Scubatim- since the quotes are so long, I didn't use the quote option- so bear with me please-

1) Yes, I feel very confident in calling BO a bully. One incident doesn't make a bully- it is a pattern of behavior. Have you watched BOs shows? Bully would be the kindest thing to call him. He browbeats and turns off the mike during opposing viewpoint so he can yell at them or ask them impossible questions without allowing any decent replies. I have seen it for myself- that is the heart of the BO show- he simply bullies all opposing viewpoint commentators, so he can promote his own viewpoints- there is no balance whatsoever. I am not saying he just gives them hard questions- he asks the question, then doesn't allow them to speak, while yelling over them "you just want the terrorists to win"- that would be a "bully".

2) He finally ran into someone that is bigger than him and, intentionally or not, called him on his boorish behavior, by not taking any of BOs crap.

3) Inadvertanly or not- the staffer is not impending any first amendment rights in any way. Even more importantly- it appears to me that, during this time, BO was the only press person really trying to get in the face of Obama- I don't see a crush of press people, just regular people. BO just tried to push past the rest of humanity there- in other words, shoving and pushing his way through a crowd- being a bully to everyone, using his own physical size to intimidate or push past others wanting to see Obama. It didn't work, so BO attempted to shove him.

4) You will note the comments by the staffer- he had NEVER had this happen to him- this was his second campaign.

5) If you are shoved, and feel someone is getting physically abusive or hostile to you- there will be no charges filed if you retaliate, in a more aggressive manner- this means one punch will not get you into legal trouble. If you happen to be pretty good at landing one good punch- my experiance is that guys this big are horrible fighters actually - and you broke BO's jaw- you would not see a day in jail, depending on which state's laws you are dealing with- and would most likely not be charged, and looking at the vids, most likely any civil case would fail as well, once again, depending on local statutes and such. If he were to "monkey stomp" the guy- he would have some problems, it would be funny, I always like to see a bully get stomped- but the staffer would probably not be covered. You can pretty much kill somebody and get away with it in many cases- ESPECIALLY if you are officially some kind of bodyguard or security- it has been very hard to get convictions in serious injury criminal cases. In fact, we had about 8 bouncers locally have no criminal or civil repurcussions after killing a patron that was physically acting out- though much more serious than anything are talking about here- you would be suprised to see how far the self defense goes in courts, when it is proven that the original person has physically acted out.

6) I agree that any physical retaliation by the staffer would harm Obama, not help him. I think it is a crying shame, that these paparazzi type can't be assaulted for fun and profit- like those that stalk celebrity and politicans anywhere- I do think they should be allowed to be beaten up if then get within 5 feet or so of your person, as any closer than that is physical intimidation from what I have seen. I was at a club in once where Tom Cruise and his then wife Niccole Kidman when the paparazzi that tails them ALWAYS were at the door of the Improv, waiting for them to leave, and had stationed themselves at all exists as well. The way they got the lens within one foot of the actor's face I thought would make me go into defensive behavior as well. The way the paparrazi violates thier personal space, and they way they have to be completely surrounded by bodyguards just to keep them arms length crosses the line from free speech into physical behavior, and it needs to be legilstated- i,e,- we need some laws here people!


7) Faux news is so biased and propaganda jingo-isms and purposeful "mistakes" - like repeatedly calling Obama "Osama"- - I guess between Al-Jazeera and Faux, Al-Jazeera is the more fair and balanced station. But that is my subjective opinion. Besides, it is a good way to identify the clueless by those people that only use Faux for their news sources. LIke those folks I know that believe Obama is a muslim plant of AQ.

8) Yes, the first amendment does cover the "counter-protestor"- what makes you think that it does? Here is a group that organized ONLY for that purpose- counter-acting the free speech that the Rev Phelps spews forth:
http://www.patriotguard.org/

It would be completely legal for me to go around blocking Faux cameras as a form of protest at every public event. If you had a number of members, you could do it very effectively. Simply hold up pot leaf signs, or profanity, next to every shot they want to make- stand in the way of every person that faux tries to shoot, holding up a placard that says something like "faux sucks"- I would send money to that organization!

These are getting so long that I will only quote the each point that I respond to in order to save space.


Since it is his show, and I don't think he himself claims that his show is balanced, but I don't watch the blow-hard, so you would have to check a different source. Given the fact that he gets large audiences is why Fox puts him on, not because he is more intelligent than anyone else, or is more balanced. He draws a crowd for being a blow-hard. You yourself give Fox higher ratings by watching his show. Is he a bully, I will take your word for it.


And displayed his own. Two wrongs must make a right.


I will have to ask you to provide the video that shows him "shoving and pushing his way through a crowd- being a bully to everyone, using his own physical size to intimidate or push past others wanting to see Obama" as I must have missed that one.


Oh, well that changes everything. Of course he is ok for intentionally singling out one camera and blocking it's ability to cover the speech.


So if you push me down, and I break my wrist, I can come back and instead of retaliating and causing physical harm (I think would be considered taking the law into your own hands, or illegal) I can shoot you? I mean, if I feel threatened because you pushed me down, I can "retaliate, in a more aggressive manner", right?


Any legal statutes you would like to use to support this claim? I am not a lawyer, and most people here aren't, so what you are saying would not be considered common knowledge. Personally, I think that since O'Reilly didn't pose an immediate threat to anyone, breaking his jaw would be a little extreme, but that is just me.


The staffer is now a bodyguard? What the hell are we paying the Secret Service for then?


Now we advocate physical assult? That isn't very compassionate.


It must be Fox News that keeps telling the world that Obama is a Muslim plant of AQ. What an intelligent statement. Just because the talk show hosts are conservative, does that make the news any more biased than any other news? Sure, Hannity, O'Reilly, Hume may be conservative, but I don't see any more bias in the actual news that is reported than that of CNN or MSNBC. But that might just be me.


They are counter protestors, but they are not stopping the wackos from protesting.


I bet you would.

But it is the staffer we should be talking about since he actively blocked the camera man from getting the shot. He was more than “in the way”

Tough! That just breaks my heart. Maybe the seemingly clueless Bill O'Reilly thought Obama was Irish - you know O'Bama.

Perhaps O'Reilly could have won another Peabody for his story on Obama. Oh, wait. He never won a Peabody in the first place. Just a minor "mistake" on his part.

Reviewing the facts:

BO went to a party.

BO didn't like what a party person was doing. The party person was standing in his way. This might have been passive aggression or it might have been a goof.

BO yelled at the party person. That's a fact on tape.

BO pushed the party person. That's a fact on tape.

The party person did not push back, thus there was no fight or gang shooting or anything oh-really. That's a fact on tape.

A security party goer did not tase the bro. That's a fact on tape.

The party person did not press charges for assault.

BO got on the horn right away to defend himself. That's a fact on tape.

BO put the vid (edited) on the air the next day to defend himself. That's a fact on tape.

BO claims he was defending the Constitution. That's a fact on tape.

BO struts about and brags about pushing back. That's a fact on tape.

But BO pushed first. That's in the physical sense and in the assault sense.

And there you go, undeniable evidence that BO is a bully, a wimp, a whiner, a spinner, a fraud and a dope. At least he picked on someone his own size. It really would have looked bad had he pushed someone of his same intellectual stature. I bet there would have been a fist fight.