QUOTE(Conservpat @ Jan 9 2004, 10:24 PM)
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So the point is that there's NO POINT in saying it in the first place. It's there, it doesn't improve the way people feel about the country, so what's the point? It serves no purpose. You say, "if it means nothing to students, then so be it." If it means nothing, then really, why say it at all?
Because it means something to some...Some know what the Pledge represents...some respect what the Pledge represents so much so that even if they don't actually care to say it all the time they understand why it is said. America has given a lot of opportunities to people in schools, giving America oh, what, a few sentences that take up minimal time every day is not unreasonable at all.
CP
It is extremely unreasonable - It's an all-out
lie. Sure, it doesn't take much time, but you fail to take into consideration the beliefs of others, and the strength of those beliefs. It's like justifying legislation to enforce children to say "The sky is orange and so are you, supreme lord of the shrimp-men. We are forever in your tentacle-covered service." because it doesn't take much time. But the problem with
forcing this pledge of allegiance to the shrimp-god is that not everyone believes in the power of the shrimp-god, and some people would believe quite strongly in opposing things, such as the fork-god and the like.
My point is, unless you want to completely ingore the pleas of indignation of others, punishing people for not promising you that they will serve the country (or currently residing "leader") is a completely abhorrent and disgusting practice.
If you moved to France, or Germany, and your kid told you that they were forcing him to pledge to faithfully live and die for France, or Germany for the rest of his life, and that if he didn't, he was sent home, would you just shrug and tell him that no one cares about what he believes?