political commentator or a partisan bomb-thrower?

Oh, please. She is a crass, mean-spirited, uninformed hack pandering to morons. If we could raise the collective IQ of our citizenry by ten points over night, Coulter would have no audience whatsoever. I can't quite characterize her as a "partisan" bomb-thrower, though - that's rather an insult to partisans. Partisans tend to be aware of, if not informed about, political issues. Coulter caters almost exclusively to drooling idiots who can't comprehend much more than their fear and hatred of anything that isn't exactly like themselves - or what they aspire to be: straight, white, rich, and powerful. Stupid, hateful, greedy, ignorant cowards are not partisans - they are stupid, hateful, greedy, ignorant cowards. And Ms. Coulter is right at home in such company.

In fairness, her more recent comment about Edwards being killed in a terrorist assassination plot was taken out of context - and she is quite despicable enough without having to resort to amplifying her hate speech. But what is so rich about that whole affair is Coulter's strident insistence that she is being treated unfairly because her remark was taken out of context - while she was taking Bill Maher's remark entirely out of context in the first place (not to mention grossly misquoting him). Sorry, Ann - what's sauce for the goose is sauce for the gander. You have no moral high-ground here. In fact, you have no moral high ground anywhere.

I'm wondering if Coulter is doing this on purpose. Check out her Wiki entry for her past:

Annie's Past

She's a Grateful Dead fan? She dated Bill Maher? These are not conservative credentials. I bet she's baiting the rabid right to show their true selves and laughing all the way to the bank. This premise explains many things that don't otherwise make sense. Must have been that contact high she got from Billy.

I'm sorry at what point does music, dating and personal life become the property of any political party? This will really upset you but Hardcore Give War A Chance reading Conservatives listen to The Dead, The Beatles, Jimi Hendrix, Black Sabbath, Led Zeppelin, Tool, Korn, Public Enemy, 50 Cent, The Spice Girls, the Metropolitan Opera... Hardcore Che shirt wearing Liberals like NASCAR! (Sure they're Junior fans, but still...)

Come on please there are so many “left wing versions of Coulter� out there its silly to imply she is unique in any way. Mathur is just one – there are plenty of far less popular left wing mud slingers that have said things far worse than Coulter ever will.

So please spare me the misplaced Coulter outrage.

What does this mean? To me it means Bush sees a future where all races co-exist equally, but leaders of certain racial groups do not engage in hate politics to further their own agenda. I've reported before that the NAACP visciouly attacks Republicans and Bush. For the record, here's a sample of notorious slurs against Bush/Republicans:
1. ad that portrayed Bush as unsympathetic to the dragging death of James Byrd in Texas --NAACP's National Voter Fund
2. called Bush an illegal president
3. compared his anti-abortion views to the Taliban
4. called his trip to Africa a photo-op
5. "They preach racial neutrality and practice racial division" --Julian Bond
6. "We have a president who owes his election more to a dynasty than to democracy" --Julian Bond
7. "There is a right-wing conspiracy, and it is operating out of the United States Department of Justice" --Julian Bond
http://www.slantpoint.com/mt-arx/2004/07/the_fall_of_the.php


And so much more as I have posted here.

I guess since two wrong don't make a right some seems to think that nine will just about do it.

I would caution against arguing that list point by point, rather recognize a standard diversion when you see one.

We do have a topic here.

Yeah, these are the moderates. Some might have even taken LSD at some point, or smoked a doobie or two. Annie appeals to the rabid right, the ones who honestly hate liberals, and she makes a good living with the act. Must be a better living than her lackluster law career. Finally found a home for tortured logic!

But really, Bill Maher? Oh yeah, could she hold down dinner after the Michael Moore movie? Oh wait, maybe that was before she dreamed up devil spawn, which might have been a reaction to being dumped by Maher. Heh, another mystery solved, and it explains her thing about Maher's thing about Cheney. As for her thing about faggy Demo candidates, that's probably just envy that one of them is prettier than she is.

It all adds up to the word that rhymes with ditch, and a rich one at that. It's all falling into place . . . wow, man!

Yea sorry about that I acedently spelled kettle wrong and the spell checker changed the word to kennel as a closest match, and I didnt catch it. Im out of my apartement for about a week, using a laptop now but those last few post were written in haste because I was packing and whatnot. But hey I have a kennel and I want it painted black, lol jk. All kennels should be black darn it! Anyways, I dont currently have the time to make decent sized post but I can more than assure you the left already has their share of Ann Coulters in America, In fact I believe conservatives are playing catch up in that department. Rosie O' Donnel is Ann Coulter X 2, litteraly, hehe.