Full Version: Clinton and Obama---together?
"A new TIME poll reveals that 62% of Democrats want Clinton to put Obama on the ticket; 51% want Obama to return the favor if he is the nominee. The party's right brain and left brain, dancing together at last, right? "
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...10667-2,00.html
Questions for debate:
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
Will either be willing to be a Veep nominee for the other?
http://www.time.com/time/nation/article/0,...10667-2,00.html
Questions for debate:
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
Will either be willing to be a Veep nominee for the other?
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
Clinton *might* get a boost by putting Obama on her ticket, but I seriously doubt it would help Obama (it'd probably hurt him among independents and those who absolutely detest Clinton and aren't yet sold on anyone else). Like it or not, a lot of people (myself included) do not like Hillary Clinton. I respect her in many ways, but I just don't like her politically. Obama supporters might think it a strange choice (I know I would) and would wonder about Obama's reasoning for doing so.
And while it appears that many people are okay with a female or Black male president, it might just be too much to ask for BOTH at the same time.
Clinton *might* get a boost by putting Obama on her ticket, but I seriously doubt it would help Obama (it'd probably hurt him among independents and those who absolutely detest Clinton and aren't yet sold on anyone else). Like it or not, a lot of people (myself included) do not like Hillary Clinton. I respect her in many ways, but I just don't like her politically. Obama supporters might think it a strange choice (I know I would) and would wonder about Obama's reasoning for doing so.
And while it appears that many people are okay with a female or Black male president, it might just be too much to ask for BOTH at the same time.
QUOTE(kmsouthern @ Feb 26 2008, 04:10 PM) 
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
And while it appears that many people are okay with a female or Black male president, it might just be too much to ask for BOTH at the same time.
And while it appears that many people are okay with a female or Black male president, it might just be too much to ask for BOTH at the same time.
It would be cool to have female and black male president. The NSF would have to fund a study on that one....
QUOTE(quick @ Feb 26 2008, 03:02 PM)
It would be cool to have female and black male president. The NSF would have to fund a study on that one....
Oh come on...you know what I meant 
I wonder, though, which form of bigotry is more pervasive in this election.
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
It would benefit Hillary to have Obama, but not vice versa. For one thing, I doubt Hillary would ever accept a number two position; she has thought from day one that she was the de facto nominee - that it is her due - and the fact that Obama has made a horse race out of it has shaken her (and, I believe, infuriated her). If she were anything but a political animal, I'd say she wouldn't even consider Obama as a running mate out of sheer spite (but she'd be far too greedy to acquire Obama's supporters' votes not to do so).
Though I'd be ecstatic to see a black president and a female vice president, I wouldn't want to see this particular female candidate in there. There are reasons beyond sexism not to support Hillary.
It would benefit Hillary to have Obama, but not vice versa. For one thing, I doubt Hillary would ever accept a number two position; she has thought from day one that she was the de facto nominee - that it is her due - and the fact that Obama has made a horse race out of it has shaken her (and, I believe, infuriated her). If she were anything but a political animal, I'd say she wouldn't even consider Obama as a running mate out of sheer spite (but she'd be far too greedy to acquire Obama's supporters' votes not to do so).
Though I'd be ecstatic to see a black president and a female vice president, I wouldn't want to see this particular female candidate in there. There are reasons beyond sexism not to support Hillary.
QUOTE(DaffyGrl @ Feb 26 2008, 05:14 PM)
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
It would benefit Hillary to have Obama, but not vice versa. For one thing, I doubt Hillary would ever accept a number two position; she has thought from day one that she was the de facto nominee - that it is her due - and the fact that Obama has made a horse race out of it has shaken her (and, I believe, infuriated her). If she were anything but a political animal, I'd say she wouldn't even consider Obama as a running mate out of sheer spite (but she'd be far too greedy to acquire Obama's supporters' votes not to do so).
Though I'd be ecstatic to see a black president and a female vice president, I wouldn't want to see this particular female candidate in there. There are reasons beyond sexism not to support Hillary.
It would benefit Hillary to have Obama, but not vice versa. For one thing, I doubt Hillary would ever accept a number two position; she has thought from day one that she was the de facto nominee - that it is her due - and the fact that Obama has made a horse race out of it has shaken her (and, I believe, infuriated her). If she were anything but a political animal, I'd say she wouldn't even consider Obama as a running mate out of sheer spite (but she'd be far too greedy to acquire Obama's supporters' votes not to do so).
Though I'd be ecstatic to see a black president and a female vice president, I wouldn't want to see this particular female candidate in there. There are reasons beyond sexism not to support Hillary.
I tend to agree with DG. It isn't likely that Clinton would accept playing second fiddle, and the mathematics of her getting the top nod are rapidly evaporating.
I think Obama would best be served by a modeate on the ticket. My choice would be former Virginia Governor Mark Warner.
Just for humor, we could really have an odd-couple with Obama and Zell Miller.
QUOTE(quick @ Feb 26 2008, 03:32 PM)
Do either Hillary or Obama get better odds as a presidential nominee in the November general election if the other is the VP nominee on their ticket? Why or why not?
Will either be willing to be a Veep nominee for the other?
Will either be willing to be a Veep nominee for the other?
1.) Certainly the benefit in this situation would go to Senator Clinton. She is not drawing the Independents away from McCain like Obama. She needs him to win the General Election, if she can keep head above water come convention.
2.) Well they've said they were willing. Even though Obama originally stated he wouldn't. Hmm, perhaps the Clinton camp can attack him on his flip-flop stance on the issue.
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