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BoF
QUOTE(doomed_planet @ Feb 25 2008, 04:37 PM) *
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I would say there is a big difference between what a teacher (in essence, working for government) and, as you put it, a shock jock getting paid by a television network to make money by bringing in as many viewers as possible. O'Reilly's job isn't that of a teacher. If a viewer decides to take his word as the Gospel, that's on them, the same way it would be if someone were listening to Al Franken.

The best way to not get offended by someone like O'Reilly is to turn the channel.

Your preface, "I would say," indicates that this is your opinion.

Welcome to the club.


Apples and oranges, BoF. There IS a difference between what an employee of the government has to adhere to and what an employee for a capitalist enterprise must adhere to.

Your opinion is based on history of O'Reilly show. What about another guy who also watches the O'Reilly show and finds nothing offensive about the content? Who's right? I guess it depends on who you ask.

I suppose if we want to talk history, we might want to use the word "fraud." I mentioned his claim to winning Peabody Awards. Here's the story on that.

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In February, O'Reilly gave a speech seemingly taking credit for winning a coveted Peabody award while an anchor at the tabloid TV show Inside Edition. After comedian Al Franken pointed out that the show never won a Peabody, O'Reilly retorted, in Mamet-esque syntax (O'Reilly Factor, 3/13/01): "Guy says about me, couple of weeks ago, 'O'Reilly said he won a Peabody Award.' Never said it. You can't find a transcript where I said it."

But on his May 19, 2000 broadcast, he repeatedly told a guest who brought up his tabloid past: "We won Peabody Awards. . . . We won Peabody awards. . . . A program that wins a Peabody Award, the highest award in journalism, and you're going to denigrate it?" (Inside Edition won a Polk Award, not the better-known Peabody, for reporting that was done after O'Reilly left the show--Washington Post, 3/1/01.)

http://www.fair.org/index.php?page=1070

I guess if someone finds a fraud and a liar worth listening to or watching, that's fine, giveup.gif but dishonesty and resume padding turn me off. sour.gif

BTW: Many private companies drug screen applicants and current employees, so it's not so much an apples/oranges thing. NFL players are not exactly government employees. I have no idea if FNC tests.
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Ted
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Questions for debate:

1.)Should FOX News suspend O'Reilly for his comments? Why or why not given the fact that Imus was suspended for his comments?


Luicrous idea.
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2.)Is O'Reilly's appeal to "context" legitimate? Is "lynching" an appropriate term for a public media figure to throw out indiscriminantly?


Why is it not appropriate?

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3.)To what extent should racist references and terms be allowed in public discourse? If we say it's "o.k." then what do we potentially open the door to?


It’s only a racist reference if one makes it into one – as in this case. Is there the slightest evidence that Oreilles is “racist”? Or ever has been?
azwhitewolf
All this talk about the word "lynching" and "Michelle Obama" in the same sentence.

Does anyone here REALLY think BOR was actually talking about hanging her? Is this what we call unacceptable journalism?

BOR has used that terminology before, but nobody noticed because people weren't looking for it. For instance, had he said that about Bill Clinton or Ted Kennedy or John McCain, nobody would bat an eye.

I guess anywhere where you CAN make a connection to racism - even a weak one - you SHOULD. rolleyes.gif

Bill O'Reilly likes to talk dirty to women. But I don't remember him being a racist.

/cue "Faux News" shrieks of disgust
//remember, if you say it enough... it must be true
Danny07
"1.)Should FOX News suspend O'Reilly for his comments? Why or why not given the fact that Imus was suspended for his comments?"

Seriously? Comparing calling a group of young women "n*ppy-headed h*s" with a casual use of the word lynching?

"2.)Is O'Reilly's appeal to "context" legitimate? Is "lynching" an appropriate term for a public media figure to throw out indiscriminantly?"

I would say it was a bit "tasteless" of Bill O, but nothing serious.

"3.)To what extent should racist references and terms be allowed in public discourse? If we say it's "o.k." then what do we potentially open the door to?"

That all depends on who deems what racist. I do not see Bill O as a racist, and there are some who see him as nothing but, and are able to find "race references" and "bigotry" in virtually every single comment he makes. What you find to be racist depends on your own sensitivity. So really, this is just to subjective to try to set standards.
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Seriously? Comparing calling a group of young women "n*ppy-headed h*s" with a casual use of the word lynching?


There isn't anything "casual" about the word. It's a loaded phrase that has a specific connotation, one that shouldn't be thrown liberally around, or in the context of talking about a prominent African-American, let alone, any African-American.

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I would say it was a bit "tasteless" of Bill O, but nothing serious.


It does show that O'Reilly is rigid in his worldview and can't incorporate into his mindset, new information, or information that would contradict his construction of a 1950's America that he dreams of.

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That all depends on who deems what racist. I do not see Bill O as a racist, and there are some who see him as nothing but, and are able to find "race references" and "bigotry" in virtually every single comment he makes. What you find to be racist depends on your own sensitivity. So really, this is just to subjective to try to set standards.


So the "N" word and references to lynching should be thrown around at will because people are too sensitive? Shouldn't there be some standard? Some form of common respect and decency that we all should agree to? At least, in regards to peer pressure on a collective scale-such as what is happening here to O'Reilly.
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So the "N" word and references to lynching should be thrown around at will because people are too sensitive? Shouldn't there be some standard? Some form of common respect and decency that we all should agree to? At least, in regards to peer pressure on a collective scale-such as what is happening here to O'Reilly.


Anyone who heard what he said know the “lynch word” was not used in the context you imply. The fact is he didn’t even think of it.

Do we all have to think of every word and how it has ever been used when talking – when it is as clear as hell what we mean and what we don’t’ mean?

Now contrast this to the raciest hate speech that Mr. Obama didn’t feel badly enough about to leave his church over in 20 years – no comparison is there.
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