... thank you
Sorry, I didn't intend to take this debate off topic or cause confusion, but I did, the fault is mine on this one.
Discussing the manner in which one self-identifies via registered Party Affiliation in the real world is not
off topic. It is why I asked the question in the first place. In fact, the site adminstrator very clearly stated that the Independent category was created because
of real world registration.
In response to my original post in the Adding Categories thread:
I've always wondered about the Independent listing in the Party Affiliation. There is the Independent American Party - http://www.usiap.org/
. Is this the party referred to? I chose none because I am undeclared. Perhaps an Undeclared selection would make this clearer.
Independent made the cut because many states (such as Alaska, Maine, Delaware, and New Hampshire) allow their citizens to register as independents.
Undeclared would be covered by None, Other, Private, or Undisclosed.
I took independents
to mean "little I" independents - which would mean that the Independent category under Party Affiliation did not
refer to an actual party or parties.
In my response to this, I was trying to point out - perhaps clumsily - that one "registers independent" in the states he was referring to by registering Undeclared (or as having no party affiliation) - which he clearly stated would be covered under None, Other, Private or Undisclosed.
As a registered "little I" independent, the Independent category was created for people like me, but, because I consider myself Undeclared (the manner in which I registered "little I" independent), I would be better covered under None, Other, Private or Undisclosed?
I was confused and asked for further clarification.
The site administrator then responded:
Clearly our members affiliate themselves with Independent parties of some form or another.
This appears to contradict his original statement that the Independent category was created because people register as "little I" independents.
This issue would be insignificant if we simply were able to choose our Party Affiliation on this site without consequence... if it were simply "self-identification" for self-identification's sake... if we were able to say, "I'm a Republican today and I will be a Democrat tomorrow" and choose those Party Affiliations on this site without consequence.
But - as in the real world
- on this site there are
consequences for choosing a Party Affiliation. There are rules governing Party Affiliation on this site. As many states (according to FairVote.org
, just over half) have closed primaries in which registered "little i" independents can not participate in party primaries, so
has "closed forums" - if you will - in which "little i" independents - those who have chosen no party affiliation on this site - are not allowed to participate. That is the impact of choosing None as your Party Affiliation and it is similar to officially registering as a "little I" independent in real life
Can you simply change your Party Affiliation and say, "I was a Republican yesterday, but today I am a Democrat" in order to participate in these forums? No:
QUOTE(Mike from the Archives of the Party Specific Debate forum)
Switching your party affiliation simply to post in another party-specific forum is not appropriate.
Now, I am not complaining about the rules... I am not disagreeing with the rules... I am not dissing anyone for their Party Affiliation.
If Independent refers to a party, cool. If it does, I don't understand why people, like the site administrator or yourself, would choose Independent under Party Affiliation when they are "little I" independents. But, it is true that this is none of my business.
If it doesn't refer to a party, but refers to "little I" independents... cool. that does, however, raise another question regarding the rules of the Party Specific Debate Forum. I as a "little I" independent choosing None - a category that the site administrator has clearly stated best fits me - am not allowed to participate in the Party Specific Debate forum, but "little I" independents who choose Independent are allowed to participate. I don't understand why that is. I'm not disagreeing with it, I just don't understand it.
Of course, that point is moot if the Independent category under Party Affiliation refers to a party. But I don't know. Does the Independent category under Party Affiliation refer to a party?
*edited for clarity