QUOTE(JohnfrmCleveland @ Feb 1 2008, 08:43 PM)

QUOTE(BaphometsAdvocate @ Feb 1 2008, 03:32 PM)

I dunno Lesly. It's actually sort of difficult to figure out what he's trying to say. One one hand he says we should do this and that other countries might follow when they see that there's an industry behind it. (Before you jump all over me as some kind of Clintonphobe look around - I'm the one correcting people on what they've been saying the past few weeks.)
It seems clear to me - If America can demonstrate (by our actions) that alternative energy, conservation, etc. can be more profitable in the long run than fossil fuels and pollution, then the rest of the world would logically follow. You can't just ask developing countries to cut down on emissions if it is going to cost them badly needed money - but if you could prove that change would be profitable, then they would change.
QUOTE(Bill Clinton)
And maybe America, and Europe, and Japan, and Canada — the rich counties — would say, ‘OK, we just have to slow down our economy and cut back our greenhouse gas emissions ’cause we have to save the planet for our grandchildren.’ We could do that.
But if we did that, you know as well as I do, China and India and Indonesia and Vietnam and Mexico and Brazil and the Ukraine, and all the other countries will never agree to stay poor to save the planet for our grandchildren. The only way we can do this is if we get back in the world’s fight against global warming and prove it is good economics that we will create more jobs to build a sustainable economy that saves the planet for our children and grandchildren. It is the only way it will work.
Yes, that's what I thought he was saying, too. The idea that he's actually endorsing a slow-down in the economy as a solution is frankly as disingenuous as the film poster that quotes a review as saying "Fantastic" when the reviewer actually wrote "I find it completely fantastic that anyone with half a brain would not walk out in disgust at this terrible film after the first five minutes". i.e. It's the opposite of what he was saying.
Is Bill Clinton actually suggesting that "rich" countries slowdown their economies?No - read the quote again. The "we could do that. But if we did.." bit is the giveaway.
Could this gaffe hurt Hillary's campaign? Not really. I think the people likely to take this with the spin that Bill, and by extension Hillary, thinks that recession is a good thing as most likely the people who'd never vote for a Clinton anyway and never has.
Is there a real industry in energy efficiency? Yup. Even at a
very superficial level, most car manufacturers selling to European markets make their cars rather more fuel efficient than comparable American models. America could cut emissions overnight if they wanted to simply by buying the same models that are sold in Europe (usually by the same manufacturers).
And
someone is making money from all the big, rather elegant white windmills (sorry, wind
turbines) that are being put up around the world.
Does winning a prize mean your ideas are irrefutable?Nope. Nobody's ideas are irrefutable. That's why they have to be backed up with some evidence.