We learn that the 3 students executed in Newark were killed by illegal aliens – with records. Newark is a “Sanctuary City”

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,292717,00.html

A cop is killed in Washington by another illegal alien.

“WASHINGTON – Charged with molesting a 12-year-old girl, Juan Leonardo Qunitero had been deported back to Mexico in 1999 as an illegal alien. Nevertheless, last week, he was back in the U.S., living comfortably in a city that prohibited police from asking anyone about their immigration status.
Rodney Johnson was a 12-year veteran on the Houston police force. Married with five children, he was big, kind-hearted and unafraid of working the toughest gang beats or late-night shifts.
On Thursday, Sept. 21, around 5:30 p.m., he pulled over a white Ford pickup driving 50 mph in a 30 mph zone in what should have been a routine traffic stop. The driver, Quintero, had neither a driver's license nor any other identification so, after a pat down, Johnson handcuffed him and placed him in the back of his patrol car. But Johnson missed the gun in Quintero's waistband. The prisoner pulled it out and fired four times at Johnson at close range.”
http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=52198

Questions for the debate:
Do you agree that cities can declare themselves “Sanctuary Cities”? Why?
Should the Federal Government step in? Can they?
Could terrorists take advantage of these cities to set up sleeper cells in the US?

Illegal immigrants are a slice of population. Obviously, some elements in that slice will be criminals. What is so strange about it? The best way to reduce number of crimes comitted by the residents of Bronx, NY is to reduce the population of Bronx by half.

Do you agree that cities can declare themselves “Sanctuary Cities”? Why?

Cities do not declare themselves "Sanctuary Cities" - this is a new catchphrase from Fox News. But, whatever way they call it, I agree that it is not a job for local police force to enforce national immigration policies.


Could terrorists take advantage of these cities to set up sleeper cells in the US?

Umm, yes. The way that question asked, it is impossible to answer "no". Everything is possible. Likely? Not really... The overwhelming majority of illegal immigrants are hispanics, which means they have very little to do with Islam.

So on top of the criminals that are born here you seem to be ok with allowing in killers who are illegal aliens. I would be willing to bet that the legal immegrants who wait in line for years to get in have a far lower criminal offence rate.

And you are right the best way to limit this is to stop all illegal aliens from coming in thus reducing the “population” – as you say.




PLEASE – when a city government goes on record saying they will not question the immigration status of anyone including criminals what does this tell those who want to be in the country illegally and safe? And just an FYI many localities are making it the job of their police to question the immigration status of criminals and suspected criminals.
And before you label FOX (as usual) check out Lou Dobbs on CNN.





Yes and if you look Hispanic you can easily get in the US and stay in a city like SF or New Haven that you know will never question your immigration status. My hope is that if/when we are hit through this rout that one of the “sanctuary cities” pays the price and not anywhere else.

“Counterterrorism authorities have come to fear that the porous U.S.-Mexico border provides entry into the United States, not only for illegal aliens, but for Islamic terrorists as well.

And these same Islamic terrorists may also be using Mexico as the conduit to bring nuclear devices into the U.S. for a WMD attack. These are among the chilling disclosure from Paul L. Williams, author of the just-released book "The Day of Islam: The Annihilation of America and the Western World."
According to Williams, al-Qaida has already hatched plans to smuggle nuclear materials across the Mexican border and use them for a mammoth simultaneous attack on several large U.S. cities.

Al-Qaida and other terrorist groups began infiltrating Mexico in the days after 9/11. By 2003, Canadian intelligence officials and Interpol told Mexican President Vincente Fox that al-Qaida had established several cells in Mexico to prepare for the next terrorist attacks, Williams tells readers. “
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2...4700.shtml?s=tn

This makes even less sense than English Horn pointed out.

At what point would the ability to ask for someone's immigration status have even been useful in this situation?

Especially the last one, he was handcuffed for Pete's sake, poorly I must imagine. I've been cuffed (don't ask ) unless the officer made some serious error, it should have been physically impossible to shoot anything.

...but even the first, if this person has a record in this country than what else are we supposed to do. The street cops may not need to know his immigration status but so what?

He was indicted on forty charges (31 for the rape, 9 for the bar fight) why was he even free?!

This whole thread illustrates the danger of yellow journalism more than sanctuary cities.

Anyone can commit a violent crime it doesn't make a lick of difference what their immigration status is.

The point is why are they in this country at all. We KNOW our criminal justice system is a mess and dumps criminals back on the street time and again so why on earth would we want even more of them in the US illegally. Why on earth do we want them here taking lives and when working taking jobs from the poor and minorities – TELL me please because I don’t get it turnea.

Because they are not significantly more likely to commit violent crime than anyone else.

If our justice system is broken, fix it, but this has nothing to do with illegal immigration.

Nice try but you duck the question. By definition if we let more illegal aliens in we have more crime – so why do it?

The question is should cities be allowed to encourage illegal immigration by decalring they will not try to apprehend illegal aliens even if they are criminals.

And they are more likely to commit violent crime “than anyone else”.


“Some of the most violent criminals at large today are illegal aliens. Yet in cities where the crime these aliens commit is highest, the police cannot use the most obvious tool to apprehend them: their immigration status. In Los Angeles, for example, dozens of members of a ruthless Salvadoran prison gang have sneaked back into town after having been deported for such crimes as murder, assault with a deadly weapon, and drug trafficking. Police officers know who they are and know that their mere presence in the country is a felony. Yet should a cop arrest an illegal gangbanger for felonious reentry, it is he who will be treated as a criminal, for violating the LAPD’s rule against enforcing immigration law.
The LAPD’s ban on immigration enforcement mirrors bans in immigrant-saturated cities around the country, from New York and Chicago to San Diego, Austin, and Houston. These “sanctuary policies” generally prohibit city employees, including the cops, from reporting immigration violations to federal authorities.”
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html