Full Version: Lieniency for drunk driving illegal, Alfredo Ramos
1. Is it just me, or has Virginia Beach and the entire State of Virginia gone "round the bend" with their buck passing regarding why Alfredo Ramos was not deported after his first DUI?
2. The killing of these two teenagers is a tragedy! We have enough American citizens who drive drunk and kill us, why are we exercising so much patience with illegal individuals who come into our country and commit horrible crimes?
The very sad fact is that if law enforcement or ICE had done their jobs these two girls would still be alive!
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=122360&ran=40850
2. The killing of these two teenagers is a tragedy! We have enough American citizens who drive drunk and kill us, why are we exercising so much patience with illegal individuals who come into our country and commit horrible crimes?
The very sad fact is that if law enforcement or ICE had done their jobs these two girls would still be alive!
http://content.hamptonroads.com/story.cfm?story=122360&ran=40850
It might be a good idea to consider rephrasing the questions for debate . . .
1. Is it just me, or has Virginia Beach and the entire State of Virginia gone "round the bend" with their buck passing regarding why Alfredo Ramos was not deported after his first DUI?
Well, first of all, driving under the influence, even if nobody is hurt and there is no property damage, is a very serious offense and should be treated as such. The real question is why anybody, native-born citizen or legal immigrant or illegal immigrant, with such a violation was treated so leniently.
As to the direct question, I'm not sure if this is so much a matter of "passing the buck" as a failure of co-ordination between local officials and federal officials.
So, it may just be a matter of having the correct legal system in place.
2. The killing of these two teenagers is a tragedy! We have enough American citizens who drive drunk and kill us, why are we exercising so much patience with illegal individuals who come into our country and commit horrible crimes?
I don't know if we have patience with those who commit horrible crimes, but "we" (the system) do seem to have patience with those who remain under the radar. It's a difficult problem to fix, when the labor of illegal immigrants is so useful to so many businesses. No, I don't think American is under attack by a swarm of dangerous criminals; but the system for dealing with illegal immigrants could certainly be better.
1. Is it just me, or has Virginia Beach and the entire State of Virginia gone "round the bend" with their buck passing regarding why Alfredo Ramos was not deported after his first DUI?
Well, first of all, driving under the influence, even if nobody is hurt and there is no property damage, is a very serious offense and should be treated as such. The real question is why anybody, native-born citizen or legal immigrant or illegal immigrant, with such a violation was treated so leniently.
As to the direct question, I'm not sure if this is so much a matter of "passing the buck" as a failure of co-ordination between local officials and federal officials.
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It comes down to this: Local law enforcement can't do a damn thing about illegal immigrants who commit small-time crimes, and the feds don't because they're overwhelmed.
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. . . state and local law enforcement have no authority to enforce immigration laws. That could change at the state level, he said, if Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would sign an agreement with the feds.
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. . . state and local law enforcement have no authority to enforce immigration laws. That could change at the state level, he said, if Gov. Timothy M. Kaine would sign an agreement with the feds.
So, it may just be a matter of having the correct legal system in place.
2. The killing of these two teenagers is a tragedy! We have enough American citizens who drive drunk and kill us, why are we exercising so much patience with illegal individuals who come into our country and commit horrible crimes?
I don't know if we have patience with those who commit horrible crimes, but "we" (the system) do seem to have patience with those who remain under the radar. It's a difficult problem to fix, when the labor of illegal immigrants is so useful to so many businesses. No, I don't think American is under attack by a swarm of dangerous criminals; but the system for dealing with illegal immigrants could certainly be better.
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