BoF as an educator you have GOT to have seen a schoolyard taunt of "You're a fag," "He's a faggot," etc. I mean, come on. No one is ever going to accuse Coulter of being nice, but for Pete's Sake it's more than possible to use the word faggot satirically. I'm not even defending her on that point. In the simply, black & white definition, she lied about Gore(?) being a "total faggot." To me it seemed like a slip remark more than a statement of fact. But whatever.

At the end of the day what she says sells books, it doesn't make laws.

Of course, I've heard that both as a child and as a teacher patroling the playground. That does not mean it's excusible in an adult(?) with a law degree like Coulter. It was both an untruth and offensive to a good many people.

Maybe people will get wise and quit buying her books, but with the people who run Sam's, Walmart, etc. peeing their pants waiting for her latest release, I doubt it.

I'm not sure exactly what the comment about Sam's and Walmart are, hopefully you were talking about Sam's/Walmart management and not their consumers. Who doesn't go to Sams?

Anywho- I think the funniest thing is that people make a thread about something Coulter says, when Micheal Moore actually lies. He actually, out and out lies. At least what Coulter says is just an off-color op-ed piece.

If Ann Coulter says "Edwards is a fag", she's talking about the fact that he acts like a fruit. You all know it. It's not meant to be taken literally. The fact that people call her a liar about "opionated rants" is silly and juvenile. At least she's not making movies like Syriana (Hollywood is a joke).

Seriously. She's a pundit. She's a taller and easier on the eyes Rush, who happens to sometimes make sense by using language that you might hear at the gym or in a bar. So what? Don't read her books. At least the majority of what she says isn't a 100% fabrication like some contemporary liberal heroes of the day.

You are nearing your 30's aevans176 Why don't you try adult English?



Ah, shift the blame. When it's race you do it with Jackson and Sharpton. When it's lying you shift the attention to Moore.

Nice Karl Rove diversionary tactic. Sorry, but, it doesn't work anymore - or should I write "anywho"?

BOF, your whole post centers on insulting me. This board is called "America's debate". Not "say things that mimic 10 year olds on the monkey bars.

How do you feel about the notion that the same people who defend Micheal Moore get up in arms about Coulter? Is one more or less factual than the other? (hint- Moore's movies are chock full of intentional inaccuracies)

Why are her statements so interesting of a topic on America's debate, while other pundits don't get the same attention?

Well, why don't you start a thread about these other pundits, rather than distracting from this one? It's not that hard.

Has Coulter reached a new low, or is this incident the same as all the others?

No new low to see here, just picking up new groups to offend.

Will this be the last nail in the Coulter outrageousness coffin, i.e., will this put an end to her seemingly never-ending invitations for interviews (especially on MSNBC affiliates)? Or is MSNBC so enamored of her they will continue to let her vent on the airwaves?

I doubt it. She just wasn't tongue in cheek a la Colbert. To many Christians, everyone would be better off converting to Christianity so they wouldn't have to be sad about everyone going to hell and all. She just has a knack for being nasty about everything.

I'd say this is just another reason to ignore her.

Others that would be best ignired

Michael Jackson, Paris Hilton, Lindsay Lohan, Anna Nicole's baby, Don Imus etc

But then we'd all have to focus on real issues.

As I posted in the beginning of the thread. Pg 2

““Prof Dr Colonel Retired) K Prabhakar Rao
The aspect of conversions by various religions has always been controversial in the world. Hatred between certain societies in the world has been the outcome of this phenomenon. Inspite of modernity and dawn of scientific age and growth of scientific education in all corners of the world, the desire to spread the religions across various societies has not been eliminated and is being pursued with vigor too. Out of the important religions that are being practiced in the world today, Christianity and Islam are the active religious groups that are proselyte and are trying to expand their faith. Christianity from the beginning was a missionary religion and Islam did not lag behind either. Buddhism too is a missionary religion while Hinduism and Sikhism did not pursue this policy in vigor and remained passive. In fact Sikhism did not take up missionary activities. Most of the scholars claim that Hinduism has no missionary zeal although in ancient times Hindu princes invaded Malayan peninsula and established Hindu kingdoms.
Proselyting by religions can be basically due to the provisions in the scriptures that command and prescribe that the message of revelations from God should be spread around. In all these statements if made in any scripture, the intentions are really good and made with aim of guiding the human beings on the right path.”
http://faithcommons.org/should_religions_t..._convert_others


Ya there are plenty of liars out there Coulter not being even close to real liars like Teddy K imo.

But regardless she knows her religion and was not speaking out of turn – just the “party line” which if you are a Christian you would have heard from time to time. No big deal.

Christianity is a rather large theological umbrella. Coulter's take on Jews is not universally accepted throughout the Christian community - just certain more vocal segments.

ooooooook so she then is not the monster after all just part of a “Christian Community” and her remark was not at all out of line.

She didn’t “do it again – omg” she just gave a religious opinion shared by millions – how dare she!

I don't see how we can debate this without getting into religious discussion, but I don't think she represents mainstream Christianity. Nice attempt to twist words.

I see the "Ted Report" now has a late edition.

Has she gone too far? Yes, for the 100th time in the last several years. As a Conservative I say she does a great disservice to Republicans, Conservatives and Christians in general. But I suppose we need our own Al Franken's.

Well, I don't think we need them, but we certainly have them and Ann Coulter has most definitely become one. She's a "shock jock" who writes "shock jock" books that call people names, but really do nothing to contribute to the debate of the issues of the day. I'm tired of her and I wish she would just go away, but she won't. She's like an ex-wife. You can end a marriage, but you can't ever end a divorce. The ex just keeps hanging around, doing everything they can to make your life miserable. Best thing to do is ignore them, and I think that's probably the best thing to do with Ann Coulter.

Thank goodness I never married her.


Aquilla

I guess as one of those 'non-perfect types' I should be offended, but I am not. Why? Well because I can only hang my head and say that ignorance is bliss which is why she is so happy.

Every group has people like Ann Coulter who makes one want to deny that they even exist, but they do and those are the ones that people remember. She has made herself the 'poster child' of the Christian right.

I will say to Aquilla - Amen.

People like Ann Coulter are perverse characters. They are stubborn, stupid and small-minded. They have fixed opinions about everything (which, more often than not, are not right), and never change their mind about anything; for nothing can convince them that they are wrong. Their principal character traits are arrogance and intolerance. They are egocentric; they care not for the greater good, but only for themselves. Indeed, they would (if they could) have the world ordered to their own liking. They are greedy, stingy and meanspirited. They are inflexible; and, likewise, they never compromise, and always insist on having everything their way. There is no dealing with them. Such persons are stumbling blocks in the road of life, and are best avoided.

Actually, I don't think you see anything of the sort and are just making things up. That's my thinking about AC, the JWs and all the other evangelical cults, especially those that like to yammer on and on about secular humanists.

Oh well, it's a free country. Believe what you will despite any factual evidence. Oh my, I am soooo ballistic over AC that I think I'll eat a couple of oatmeal cookies. There, that ought to fix her wagon

That’s right “you don’t think” – I have heard he speak and she is obviously a religious Christian. So no we cannot “debate this” without considering that since, as I have pointed out, it completely explains her remarks. I am not twisting words you are.


What am I making up? That Christian doctrine has conversion as a goal? This is no “cult either” as my reference pointed out above.

Try again – enjoy the cookie.

Who knows what Ann Coulter the person thinks about anything, and who cares? It is not Ann Coulter the person, but "Ann Coulter" the cultural phenomenon that is worthy of discussion. You have this mere person, one Ann Coulter, mouthing these absurd, over-the-top, and by any account, apallingly rude statements, which nevertheless are well-crafted to arouse the enthusiasm of a certain type of person on the political right. "She" is also writing books to the same end. The whole phenomenon; the commentary; the books; the enthusiasm; that's what needs looking at.

And this phenomenon is deeply revelatory of the foundations of what are these days called "conservative" political beliefs. It's not real conservatism in the style of Taft or Eisenhower, of course. It's a sort of weird social pathology, deeply grounded in contempt for others and for the human condition in general, and at the same time profoundly hostile to any suggestion that that condition might be improved. And since everyone -- certainly everyone who thinks things just might be made better -- is corrupt, what's the use of trying? So the politics of contempt turns out to be the politics of doing nothing; firmly grounded in the belief that however terrible this world may be, there is no way to make it any better. Which is to say, it is the politics of the servile poor and lower middle classes. Ironically, these are the same people who have the most to gain from far-reaching change: progressive taxation, single-payer health care, strong public education and the like. But for people of a certain frame of mind servility, and the associated desire to be proud of one's servile lot, however meager it might be, is deeply attractive.

Just look here at the defenses that have been offered for "Ann Coulter's" comments, and correlate these with the other remarks these people have made in other threads. I don't think the partisans of these points of view understand quite how much of their own unfortunate psychology is shown in their defense of "Ann Coulter." But I am laughing at it all, nonetheless. I wish that there would be ten "Ann Coulters" that these people -- and not only in this forum -- could solemnly rise to the defense of. It has been particularly funny that the profoundly contemptuous "Ann Coulter" is thought of as Christian, while the message of Jesus was, almost certainly, that one's fellow human beings should be embraced, and unfortunates be given succor.



You may disagree with Al Franken, but I'm not aware that his soul is so thoroughly consumed with contempt as Ann Coulter's seems to be. In fact if you listen to what he says, contempt doesn't really shine forth from it, not at all.

If it walks like a cult, talks like a cult and recruits like a cult, it's a cult. Not all Christian versions are out to convert the world, just the evangelicals. I've never had a Lutheran come to my door or stop me in the street to preach at me. Haven't heard any Methodists blaming gay people for natural disasters either. Nor Presbyterians, maybe some of the more far-out Baptists. No Ahmish or Quakers. Certainly not Unitarians, although some have invited me to their services and with respect. Even my childhood Catholicism indoctrination did not call for actively recruiting new Catholics, and that's one of the most arrogant religions on Earth.

Without getting into deep theological principles, I'll just say this: mustard seeds. They don't always take root, nor should they. Or doesn't AC know about that yet? I imagine she doesn't. Ergo, she doesn't know what she's talking about.

I'd like to take Ann Coulter out for a meal. Maybe a couple meals. Actually, maybe I could take her to all-you-can-eat Lard 'n Sausage Fest or something. She looks like she could really use it.

And I'm not saying she's anorexic. I mean, it's obvious that all her money goes to paying for hair extensions and female hormone injections. I do hope plastic surgery's next on the list for her---she looks like she should be in that starting gate at the Belmont.

But to get somewhat back to the topic at hand: she's not a Christian. She can say she's a Christian all she wants, but hate is not a Christian principle, and she is the embodiment of hatred and all things vile. She is what makes the divide deeper between people of different beliefs, and she is what makes a chance for civil debate almost an impossibility. Those who presume to speak for God---they are the ones I'm sure will be punished most harshly in the afterlife, if there is one. Not to mention, she's never been married---do you think she's a virgin? I mean, if she's such a good Christian, she's never had sex outside of marriage, right? Ah, I'm getting off topic. Anyway...

And she lies. She totally, totally lies.

I would never, ever say what you said about any woman with whom I disagreed. I hope you can take another look at what you wrote and see why.

This will be one of my nominations for best replies. Way to go Dayna! Veva Viagra!

Oh come now carlito.. Coulter is one woman who has surely paved her own ways for the acceptance of Ad hominem attacks.

Even if I would talk about a woman like that, I would never say those things here on AD. Responding to "is she wrong?" with "she is ugly" or "she's a man" is not the kind of argument I come here for.

Okay. I'll answer this seriously (though I still stand by my remarks---Ms. Coulter makes enough ad hominem comments to justify mine, in my opinion.)

1) I actually think that this particular incident is NOT the worst yet. She has made far more nonsensical and insulting rants in the past, such as when she accused the 9/11 widows of enjoying their husbands deaths. In this case, I believe she is just projecting what she thinks is an appropriate Christian view---that everybody should be Christian. Well, fine. That's her opinion. I think, however, that if I were a Christian, I would still not want to subject everybody to my Christianity. Trying to show people "the way", in a respectful manner without being annoying, is okay in my book. But insisting on prayer in school and other things---that's taking it too far. Calling Jews "imperfect"---stupid and uppity, but it is just a belief. It didn't appear that she was trying to lobby for some law to be passed saying everybody had to become fundamentalists or something.

2) Nah. She's so controversial, the interviews will never end. Even people who hate her will still watch her, because it's like watching a train wreck. You can't tear your eyes (or ears) away from the monumental ignorance that flows from her fountain of poison. Plus, as an added bonus, her uber-conservative views on things like gay marriage, abortion and other things all add up to a fan base consisting of fundamentalists who listen to her because she's telling them what they want to hear. They're willing to overlook the fact that she's so hateful because of that fact. It's really sad. If I were a fundamentalist, or even the least bit religious, I would not want to listen to someone so hateful, no matter how many views we had in common.

I disagree (see below) but who cares if she is “evangelical” or mainstream – what she said cannot be taken out of this context and used against her. PERIOD. Going dodr to door is only an aggressiver version of the doctrine.

I disagree with her often but this statement is clearly not in the “hate” category – not close.

Abstract
John Chrysostom, the “golden-mouthed” preacher of late-fourth-century Antioch and Constantinople, proclaimed the Christian faith in many hundreds of homilies that have come down to us. These were not theological treatises, but expositions of scripture and exhortations to the ordinary church member to live the Christian life. Across this corpus a solid underlying theology can be discerned: in particular, a complex and evocative doctrine of conversion.
Chrysostom preached that conversion happens to us because of God's gracious gift of salvation in Christ: yet it must be lived in the life of the particular believer. What God has initiated in grace must now be established in works of righteousness.

Individual Christians, then, becomes witnesses in word and deed, working for the salvation of their neighbors, and seeing their own salvation established in that same process. Thus a person is simultaneously evangelizer and evangelizee, converted and being converted.
http://escholarship.bc.edu/dissertations/AAI3008901/

Yep, that makes sense among Christians and should remain in the Christian community. I do get your point that AC might have been trying to say something like this. She did not. In fact, she rather munged the job by becoming condescending to those of other faiths -- Jewish and certainly Muslim. That's the danger in this philosophical stance and pretty much train-wrecks conversion on both ends. Arrogance takes the place of humility. Wrongheaded notions like "perfection" creep in. It's not surprising though. Happens all the time. That's why one encounters these people all full of themselves wishing to convert, but what if you've been there and done that?

Guess you're supposed to help in the conversion of the other who has taken the arrogant turn. Tried that last time in my own encounter with evangelicals, and maybe it worked. But there are mustard seeds, you know? And some ground is just too hard. Seems that's where AC is. The ground where I threw my seeds seemed too wet with ego.

Somebody throw AC a lifeline! She's rapidly sinking. It is, after all, Christian duty to other Christians after they have *voluntarily* converted. Forcing conversion by war, genocide or bloody inquisition has proved itself false christianity. I get the definite impression that AC wants war, genocide and bloody inquisitions. It's frightening to note that so many agree with her still.

I suppose I could question her Christianity on fundamental grounds, such as not being married, having a career, dating Bill Maher. But her arrogance says it all.

She should probably give everything away and live in poverty for a while. But that's for her to decide.

It is said that the Devil can quote Scripture; which, if true, one can be certain that politicians - and self-proclaimed pundits like Ann Coulter - will make perverse use of the Bible. These so-called “Evangelical Christians” represent the glorification of form over substance. They profess true faith, but fall far short in its practice. They give you words - "airy nothings" - when deeds, not words, are needed. They are not true Christians, and they make a mockery of Christ's teachings. They are the bane of goodness, and would pray their way to heaven on credit than pay with good works. They are pious frauds. Theirs is a particularly obnoxious form of hypocrisy that pretends to scruples while abusing them without shame.

Pretty accurate Nemo.

I sometimes think Coulter and her ilk confuse "pray" with "prey."

Coulter's "prey," of course, are the mindless blobs who gobble up her books.

I tend to agree with you and I am especially adverse to anyone trying to “convert” me – the Jahova Witnesses come by my hose periodically and I am polite but cut them off relatively quickly.

This need to convert seems to be a failing of Christianity and Islam – and has lead to the deaths of perhaps millions. To me the idea that one religion is “right” and all other “wrong” and not being “right” gets you a ticket to hell is nonsense. Buddhists and Hindus just offer their beliefs while accepting others – this is imo the right way.


Yes AC is far to cocky and strident for me and many others. So are a lot of others from the opposite political persuasion though. IMO if you add them all up the grand total in exactly 0.

Coulter and "look at me!" and drink stirring-straw statements, I would've never guessed. Her explanation is pretty straight forward, from the RAW story link:



News outlets talking about theology shouldn't be surprised. The whole topic is rather subjectie really, are we to punish her in some way for viewing her opinion, a religious one at that? This whol controversy is unlike anything that Imus or Jimmy the Greek said.

The JW is active in my little community and I got one visit from them about a year ago. Told them a little fib -- said we were Buddhists. Stopped them short.

Well, I am Buddhist, sort of. I've read some stuff and agree with it, but it's not in my nature to embrace rituals created by others for some unknown reason and mindlessly repeated with the hope that someone who counts pays attention.

Maybe next time I'll come to the door with a burning candle for the Virgen de Guadalupe. They sell them in Wal*Mart.

Anyway, Ann Coulter. Just to keep on subject.

When they came to my house I told em any religion that thought Sister teresa was going to hell had to be dead wrong. That stopped em cold as well.

I like Buddhism too – try Zen though – more to the point. By the way there is no personal “god” in Buddhism.

Sin any case AC is over the top for me and lots of other conservatives. That said the left has their crew of similar folks as well. Oh well.

Two JH's came to my door Halloween morning. I went to the door, looked at them and said, "no." That worked, too. They said "ok" and left.

Did you by chance mean Mother Teresa?

Yes I did.

BTW: Ann Coulter does not claim any particular denomination. She seems to be a generic "Christian," so how have the JH's got into this thread.



http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ann_Coulter#Religious_views