Full Version: Bigfoot
Well, I guess I shall be the first one to post in this set of "Science and Technology." For I myself believe there is more then one Bigfoot and that there is a full species of these creatures. Anyone out there agree? Disagree?
I thought Bigfoot became extinct by the 1970s.
Huh? where did you hear that? Sightings are still seen all over the place. Go to www.lorencoleman.com and you can see that there has been more recent sightings of the bigfoot creature.
... I was being facetious. 
I stopped hearing about Bigfoot in the mainstream media decades ago.
I've never even heard of cryptozoology before. Thanks for the link.
As for Bigfoot existing, could be. But I do certainly believe that there could be animals in existence that we have not yet discovered.
I stopped hearing about Bigfoot in the mainstream media decades ago. I've never even heard of cryptozoology before. Thanks for the link.
As for Bigfoot existing, could be. But I do certainly believe that there could be animals in existence that we have not yet discovered.
I don't know about Bigfoot.
I'd like to think they do exist, but I'm a skeptic.
Why don't we have any clear evidence?
When they die, where do their bodies go? It's got to take a long time for them to decompose.
How do they reproduce? I'd think there needs to be a breeding population to perpetuate the species.
Anyone?
I'd like to think they do exist, but I'm a skeptic.
Why don't we have any clear evidence?
When they die, where do their bodies go? It's got to take a long time for them to decompose.
How do they reproduce? I'd think there needs to be a breeding population to perpetuate the species.
Anyone?
QUOTE(Mike @ Oct 1 2002, 07:45 PM)
I don't know about Bigfoot.
I'd like to think they do exist, but I'm a skeptic.
Why don't we have any clear evidence?
When they die, where do their bodies go? It's got to take a long time for them to decompose.
How do they reproduce? I'd think there needs to be a breeding population to perpetuate the species.
Anyone?
I'd like to think they do exist, but I'm a skeptic.
Why don't we have any clear evidence?
When they die, where do their bodies go? It's got to take a long time for them to decompose.
How do they reproduce? I'd think there needs to be a breeding population to perpetuate the species.
Anyone?
1. ussually are sightings arent in america, and noone else cares.
2. we find new species all the time
But I find it hard to believe that a sustainable breeding population exists without one single dead yetti having been found.
We find dead giant squid all the time. We know they exist, even though we can't find one that is alive.
Mike
We find dead giant squid all the time. We know they exist, even though we can't find one that is alive.
Mike
not all the time, very rarely. they were considered mythological until recently. so were mountain gorillas, they were known as "wild men" until the 30s.
Mike your question has been asked a billion times from skeptics. The answer is plan and simply. How many times do you go into the woods and see dead things laying around all the time? Never? Rarely? It's because other animals feed off those animals that have died. Though people have found hair samples that were not identified.
In all seriousness, I ask:
Are there any animals that eat bone?
I've certainly found bones in the woods.
I understand that bacteria decompose bone with time, but it's not a fast process.
I'd like some more info on these hair samples if you know where your read that.
I would also like to hear KISOV'S opinion, if willing.
Mike
Are there any animals that eat bone?
I've certainly found bones in the woods.
I understand that bacteria decompose bone with time, but it's not a fast process.
I'd like some more info on these hair samples if you know where your read that.
I would also like to hear KISOV'S opinion, if willing.
Mike
Well, since I've been called on. . .
I must admit that I know very little about Bigfoot. But if they do exist, they have to be the shyest land animal on the earth. And although it is true that decomposition and carrion eaters would definitely diminish and even spread around the Bigfoot body; I don't feel that a beast that is that big would leave no trace. We have found remains of Australopithecines and they died out millions of years ago on a different continent. . . . .and yet we can't find any remains of an animal that is double their size, supposedly not extinct, and on this continent. That seems a little hard to believe. Bone takes years to decompose even in the most agreeable conditions. Humans have spread across this planet of ours, it is very unlikely that someone wouldn't have ran across Bigfoot remains by now. Mike is also right about the need for a breeding population. If we can't find them, it can't be too easy for them to find each other without raising any attention. I personally, just cannot believe that they exist without any proof but a few "sightings" and a tuff of hair or two. It just isn't enough for me. I put Bigfoot in the same category as the Loc Ness Monster.
-Kisov
I must admit that I know very little about Bigfoot. But if they do exist, they have to be the shyest land animal on the earth. And although it is true that decomposition and carrion eaters would definitely diminish and even spread around the Bigfoot body; I don't feel that a beast that is that big would leave no trace. We have found remains of Australopithecines and they died out millions of years ago on a different continent. . . . .and yet we can't find any remains of an animal that is double their size, supposedly not extinct, and on this continent. That seems a little hard to believe. Bone takes years to decompose even in the most agreeable conditions. Humans have spread across this planet of ours, it is very unlikely that someone wouldn't have ran across Bigfoot remains by now. Mike is also right about the need for a breeding population. If we can't find them, it can't be too easy for them to find each other without raising any attention. I personally, just cannot believe that they exist without any proof but a few "sightings" and a tuff of hair or two. It just isn't enough for me. I put Bigfoot in the same category as the Loc Ness Monster.
-Kisov
All right, I have a friend named "Arvil" and I sat down with him and he told me more about Bigfoot. This is what he said "Yes there are animals that eat bones in the ecosystem, porcupines even eat teeth. As far as the hair samples, there are actually a lot of them out there, but one place, off the top of my head, that has a good amount of credibility is the University of Idaho. Dr. Jeffrey Meldrum in the anthropology Dept. has them and has said that they've came back as "No Known Primate." Also, he has several track casts, from the same trackway, that show flexion of the feet, from track to track, and wouldn't be possible in a set of carved fakes. One of them even shows dermal ridges. " Also I will mention that the Scientists have came out and said there is a Loch Ness Monster. But that cannot classify what it is.
Correct me if I am wrong, but I believe that there was, at one time many thousands of years ago, a creature whose description matched Bigfoot exactly. I believe that this creature has been called Gigantopithicus (not sure about the spelling), was a primate, walked upright, was covered with hair, and was approximately eight feet tall. Like the situation with Loch Ness and the Plesiosaur (again, not sure about the spelling), a modern "mythical" creature matches an actual ancient creature. This does not mean Loch Ness and Bigfoot are real, though.
Shild, I know it doesn't mean that they are real. But you have to look at the facts. Just because something existed a long time ago doesn't mean it's alive today. I agree with that. But look how many sightings there has been. There has been over one thousand sightings, and then some (from people who don't want to say they saw anything)! And they are by far "mythical" as you put it. If they were mythical there would be no footprints of Bigfoot or hair samples.
The name "Bigfoot" is stupid. I hate it. Until they change the name, I refuse to believe they exist. 
Well, besides Yetti and Sasquatch, I found this list of names for bigfoot:
So maybe you should just call it a skunk ape?
Amazing. So many states, yet we've never caught one or found a body...
Mike
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Momo - Missouri
The Chicken Man - Oklahoma
The Fouke Monster - Fouke , Arkansas
The Honey Island Swamp Monster - Lousiana & Mississippi
Ole Orange Eyes - Ohio
The Winstead Wildman - Winstead , Connecticutt
The Lake Worth Monster - Lake Worth , Texas
Big Muddy - Illinois
The Booger - Alabama
Hawley Him - Arkansas & Texas
Peg-Leg - Georgia
Menhune - Hawaii
Old Slippry Skin - Vermont (around the turn of the century)
The Kinderhook Creature - Kinderhook , New York
Nahanni Monster - Nahanni , Alaska
Nakentdia - Alaska
Skunk Ape - Florida
Bushman - Alaska
The Sister Lakes Monster - Michigan
The Monroe Monster - Monroe , Michigan
The Goat Man - Texas
The Devil Monkey - Ohio
The Jersey Devil - The Pine Barrens of New Jersey
The Lizard Man - South Carolina
The Grass Man - Ohio
The Swamp Ape - Mississippi
Knobby - North Carolina
The Chicken Man - Oklahoma
The Fouke Monster - Fouke , Arkansas
The Honey Island Swamp Monster - Lousiana & Mississippi
Ole Orange Eyes - Ohio
The Winstead Wildman - Winstead , Connecticutt
The Lake Worth Monster - Lake Worth , Texas
Big Muddy - Illinois
The Booger - Alabama
Hawley Him - Arkansas & Texas
Peg-Leg - Georgia
Menhune - Hawaii
Old Slippry Skin - Vermont (around the turn of the century)
The Kinderhook Creature - Kinderhook , New York
Nahanni Monster - Nahanni , Alaska
Nakentdia - Alaska
Skunk Ape - Florida
Bushman - Alaska
The Sister Lakes Monster - Michigan
The Monroe Monster - Monroe , Michigan
The Goat Man - Texas
The Devil Monkey - Ohio
The Jersey Devil - The Pine Barrens of New Jersey
The Lizard Man - South Carolina
The Grass Man - Ohio
The Swamp Ape - Mississippi
Knobby - North Carolina
So maybe you should just call it a skunk ape?
Amazing. So many states, yet we've never caught one or found a body...
Mike
Mike, not to be mean or condescending, but I would recheck that source. The Jersey Devil is nothing at all like Bigfoot. Also to note that any lake monster is probably a Loch Ness type creature. Oh and a skunk ape is differnt then a bigfoot. A skunk ape has a smell to it, where a big foot doesn't.
Mike: Sasquatch is still probably the closest thing to a credible name, but I don't particularly care for any of them. The ethnic ones sound a bit better, but for all I know, Menhune is Polynesian for "Chicken Man" and Nakentdia is Eskimo for "Knobby". Frankly, if I were one of these creatures and discovered I was known as "The Booger", I might make myself pretty scarce, too.
Mega: "The Jersey Devil is nothing at all like Bigfoot"? You've seen both?? Did you get any photos? And wherever did you smell a Skunk Ape? What're you - some sort of folk creature magnet?
Mega: "The Jersey Devil is nothing at all like Bigfoot"? You've seen both?? Did you get any photos? And wherever did you smell a Skunk Ape? What're you - some sort of folk creature magnet?
QUOTE(Wertz @ Nov 3 2002, 01:43 AM)
Mega: "The Jersey Devil is nothing at all like Bigfoot"? You've seen both?? Did you get any photos? And wherever did you smell a Skunk Ape? What're you - some sort of folk creature magnet?
I have never laid eyes upon a cryptozoological animal but I am very deep into the field. Tell me if these sound a like.
The New Jersey Devil
Horse like head, body, and arms
Ranges from 4 feet to 7 feet tall
Wings like a bat
Very thin tail
Bigfoot
humanoid shape with hair all over the body like a monkey
Ranges from 5 feet tall to 12 feet tall
No Wings
No tail
To me those sound like two different things. Also to note that there has been thousands of reports of Bigfoot. Some people smell something, while others do not smell a thing.
I came across an article saying that Bigfoot is dead. Really.
Some how, I knew that would come up. But my Friend Arvil, wrote a responce to it, and I couldn't have said it any better. so here is is
QUOTE
Well, the bigfoot legend doesn't rise and fall on Ray Wallace pulling a fast one.
Native Americans from across the entire North American continent ALL had their own names for "The Wild Man of the Woods". Early European settlers had their own run-ins with them and even Teddy Roosevelt told a BF story in his book "The Wilderness Hunter". These stories go back literally hundreds of years.
John Chambers gave an interview to a BF investigator named Bobbie Short not long before he died a couple years ago. He swore up and down that if he could have made a costume back then that exhibited all the under-the-fur muscular action seen in the Patterson film, that he surely wouldn't have kept quiet about it all those years. He died swearing he had nothing to do with it.
Rick Baker... I don't quite know what his game was- he used to say that Chambers did it and that John Landis was somehow involved, but now he won't even talk about it. My guess is that when he was new to the field, he used it as a "brag" story to give himself credibility- to say "Hey, look what "I" know".
As far as the physical evidence goes, yes- there has been a lot of physical evidence found that no one simply knows what to do with. Scat has been found with microbe combinations that match no known animal, a set of footprints was found in the late 70's that exhibited a particular deformity that no one short of an anatomical genius could have thought up, in the 80's footprints were found in WA, that showed dermal ridges that fingerprint experts confirmed had to have been made by a living animal, and there's been more unidentifiable hair samples than you can shake a stick at.
As far as my own experience, There is definately something stomping around in central Indiana- I seriously believe I've been within 100' of one of these things on two different occassions- roughly 20 years ago, a couple buddies were camping out about 3 miles away, I originally didn't think I was going to be able to make it, but things changed at the last minute and I ended up heading out on foot about 10:30 that night.
Since I knew the area, and it was close to a full moon, I didn't bother with a flashlight, and just took my walking stick and an old Mauser bayonette for protection against car (or tresspasser) chasing dogs. After a mile or so, I crossed one of the guys back yards, and entered a cow pasture on a ridge, that was bordered on the East by a fairly thick wooded, low area that extended for the next 5 miles or so.
As I trudged on, I started hearing something following me down in the treeline. It was big, and sounded like a bulldozer trying to sneak through the brush. I figured "Ok, no biggie- it's just some heifer down there that thinks I brought some hay or something."
I crossed the first fence, went a little ways, and realized my buddy was still down there... "Hmm, I didn't hear anything jumping the fence... maybe it's rutting season and I've got some territorial buck down there keeping an eye, on me..." As I neared the next fence, I was thinking "No, Deer don't follow people... they'll chase you away if you get too close, but they don't follow you."
I crossed the 2nd fence, and sure enough, whatever it was, was still down there. I knew full well those fences went all the way to the road on the other side, and I hadn't heard anything like a thump of something jumping over or anything like the wires squeaking from something climbing over...
Needless to say, having ruled out deer and cattle, I was at a loss as to what in the Hell was following me through the deep dark woods at 11:30 or later at night. Whatever it was, was stepping over those fences.
I finally grasped at my last straw and decided that it was one or both of the guys I intended to drop in on and that they were playing a trick of their own. So, I played my last card-
"GENE!... SHANE... IF THAT'S YOU OUT THERE, I'VE GOT DAD'S .38, AND I'M GONNA START LAYING ROUNDS INTO THAT TREELINE PRETTY DAMN SHORTLY!!!" (I didn't, but THEY didn't know that)
No answer...
They, knowing me and my predilection for taking potshots at anything that moves, should have identified themselves right away.
As I reached the third fence, I could hear Sows and their piglets in there, and I figured "I'll be damned if I"m crossing THAT- I KNOW THEY'LL TEAR ME UP..." So I had to pick between going into that treeline and trying to go around the front of the farmer's place near the road.
I took the front and as soon as I drew even with the porch, the guy's dog went nuts, the porchlight came on a few seconds later, and I bolted back down the hill toward the treeline.
As I came to a stop, something took a few steps back into deeper cover, and I literally saw a couple branches move as it passed.
I finally said "Screw This" and started back. Except for the crunching along beside me, it was relatively un-eventful until I reached the first pasture again. I knew there was an area of considerable marshiness down where the trees started, and I tried to console myself one last time by telling myself "OK, if it's a deer or a cow, it's hooves won't make a lot of noise going through that mud down there."
Well, I ran through as fast as I could, then froze and listened- a second or two later, it sounded like some professional wrestler wearing snowshoes ran through the mud down there, and that was good enough for me! I took off running and didn't stop till I was well and firmly in Gene's backyard! Once I caught my breath, I jogged back home looking over my shoulder the whole time.
The next day, Gene and Shane both said something followed them while out for a little late night fishing, and later circled their camp until they tossed a few cups of lantern fuel on the fire to scare it off.
None of us wanted to go in the woods for a few weeks after that, but about 3 weeks later, Gene and I went back to the area in the daylight, and encountered something that emitted the classic rotten egg smell, and studiously kept the body of the lake between us and it, when we tried to get close to it. We split up and tried to go around either side, and get a glimpse of it, but it just went deeper into the woods. We declined to follow.
There's something out there, have no doubt.
-Arvil
Native Americans from across the entire North American continent ALL had their own names for "The Wild Man of the Woods". Early European settlers had their own run-ins with them and even Teddy Roosevelt told a BF story in his book "The Wilderness Hunter". These stories go back literally hundreds of years.
John Chambers gave an interview to a BF investigator named Bobbie Short not long before he died a couple years ago. He swore up and down that if he could have made a costume back then that exhibited all the under-the-fur muscular action seen in the Patterson film, that he surely wouldn't have kept quiet about it all those years. He died swearing he had nothing to do with it.
Rick Baker... I don't quite know what his game was- he used to say that Chambers did it and that John Landis was somehow involved, but now he won't even talk about it. My guess is that when he was new to the field, he used it as a "brag" story to give himself credibility- to say "Hey, look what "I" know".
As far as the physical evidence goes, yes- there has been a lot of physical evidence found that no one simply knows what to do with. Scat has been found with microbe combinations that match no known animal, a set of footprints was found in the late 70's that exhibited a particular deformity that no one short of an anatomical genius could have thought up, in the 80's footprints were found in WA, that showed dermal ridges that fingerprint experts confirmed had to have been made by a living animal, and there's been more unidentifiable hair samples than you can shake a stick at.
As far as my own experience, There is definately something stomping around in central Indiana- I seriously believe I've been within 100' of one of these things on two different occassions- roughly 20 years ago, a couple buddies were camping out about 3 miles away, I originally didn't think I was going to be able to make it, but things changed at the last minute and I ended up heading out on foot about 10:30 that night.
Since I knew the area, and it was close to a full moon, I didn't bother with a flashlight, and just took my walking stick and an old Mauser bayonette for protection against car (or tresspasser) chasing dogs. After a mile or so, I crossed one of the guys back yards, and entered a cow pasture on a ridge, that was bordered on the East by a fairly thick wooded, low area that extended for the next 5 miles or so.
As I trudged on, I started hearing something following me down in the treeline. It was big, and sounded like a bulldozer trying to sneak through the brush. I figured "Ok, no biggie- it's just some heifer down there that thinks I brought some hay or something."
I crossed the first fence, went a little ways, and realized my buddy was still down there... "Hmm, I didn't hear anything jumping the fence... maybe it's rutting season and I've got some territorial buck down there keeping an eye, on me..." As I neared the next fence, I was thinking "No, Deer don't follow people... they'll chase you away if you get too close, but they don't follow you."
I crossed the 2nd fence, and sure enough, whatever it was, was still down there. I knew full well those fences went all the way to the road on the other side, and I hadn't heard anything like a thump of something jumping over or anything like the wires squeaking from something climbing over...
Needless to say, having ruled out deer and cattle, I was at a loss as to what in the Hell was following me through the deep dark woods at 11:30 or later at night. Whatever it was, was stepping over those fences.
I finally grasped at my last straw and decided that it was one or both of the guys I intended to drop in on and that they were playing a trick of their own. So, I played my last card-
"GENE!... SHANE... IF THAT'S YOU OUT THERE, I'VE GOT DAD'S .38, AND I'M GONNA START LAYING ROUNDS INTO THAT TREELINE PRETTY DAMN SHORTLY!!!" (I didn't, but THEY didn't know that)
No answer...
They, knowing me and my predilection for taking potshots at anything that moves, should have identified themselves right away.
As I reached the third fence, I could hear Sows and their piglets in there, and I figured "I'll be damned if I"m crossing THAT- I KNOW THEY'LL TEAR ME UP..." So I had to pick between going into that treeline and trying to go around the front of the farmer's place near the road.
I took the front and as soon as I drew even with the porch, the guy's dog went nuts, the porchlight came on a few seconds later, and I bolted back down the hill toward the treeline.
As I came to a stop, something took a few steps back into deeper cover, and I literally saw a couple branches move as it passed.
I finally said "Screw This" and started back. Except for the crunching along beside me, it was relatively un-eventful until I reached the first pasture again. I knew there was an area of considerable marshiness down where the trees started, and I tried to console myself one last time by telling myself "OK, if it's a deer or a cow, it's hooves won't make a lot of noise going through that mud down there."
Well, I ran through as fast as I could, then froze and listened- a second or two later, it sounded like some professional wrestler wearing snowshoes ran through the mud down there, and that was good enough for me! I took off running and didn't stop till I was well and firmly in Gene's backyard! Once I caught my breath, I jogged back home looking over my shoulder the whole time.
The next day, Gene and Shane both said something followed them while out for a little late night fishing, and later circled their camp until they tossed a few cups of lantern fuel on the fire to scare it off.
None of us wanted to go in the woods for a few weeks after that, but about 3 weeks later, Gene and I went back to the area in the daylight, and encountered something that emitted the classic rotten egg smell, and studiously kept the body of the lake between us and it, when we tried to get close to it. We split up and tried to go around either side, and get a glimpse of it, but it just went deeper into the woods. We declined to follow.
There's something out there, have no doubt.
-Arvil
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