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How lawful are you? This question is inspired by reading various books on fantasy. When I say lawful what I am asking for instance is how much would you do for your fellow man not for reward or compensation? There is a broad spectrum of examples to this question, for instance did you ever enlist to serve or protect a nation? Do you participate in charity of any kind really? I think living for just ones self is the opposite in many ways of lawful, of course in which such a society I think could only suffer on so long if it does not at least respect liberty, which again goes back to the lawful relationship with any civil being that defines the very word, or its environmental in basis. Not as in being green but its hard to have lawful behavior among rocks, its more or less human to human interaction.
Many could see various religion figures as being lawful in purpose, being there goal was to aid human to human problems, the problem with that is what is human? So in that you already can find that justice is blind by default and virtue. Its even more appearance in that large systems of law exist around ill treatment of other people by people who then act unlawfully. My question is how far can you go then trying to act lawfully when like many human issues concise definition can become more or less open to subjective swaying of political or civil winds? So how lawful are you then?
I find the concept of being green highly lawful, not only in context with how the natural world seems to operate but in the reality of how our behavior impacts such a system of systems. Many though of course would disagree even on moral grounds, so what this means is people can see justice completely different. Which goes all back to being a symptom almost of being that human, or the elusive concrete definition of what lawful or just even is really.
So in my rant I am left to think of a circus like setting which places temporal appeasement to various forms of behavior that then retain an morphological basis in the environment, say from living in the dark ages to modern America and the history of just or lawful behavior. So again how lawful are you and how can you really measure such as being truly objective.
1) What do you think is lawful behavior, do you actually practice such?
2) What is the most lawful system humans have devised in your opinion?
3) What is your idea of the most lawful person, is it W bush, Clinton, Jesus, Buddha, Darwin, etc…
4) Pleas explain the qualities for your answer in three you favor so much.
Many could see various religion figures as being lawful in purpose, being there goal was to aid human to human problems, the problem with that is what is human? So in that you already can find that justice is blind by default and virtue. Its even more appearance in that large systems of law exist around ill treatment of other people by people who then act unlawfully. My question is how far can you go then trying to act lawfully when like many human issues concise definition can become more or less open to subjective swaying of political or civil winds? So how lawful are you then?
I find the concept of being green highly lawful, not only in context with how the natural world seems to operate but in the reality of how our behavior impacts such a system of systems. Many though of course would disagree even on moral grounds, so what this means is people can see justice completely different. Which goes all back to being a symptom almost of being that human, or the elusive concrete definition of what lawful or just even is really.
So in my rant I am left to think of a circus like setting which places temporal appeasement to various forms of behavior that then retain an morphological basis in the environment, say from living in the dark ages to modern America and the history of just or lawful behavior. So again how lawful are you and how can you really measure such as being truly objective.
1) What do you think is lawful behavior, do you actually practice such?
2) What is the most lawful system humans have devised in your opinion?
3) What is your idea of the most lawful person, is it W bush, Clinton, Jesus, Buddha, Darwin, etc…
4) Pleas explain the qualities for your answer in three you favor so much.
1) What do you think is lawful behavior, do you actually practice such?
Well if the thread is inspired by fantasy lawful I will blend that into my definition. Lawful is an adjective in D&D games for good, neutral, or evil. This implies that is is value-less in terms of moral philosophy.
To me lawful is behaving in such a way as to obey the rules of society. In my lawful code, Thoreau, Tolstoy, Gandhi, and MLK Jr. have a lawful system of disobeying the laws to arrive at greater justice.
Do I practice lawfulness. Yes I do. And I do it more because I am a teacher and I high school students are so sensitive to hypocrisy and equal treatment (they call it fairness) I also strive more toward the ideal because I am a parent for the same reasons. Additionally I am lawful because the consequences of not being so are not worth it, when earlier in life they were.
I would perhaps break more laws (tax, drinking/driving, drug use, speeding) but I do not have, what the Jude Law character in the disappointing movie, Breaking and Entering described as "the criminal mind" I am not looking for the loophole to the rules. I do not want to violate the national tax structure, I don't want to profit from the black market, I don't harbor fantasies about a bank heist. My lawlessness, even when I practiced it was more about pleasure seeking recreational behavior and living in a long distance world in a 55 speed limit reality.
I have become older than the drinking age and I ceased doing anything expect for Paisley (horrible inside joke that really doesn't mean anything) and the speed limit has increased to the point where I take a five mile an hour little bit extra on long trips but hold the limits faithfully by schools and in neighborhoods.
I am lawful mostly because it is in my nature and not because I am on a great crusade. I would in the right situation use my lawfulness to fight injustice.
2) What is the most lawful system humans have devised in your opinion?
3) What is your idea of the most lawful person, is it W bush, Clinton, Jesus, Buddha, Darwin, etc…
To me it is Gandhi. While he broke laws, he did this inside a legl structure and strove to improve laws for society.
While he reformed, he understood that lawful behavior was the key to a peaceful society.
Well if the thread is inspired by fantasy lawful I will blend that into my definition. Lawful is an adjective in D&D games for good, neutral, or evil. This implies that is is value-less in terms of moral philosophy.
To me lawful is behaving in such a way as to obey the rules of society. In my lawful code, Thoreau, Tolstoy, Gandhi, and MLK Jr. have a lawful system of disobeying the laws to arrive at greater justice.
Do I practice lawfulness. Yes I do. And I do it more because I am a teacher and I high school students are so sensitive to hypocrisy and equal treatment (they call it fairness) I also strive more toward the ideal because I am a parent for the same reasons. Additionally I am lawful because the consequences of not being so are not worth it, when earlier in life they were.
I would perhaps break more laws (tax, drinking/driving, drug use, speeding) but I do not have, what the Jude Law character in the disappointing movie, Breaking and Entering described as "the criminal mind" I am not looking for the loophole to the rules. I do not want to violate the national tax structure, I don't want to profit from the black market, I don't harbor fantasies about a bank heist. My lawlessness, even when I practiced it was more about pleasure seeking recreational behavior and living in a long distance world in a 55 speed limit reality.
I have become older than the drinking age and I ceased doing anything expect for Paisley (horrible inside joke that really doesn't mean anything) and the speed limit has increased to the point where I take a five mile an hour little bit extra on long trips but hold the limits faithfully by schools and in neighborhoods.
I am lawful mostly because it is in my nature and not because I am on a great crusade. I would in the right situation use my lawfulness to fight injustice.
2) What is the most lawful system humans have devised in your opinion?
3) What is your idea of the most lawful person, is it W bush, Clinton, Jesus, Buddha, Darwin, etc…
To me it is Gandhi. While he broke laws, he did this inside a legl structure and strove to improve laws for society.
While he reformed, he understood that lawful behavior was the key to a peaceful society.
What do you think is lawful behavior, do you actually practice such?
It's a broad question, but an important one.
Borders first.
Law is any general consistently enforced code of conduct.
Enforcement is key as it distinguishes law from social order or mores.
There are different types of law as defined by both the source and application of the code.
Many outlaws like Gandhi or MLK operated according to what they believed to be a godly law. Which according to them was enforced far more vigorously than any secular law.
In any case lawful behavior is any behavior in keeping with an enforced code of conduct.
Under no law am I absolutely law abiding, but I'm more or less lawful.
As my view of law is so basic as to not place any inherent value on lawfulness the other questions will be difficult.
No such thing as "most" lawful unless one first designates which law they are talking about.
It's a broad question, but an important one.
Borders first.
Law is any general consistently enforced code of conduct.
Enforcement is key as it distinguishes law from social order or mores.
There are different types of law as defined by both the source and application of the code.
Many outlaws like Gandhi or MLK operated according to what they believed to be a godly law. Which according to them was enforced far more vigorously than any secular law.
In any case lawful behavior is any behavior in keeping with an enforced code of conduct.
Under no law am I absolutely law abiding, but I'm more or less lawful.
As my view of law is so basic as to not place any inherent value on lawfulness the other questions will be difficult.
No such thing as "most" lawful unless one first designates which law they are talking about.
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