Full Version: Student and Bus Driver Brawl
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Again, unnecessary in my opinon. I would drive the bus.
I tend to agree but if the person stood up and walked to the front the driver has no choice but to deal with it since she could not legally drive with her standing.
QUOTE(Ted @ Mar 7 2008, 12:22 PM) 
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Again, unnecessary in my opinon. I would drive the bus.
I tend to agree but if the person stood up and walked to the front the driver has no choice but to deal with it since she could not legally drive with her standing.
Ted, did you even watch the video? The girl was sitting when the bus was pulled over. This girl wasnt running up and down the aisles. It was only after the bus driver pulled the bus over that the girl got out of her seat.
QUOTE(kimpossible @ Mar 7 2008, 01:27 PM)
QUOTE(Ted @ Mar 7 2008, 12:22 PM)
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Again, unnecessary in my opinon. I would drive the bus.
I tend to agree but if the person stood up and walked to the front the driver has no choice but to deal with it since she could not legally drive with her standing.
Ted, did you even watch the video? The girl was sitting when the bus was pulled over. This girl wasnt running up and down the aisles. It was only after the bus driver pulled the bus over that the girl got out of her seat.
Ok. I wasn’t sure she had not come forward at some point before the video we saw started. In that case the driver could have just ignored the idiot and kept going.
AZWW
I can't she did let the one student off. Did you miss the end of the tape? The bigger issue to me is that she would never have been betrayed as a "heartless abandoner" if she would have alllowed the girl off. And that is my point. Just as she is not being hld responible for allowing the whole bus to get off.
Except the behavior is not that dangerous that it requires the bus being pulled off in any event. I understand what you are saying, but remeber, I'm the one being told over and over how we can't use common sense. "Technically the law/school policy states.." you know how that goes. How about she just reports the bad behavior, since there is no emergency??
I'm really trying to adress something here... but i will address yet again a untrue statement.
Those who believe that the student was more right - because the bus driver has NO authority
There is no such group. Everyone is willing to acknowledge the bus driver has the authority to pull over the bus, but again authority to do something doesn't mean it's the right or smart thing to do.
Sit down and shut up?? What kind of bus ride would it be if it had to be in complete silence.
Well that wouldn't be agreeing with me. I don't think hat bus drivers should have the right to kick people out whenever they are misbehaving... that would be a lawsuit ready to happen. I just don't think that if the choice is assault a kid or let them off the bus that assault is the best answer.
And after seeing the tape... are you gonna say I am wrong AZWW??
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You're right. And the police were called.
I see your point in the role, but I disagree that the bus driver "assaulted" her based on the aggressive need to go toe-to-toe with the bus driver and expect her to move out of the way. At least give the driver kudos for not letting the one kid off the bus. Then she'd be a heartless child abandoner.
I see your point in the role, but I disagree that the bus driver "assaulted" her based on the aggressive need to go toe-to-toe with the bus driver and expect her to move out of the way. At least give the driver kudos for not letting the one kid off the bus. Then she'd be a heartless child abandoner.
I can't she did let the one student off. Did you miss the end of the tape? The bigger issue to me is that she would never have been betrayed as a "heartless abandoner" if she would have alllowed the girl off. And that is my point. Just as she is not being hld responible for allowing the whole bus to get off.QUOTE
C'mon Droop. I don't have to spell this out for you.
It was stopped when the bus was pulling over. Can we expect her in the midst of stopping that if the action stops, that the driver would pull the bus right back into traffic as if nothing was wrong? That'd amount to a lot of "nearly pulling over" in a day. I think she picked a poor battle, but at least it was hers to pick. To say it was "nothing" minimizes what she was probably dealing with.
It was stopped when the bus was pulling over. Can we expect her in the midst of stopping that if the action stops, that the driver would pull the bus right back into traffic as if nothing was wrong? That'd amount to a lot of "nearly pulling over" in a day. I think she picked a poor battle, but at least it was hers to pick. To say it was "nothing" minimizes what she was probably dealing with.
Except the behavior is not that dangerous that it requires the bus being pulled off in any event. I understand what you are saying, but remeber, I'm the one being told over and over how we can't use common sense. "Technically the law/school policy states.." you know how that goes. How about she just reports the bad behavior, since there is no emergency??
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No kidding. That has been abundantly clear. All she does is control a 2 ton piece of metal.
Why give ANY consideration to the thought that she needs a smoking gun in order to pull the bus over!
And let's not make any mistake.... I don't see anyone sticking up for the student who ALSO believes the bus driver has any authority anyway.
Those who believe that the driver was more right = because she had authority
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Those who believe that the student was more right - because the bus driver has NO authority
Now how in the heck does that make any sense?!
(Yeah, okay, there are some 50/50's here too, but they're awfully quiet)
Which suggests that there are indeed two camps. HER only right is to shut up, drive the bus, and REPORT KIDS. Oh, that's splendid safety forethought. 40 kids against 1 adult. Yeah, and with those odds, that bus driver had better be PERFECT. At least 40 times more so than everyone else. Shoot. Do you guys expect table service at McDonalds, too?
Why give ANY consideration to the thought that she needs a smoking gun in order to pull the bus over!
And let's not make any mistake.... I don't see anyone sticking up for the student who ALSO believes the bus driver has any authority anyway.
Those who believe that the driver was more right = because she had authority
vs.
Those who believe that the student was more right - because the bus driver has NO authority
Now how in the heck does that make any sense?!
(Yeah, okay, there are some 50/50's here too, but they're awfully quiet)
Which suggests that there are indeed two camps. HER only right is to shut up, drive the bus, and REPORT KIDS. Oh, that's splendid safety forethought. 40 kids against 1 adult. Yeah, and with those odds, that bus driver had better be PERFECT. At least 40 times more so than everyone else. Shoot. Do you guys expect table service at McDonalds, too?
I'm really trying to adress something here... but i will address yet again a untrue statement.
Those who believe that the student was more right - because the bus driver has NO authority
There is no such group. Everyone is willing to acknowledge the bus driver has the authority to pull over the bus, but again authority to do something doesn't mean it's the right or smart thing to do.
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Sit down and shut up. (And if you want to get all legal, sit with your back against the seat and face forward). It's riding a bus. It's not rocket science. It takes a modicum of self respect, and respect in general. It's transportation, not a free for all social-hour, and it's not recess-on-wheels. If you can't handle that, it's not the bus driver's fault....
Sit down and shut up?? What kind of bus ride would it be if it had to be in complete silence. QUOTE
And Droop, I wish I could agree with you that dumping misbehaving miscarriages of social acceptance on the street was legal, but I'm sure if it was, we'd see more kids walking every day. I would get behind that initiative, and then bus drivers could say, "Fine. GTFO". Problem solved! We could find agreement there. But just because you did it as a teen decades ago doesn't mean that the rules didn't change.
Well that wouldn't be agreeing with me. I don't think hat bus drivers should have the right to kick people out whenever they are misbehaving... that would be a lawsuit ready to happen. I just don't think that if the choice is assault a kid or let them off the bus that assault is the best answer.
And after seeing the tape... are you gonna say I am wrong AZWW??
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I just don't think that if the choice is assault a kid or let them off the bus that assault is the best answer.
But clearly letting them off the bus is very bad and could open the school, and the driver up to a lawsuit if the kid gets hurt after getting off. So what does a driver do if a kid demands to get off and confronts her?
Ted
Well once the bus driver pulls over the bus and thumps her chest, and the student decides to pull her punk card... the bus driver is faced with two bad decisions. Now while allowing a school age kid off the bus may open the school to a lawsuit, if something happened to her. Assaulting her IS against the law and will lead to mayhem on the bus.
Like I said, I think it is very unlikely that a bus driver is held accountable for allowing an irrate teenager off the bus when the only other option is to beat her into submission. I offer as evidence, the fact that the bus driver was not held responsible for allowing nearly a whole bus full of kids off a bus at a stop that was not theirs. I have yet to see a report of a kidnapping or a lawsuit from these students.
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But clearly letting them off the bus is very bad and could open the school, and the driver up to a lawsuit if the kid gets hurt after getting off. So what does a driver do if a kid demands to get off and confronts her?
Well once the bus driver pulls over the bus and thumps her chest, and the student decides to pull her punk card... the bus driver is faced with two bad decisions. Now while allowing a school age kid off the bus may open the school to a lawsuit, if something happened to her. Assaulting her IS against the law and will lead to mayhem on the bus.
Like I said, I think it is very unlikely that a bus driver is held accountable for allowing an irrate teenager off the bus when the only other option is to beat her into submission. I offer as evidence, the fact that the bus driver was not held responsible for allowing nearly a whole bus full of kids off a bus at a stop that was not theirs. I have yet to see a report of a kidnapping or a lawsuit from these students.
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Well once the bus driver pulls over the bus and thumps her chest, and the student decides to pull her punk card... the bus driver is faced with two bad decisions. Now while allowing a school age kid off the bus may open the school to a lawsuit, if something happened to her. Assaulting her IS against the law and will lead to mayhem on the bus.
Yes even though the dopy kid “started” the confrontation the driver used bad judgment and will likely be fired as a result. She cannot let the kid off anywhere – that would get her fired for sure and the school sued if anything happened. If she had a cell phone she should have pulled over and called the police and let them deal with this idiot kid.
And there is no way this dope did not know she could not get off without a note.
Ted
This doesn't really make sense Ted. She is not letting a kid off, if the only way keep her on is to fight her. BUt let's for the sake of argument say that her not doing everything necessary to keep the kid on does get her fired... well... she didn't keep the girl on the bus. The girl and a bunch of other students all got off the bus, but the bus driver was not fired, even though you say she would have been if the girl was allowed off the bus
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Yes even though the dopy kid “started” the confrontation the driver used bad judgment and will likely be fired as a result. She cannot let the kid off anywhere – that would get her fired for sure and the school sued if anything happened. If she had a cell phone she should have pulled over and called the police and let them deal with this idiot kid.
And there is no way this dope did not know she could not get off without a note.
And there is no way this dope did not know she could not get off without a note.
This doesn't really make sense Ted. She is not letting a kid off, if the only way keep her on is to fight her. BUt let's for the sake of argument say that her not doing everything necessary to keep the kid on does get her fired... well... she didn't keep the girl on the bus. The girl and a bunch of other students all got off the bus, but the bus driver was not fired, even though you say she would have been if the girl was allowed off the bus
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OK they didn’t fire her because the kids forced her to let them off but you can bet your bottom dollar if one of the idiots sprained her ankle and got a lawyer the poop would hit the fan. The kids lawyer would pull the policy and demand to be paid for “negligence” in allowing the parents “little angel” to get off and as a result get hurt. The schools pays and the driver gets fired. And god forbid that it is a serious injury – the school is totally libel and could have to pay a ton of money including legal fees.
And who gets to pay all this ultimately – the other parents.
So my point stands – letting the stupid kid(s) off was wrong and the cops should have been called and the kid arrested for harassing the driver.
I find it hard to believe that you think the kids have any “right” on their side here.
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she didn't keep the girl on the bus. The girl and a bunch of other students all got off the bus, but the bus driver was not fired, even though you say she would have been if the girl was allowed off the bus.
OK they didn’t fire her because the kids forced her to let them off but you can bet your bottom dollar if one of the idiots sprained her ankle and got a lawyer the poop would hit the fan. The kids lawyer would pull the policy and demand to be paid for “negligence” in allowing the parents “little angel” to get off and as a result get hurt. The schools pays and the driver gets fired. And god forbid that it is a serious injury – the school is totally libel and could have to pay a ton of money including legal fees.
And who gets to pay all this ultimately – the other parents.
So my point stands – letting the stupid kid(s) off was wrong and the cops should have been called and the kid arrested for harassing the driver.
I find it hard to believe that you think the kids have any “right” on their side here.
Ted said:
Yeah, try every adult. That's tax dollars. Imagine telling a tax payer who doesn't even have a kid that they'll have to pay more because the school f-ed up.
Of course, then the school complains that they can't afford chalk and books for all the kids after the kid gets millions for being a retarded debutante, so please vote on this School Bond Proposition in November...
Droop said:
Allow me to translate:
Since kids are punks, adults had better make sure they not correct kids, or use any sarcastic or sardonic remarks as with respects to said punk kids not following the rules on the bus.
Droop, you still fail to see that pulling over the school bus is tantamount to the teacher stopping classroom teaching to correct a disruptive student. It's not an act of thumping your chest to address a problem or pulling over the bus to do so.
I guess the difference here is that if the student wants to leave the classroom, the teacher should let them go. There's no liability in that.
There IS a liability for dropping kids off in public when the safety IS the responsibility of the bus driver. The bus driver was looking out for herself AND her employer. The fact that she fought long and hard is probably why the School Board saw that she was making a reasonable attempt to follow the rules and save her job that it worked in her favor.
I'm not just blindly defending the bus driver because I'm a stubborn rule nazi.
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The kids lawyer would pull the policy and demand to be paid for “negligence” in allowing the parents “little angel” to get off and as a result get hurt. The schools pays and the driver gets fired. And god forbid that it is a serious injury – the school is totally libel and could have to pay a ton of money including legal fees.
And who gets to pay all this ultimately – the other parents.
And who gets to pay all this ultimately – the other parents.
Yeah, try every adult. That's tax dollars. Imagine telling a tax payer who doesn't even have a kid that they'll have to pay more because the school f-ed up.
Of course, then the school complains that they can't afford chalk and books for all the kids after the kid gets millions for being a retarded debutante, so please vote on this School Bond Proposition in November...
Droop said:
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Well once the bus driver pulls over the bus and thumps her chest, and the student decides to pull her punk card... the bus driver is faced with two bad decisions.
Allow me to translate:
Since kids are punks, adults had better make sure they not correct kids, or use any sarcastic or sardonic remarks as with respects to said punk kids not following the rules on the bus.
Droop, you still fail to see that pulling over the school bus is tantamount to the teacher stopping classroom teaching to correct a disruptive student. It's not an act of thumping your chest to address a problem or pulling over the bus to do so.
I guess the difference here is that if the student wants to leave the classroom, the teacher should let them go. There's no liability in that.
There IS a liability for dropping kids off in public when the safety IS the responsibility of the bus driver. The bus driver was looking out for herself AND her employer. The fact that she fought long and hard is probably why the School Board saw that she was making a reasonable attempt to follow the rules and save her job that it worked in her favor.
I'm not just blindly defending the bus driver because I'm a stubborn rule nazi.
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