Do you think homosexuality is right or wrong? I myself am not a homosexual, but do not believe there to be anything wrong with it. If it makes them happy, then why shouldn't they be allowed to engage in relationships with members of the same gender?

my chief concern with this issue is, THERE ARE REAL PROBLEMS IN THE WORLD. but for some reason people get hung up on ones like these.

Of course there's nothing wrong with it. It annoys me that it's still acceptable to be a homophobe in this country.

Is heterosexuality right or wrong? And to think people accuse me of being prejudice due to a "stinking Japs" remark. The very fact we ask this question should be offensive.

Dude, seriously. LET IT GO. I said I DO NOT think you're a racist. It's not about you.

Heterosexuality is no more right or wrong than homosexuality. That's like asking if being tall is wrong, or having blue eyes. You don't have a say in the matter.

I join in the general agreement. I also don't have much of an opinion one way or the other if this is genetic or environmental, and I don't much care. (My best guess is that both factors are involved to some extent, as with almost everything else about humanity.) Even if we could prove that homosexuality is 100% determined by one's upbringing, there would be no reason whatsoever to worry about this.

Let us also recognize the fact that human sexuality exists in a wide spectrum, that cannot be completely categorized into neatly labelled groups.

homosexuality occurs all throughout nature. one of my cats rapes the other from time to time. both are males. I have seen on discovery channel instances of male animals have sex with other males.

so is it wrong? in my opinion, no. in fact it could be looked at as a natural occurrence. besides, it is their life and their choice, who am I to say it is wrong? so long as your choices don't hurt anyone else, you are free to do as you wish.

I don't believe that many people are simply straight. IMO, most are somewhere in the middle, falling to the side they feel the most affinity towards. Societal pressures have a tremendous amount of influence on a person's behavior. If the person has more of an affinity to their own sex, and they deny it due to cultural pressure, it can be damaging both to them and their prospective (opposite sex) partners.

I lived with and dated my first boyfriend (of only two total) for 3 years. He was from a very religious family, and a very good person. He was simply a homosexual trying to lead a heterosexual life. There were a lot of hurt feelings and damage done to both of us as a result of his denial. Of course, it probably worked to my current husband's advantage . I just wish I hadn't lost the man who should've been a very dear friend to me, still, if he wasn't forced to conform to a persona that didn't fit him.

What do you mean by 'right' and 'wrong'? Morally? Biologically?

I'm bi, so I'll have to say... there is nothing wrong with it. Nothing.

I may be bifocal myself soon.

Can you please take this debate seriously?

Proud Lesbian here, so I'm the expert! he he he

Seriously. Who I love is right for me. I'm not going to tell someone that they're narrow minded or spat hateful remarks at them for thinking I'm living an immoral life. That's there convictions and I respect that. The ONLY thing that I won't tollerate is when someone who disagrees with my life take that to the next level and interfears with my life. Words are only words. As Jesus says "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you" and "Judge not lest ye be judged" and ofcourse "For ALL have sinned and come short of the glory of God." Imagine that a lesbian who reads the Bible!

Actually, the gay and lesbian Christians I've known have been among the most devout I've ever met in my life. They maintain their faith despite an incredible amount of prejudice - often coming from within the very church to which they belong.

I'm not assuming that you are Christian, but just wanted to mention that a familiarity with the Bible is far from unknown within the gay community. In fact, I tend to know more about the Bible - and Biblical history and scholarship - than a good 95% of the Christians I've encountered - and I haven't been forced to attend a Christian church service in thirty years.

Right and wrong are subjective.

It's up for each person to decide for themselves.

Some people decide that they will never love (or allow themselves to show love) to someone of the opposite sex. The reasons are inconsequential. Some people decide that they will. Some people decide that they will never love (or allow etc.) to someone of the opposite sex.

People are people, and in my viewpoint, it is wrong to remove any chance because of their classification, rather than the person themself.

-Robert

Thank you for that great statement. I personally think that homosexuality is repugnant, but what two consenting adults do between themselves is nobody's business and as long as they are not hurting anybody, I could care less what they do.

However, we have that great post above:


The typical "I'm gay, so you HAVE to love me!" rant. Maybe that person is not specifically gay, but it's the same line. So, that only fuels more resentment instead of acceptance.

I'm a homophobe and I'm pretty damn proud of it, so there!

But if you want to be with someone of the same sex, more power to you. I wouldn't wish you any less luck in that relationship than I would any hetero couple.

I think gay marriage does become my business for many reasons, but that's not the topic here (for all you people ready to pounce on me accusing me of being a hypocrite)

Nobody is (or will) force anyone to love someone. Homophobia IS a problem that plagues the daily lives of homosexuals however, and I as well find it rephrensible that homophobia is tolerated by society to a degree that racism and anti-semitism hasn't seen in forty years.

And the post preceding yours is an excellent case in point. Would anyone even think of posting "I'm anti-Semitic and I'm pretty damn proud of it, so there!" (even if that's how they felt)? The fact that Rocker can post such a similar statement with impunity and not have the entire membership recoiling as they would at someone proudly embracing racism, demonstrates that, to a large degree, queers are still fair game for all kinds of prejudice. (I'm not angling to have everyone suddenly rally around the cause and tell us how "tolerant" they are - I'm just making the point that some prejudices are taken to be more egregious than others.)

For the record, DR, I am someone who, for convenience, identifies himself as gay. I don't think homophobia is acceptable - people are still being battered, raped, and killed because of it. But - please - I don't need your love. And I neither want nor need your "acceptance". Just keep your laws off my body.

I've said it before and I'll say it again.



And that's from a pinko-Canadian no less. Heed these words.

By condoning inequality you are conceding that there is justification for prejudice, and therefore providing a tacit acceptance of hatred, which has no place in a civilized society.

Now before someone goes off and says that my quote is off-topic let me explain. Thanks to a rebuff from Izdaari in another thread it is on the forefront of my mind that the government is the collective will of the people, and can be seen as the people themselves. Quite simply, if the government exists to promote the liberty and ensure the rights of people, then that is what the people themselves must strive for. As an individual, anyone who says "I think it's wrong, so don't go waving it my face" is a party to a societal rejection; which runs agains the grain of everything that I understood America to stand for. By allowing hate to exist (and it clearly does right here in this discussion as Dayton has demonstrated) we are all a part of that hate unless we do whatever is in our power to prevent it.

Wertz, I'm sorry, obviously we don't know each other so my joke didn't come off the right way. I'm a gay Christian. My girlfriend is a gay Christian. You know, as to the gentlemen who is so damn proud of being a homophobe, well, there was once this funny little man with a funny little mustache 50 some odd years ago that was damn proud of who he was too... So, be careful when you say things like that, because I would much rather be wretched, nasty little lesbian that "hasn't found the right man yet", than be full of hate and ignorance and too insecure in his own manhood to give his son a hug.

That's kind of a huge generalization. I wouldn't assume another poster is too insecure to give his son a hug. That's a pretty big slam.

lol...thanks for the defense, but trust me...I'm much too shallow to have my feelings hurt...

I've stated in my post that I find same sex relationships pretty gross. However, I also said that it's none of my business or anybody else's business what goes on in the privacy of their own home.

So, that turns me into a Jew hater, Hitler, and a person that can't even hug his son. Gee...there's a shocker. From the same people demanding I accept their views on this matter.

I've felt like a one-armed paper hanger taking on what feels like, the entire membership of americasdebate almost alone, in stating why I am opposed to some stuff related to gay issues. I said I thought homosexuality is gross. Big deal. I think picking your nose is gross too.

But I've given reasoned logic to defend my feelings on these subjects whether you agree or not. I haven't been arguing "you homos will go to hell" or any other childish rhetoric. And the response I get for not agreeing with everybody here's feelings on it, is I remind you of Hitler.

I am truly impressed.

Wertz buddy. I know you don't like me and you think I hate gays (i.e. anti-semitic). And you can think anything you want. I don't approve of your lifestyle for what *I* consider logical reasons, but it's no more of my business than my sex life is yours. That doesn't make me not like you and it doesn't make you creep me out. You're just different than *me*. And if I have to be the guy you need to take out your frustrations on, have at it dude. I still think you're ok and just a little tougher to debate.

By the way, my roommate the last two years I was in the Marine Corps was openly gay. I told him as long as he didn't touch me, we were cool. He said as long as I didn't get hammered and throw up on his shoes, we were cool. It was a great relationship and believe it or not, I didn't feel the urge to slaughter a bunch of Jews.

I'm sorry but if you label yourself a homophobe the reputation of one comes with it. And if you say your PROUD to be a homophobe, well, the majority of the gay community is going to assume that you approve of gay bashing and discrimination against gays. YOU contridict yourself by saying we should keep it in the bedroom and you won't have a problem with it. And that your roommate was gay and as long as he didn't touch you, it'd be okay. Well that's not okay. THAT attitude is what we are trying to change. Don't flatter yourself by thinking every gay man wants to molest you, how come homophobic people are the only ones who are afraid of being converted? Anyone?
There's an old saying "Thou protest too much". Just because I don't blatently make out in public with my partner, which I don't think any respectable adult should do, doesn't mean I'm not proud of who I am or that I'm going to be passive. If you saw me, you would never guess that I'm a dyke. I'm not a man hating ugly troll who can't get a man. BTW most of my friends are guys and 90% of them are straight. I'm sorry, but my "straight" friends, especially my straight girlfriends, who love me for the person I am and the quality of life and joy I bring into all of my interpersonal relationships. But see that right there, is the reason that you are a homophobe, because you cannot grasp the concept of respect or unconditional love for your fellow human being.
btw quote " That's kind of a huge generalization. I wouldn't assume another poster is too insecure to give his son a hug. That's a pretty big slam. " Daytonrocker, it way a metaphore.

As usual, typical hypocrisy. I should have expected that.

Again, you are a proud homophobe, take it like a man. If you were to have said, " i don't agree with your life style or choices" I wouldn't have had a problem with your comment. But a PROUD homophobe? That's asking for a reaction, and well, if this was the response you were fishing for, you caught me hook, line and sinker. Are you proud of that too?

Well, I am not against homosexuality except for, they act like they should be in charge of everything, and are like "We're like this why aren't you", and alot of times they flag it in peoples faces about it, and it also is a bad influance on kids(Disney world now has a night for queers)...

If someone wants to be gay, go ahead, be gay but keep me out of it, and don't flag it in my face and expect to not tell you off.

I totally agree. I am a mature adult and i want respect from people. I don't want to be know as a lesbian, just like people of color I would hope wouldn't want to be know or judged by the color of their skin. I want to be judged by my actions and the way I treat people and if i'm a self suficient,productive member of society.

"They"??? Like there is some big amassed homo conspiracy going on? Blanket statements make for a weak argument.




Let's not let the language degenerate in here, please.

Actually, my "proud homophobe" remark was a "jab" at this statement.

In other words, I have to accept you, but you don't want to accept me.

So, I commended you on your statement (in the same post by the way) because it shows respect for other people you may disagree with and temporarily offset the above statement with reason:


Then you called me Hitler, Wertz called me a gay person hater, and I've suddenly discovered I can't hug my son. I just can't tell you the compassion and acceptance of gays that's building inside of me at this very instant. It's underwhelming.

Just out of curiosity however:
How is it even possible that a person could be proud of being a homophobe, racist, or whatever? Do you get extra points in heaven for it or something?

Well, I like you all. <big group hug>

And I think being gay is fine, and being straight is fine. Being who you are is fine.

I don't think government is the "collective will of the people." I don't think there is such a thing as a "collective will of the people", only a large number of individual wills.

I don't think the law should concern itself at all with what consenting adults do in private.

I don't dislike you, DR, you're just not my type. I was using your "homophobic and proud" statement to illustrate something larger about our society, not to comment on you as an individual. That is: it is still much more socially acceptable - anywhere in this country, under any circumstances - to admit to being homophobic than to admit to being racist or anti-semitic - even at relatively gay-friendly America's Debate.

In fact, I welcome the opinions of participants like yourself and Bikerdad as I believe you help represent a broader cross-section of the American public at large, however much we may disagree on some issues - and I respect your honesty. I actually suspect you're probably speaking for more people here than are willing to publicly back you up. In such circumstances, I don't "need to take out my frustrations on you" as an individual, you've just become representative (by your own choice) of a point of view. I should, perhaps, have said "I don't need anyone's love or acceptance - yours included" rather than making it seem overly personal.

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Really? Can you cite any instances of this behavior??

Again, I'm not sure what you're talking about here. Speaking personally, I'm much more like "I'm like this - thank God you're not!"

In reality, Walt Disney World does not have "a night for queers". The GayDays celebration, which takes place in many venues throughout central Florida, including a day at the Magic Kingdom, is organized by a group of individuals completely independent of Disney. The only thing Walt Disney World does is not refuse them admission. The only "special interest" night which Disney actually sponsors themselves is Nights of Joy - an annual two-night celebration of the worst in contemporary Christian music.

If I've pleasured myself to thoughts of being with another woman, am I gay?

If I am in a monogamous relationship with a man but have pretended that a certain act being performed on me was by a woman does that make me gay? Maybe it makes me bi?

I've never acted on my desire to be with a woman. Does that make me straight?

No, anguished.



No, woeful.



No, lamentable.

Would you like to go out?
(Just kidding)

We are Fam-i-ly! I've got all my sista's with me!

Aww...hugs all around....

Ok, now let's get back on topic, please:

Do what you do, be who you are, and so on, but I do feel that if you know people who have a problem with it, don't throw it in their faces. I know of one young man whose parents were very upset about it, but did their best to love him as they did their other children. How did he treat them? He would bring his "significant other" when he visited, even to family re-unions.
He used it to hurt them and others. Sexuality is not to be flaunted in the face of the general public, whatever type it is.

How is bringing your loved one to family functions "flaunting" anything. If I ever get married I fully plan bringing my wife to the sort of events you described; why should someone who is gay be expected not too? If people have problems with who I am with, that is THEIR problem, not mine.

What you're suggesting is that people are ok to by gay on their own time, which isn't acceptance at all.

The term "homophobia" has become so over-used that it means nothing anymore.

Most people who the gays and other liberals like to label as "homophobes" aren't any such thing. There is to fear involved (that's what -phobia means, remember.) Disgust, yes. Non-acceptance, yes. But not fear.

You may claim the right to do whatever you want in the bedroom with whomever you want. But if you decide to go public about your sexuality, you do not have the right to be accepted, tolerated or even liked. You are practicing an abnormal lifestyle and you need to be prepared to deal with the concequences of doing so.

...and you can make unsubstantiated statements, but you need to be prepared to back them up with sources.

Please tell us why you think that homosexuality is an "abnormal" lifestyle?

Rumblestrip, does the quote "LIfe, liberty and the pursuit of happiness" mean anything to you? Why does my life have to be subjected to your standards of perceived morality? ABNORMAL?! I guess over 200 years of African slavery in this country was normal, since of course they were sub standard human species? huh? Not to mention segregation for the the better part of the last century. I guess repressing women and not allowing them to own property, nor to vote, not even a hundred years ago was NORMAL? Lets not forget the HEATHEN Native Americans that were stripped of their land, pride and dignity and inhumanely transported to the midwest where they were further humiliated. You must have a different History book than what I was taught out of, but I seem to remember that their were NUMEROUS events and peoples in this land that were put to the test of human perseverance due to a twisted perception of whats right and wrong, normal or abnormal. There is a Bible verse that I'm sure everyone on the board knows, John 3:16, I'm sure you've hear of it. "For God so loved the WORLD that he have his only begotten son, that who so ever believeth in him, should not perish, but have ever lasting life."

You don't see the word STRAIGHT or WHITE MALE in that verse do you? Why do you perceive to know what GOD deems normal or abnormal? You're no better that the pharisees that challenged Jesus!

Please tell us why you think that homosexuality is an "abnormal" lifestyle?


Please - allow me.

Homosexuality is a lifestyle. And that's what's important. Some here start ranting about life, liberty, and pursuit of happiness based on criteria beyond a person's control. A person has no control over their race or gender, so get over it already.

Contrary to the 1948 Kinsey report, only 1-3% of people are homosexual. Even pro-gay activists have rejected the Kinsey report which claimed that 10% of our population is homosexual. It seems Mr. Kinsey used 5300 people in his study, but got 500 of them from prisons. Ooops.

But with 1-3% of the population being homosexual, 68% of HIV and AIDS related cases are from homosexual relationships. Now, TB, typhoid, and other third world diseases are on the rise. The medical risks associated with homosexual behavior are enormous and it's only getting worse. We teach our kids to wash their hands after using the bathroom to help stem disease in our society, then teach them to play in it as long as sex is involved.

There is not one shred of evidence that supports the notion that homosexuality is genetic. 50% of twins where one is homosexual are not both homosexual. It is not uncommon for lifelong homosexuals to go hetero and marry. And the basic premise of a "gay gene" is fatally flawed (and probably the reason they haven't found it nor never will). Homosexuals can't reproduce. So how could the "gay gene" stay in existence? If it were genetic versus lifestyle, the "gay gene" would be extinct.

It is abnormal for a man to place his penis in another man's orifice designed specifically to expel waste. A woman's vagina has thicker walls, lubricates, and secretes what is necessary to help prevent bacteria. The rectum has thin walls that tear easily, does not lubricate, and breeds bacteria. In the past 60,000 years of our evolution, the male rectum has not evolved into a sexual orifice.

Of course, people will say "It's not about sex". But this is like major league baseball players saying "It's not about money". Because it always is about money. And same with homosexuals. It is about sex. Promiscuity among the male gay population is one of the biggest factors contributing to the rapid spread of HIV.

And here's something new. It appears that the cases of HIV among "couples" is rising. They are having more unprotected sex and it appears partners haven't either been especially forthcoming, or they continue to have casual sex while in these relationships.

Go to www.gayhealth.com and just look around. While I beleive it is a very good and useful site for gays, it shows how homosexual behavior has some serious medical problems associated with it. Heteros could have that problem, but as a rule, we are more monogomous and have less risky sex using genitalia designed for that activity.

So no, there is no evidence to indicate it is natural behavior while there is much to indicate it's not. But if some of us bring this up, we're labeled as homophobes and gay bashers. I wasn't surprised to learn that the most intolerant posters here are gay.

To be fair however, the medical risks associated with homosexuality is almost exclusively limited to men. Statistics show that lesbians do have longer monogamous relationships without diseases. So, I can honestly say I'm conflicted as to the meaning of that. It still promotes evolutionary suicide and opens the door for other classes of people to being having abnormal relationships. But at the risk of sounding like a sexist, I have more confidence in females sustaining relationships that equal the typical heterosexual couple.

But all in all, none of it's normal. These people have made a choice to use their bodies counter to it's design.

I would have to agree with him here. I would add that if you preach intolerance to others you to do not have the right to be accepted, tolerated or even liked. Both groups should have equal rights under the law however.

Dayton Rocker,
I just don't understand where you get abnormal from? Not normal for you, ok. But how can you say it's not normal for the other person? Straight couples and straight people in general have just a healthy sexual appetite as do gay people do. Heterosexual prostitution is rampant in this country. Unplanned and teenage pregnancy is a big issue. Along with rape cases. Sexual acts that are out of the mainstream and deemed the worst of the worst and punishable with the fullest extent of the law are usually straight men raping women. There are few if hardly any college rape cases of a gay man raping another man. I live in the largest college town in the South East and there have been numerous college rapists here unfortunately. Men who have no disregard for the sanctity of another persons body nor any respect for the laws of our land. They are predators who destroy many young womens futures. These cases make the headlines and these STRAIGHT men are animals, because of what they do. HOW can you put a consenting, loving , mature relationship between two people, who happen to be the same gender in the same category as some one whose clearly ABNORMAL as a rapist. I'm not saying that you did, I'm just using the same logic , "what's normal and abnormal in our society?" I don't understand, why all of the sexual deviants by your standards are queer?(My perogative to use that term, being that I am one.) I'm not sorry that you think I'm lashing out at you, I'm PROUD to be a lesbian. And i'm going to defend my 10% of society. It's also very important that my right to "Life liberty and the persuit of happiness" is protected, I am an American citizen, just as much as you are. And the beautiful thing about this country is that laws can be changed in the majority will it. Right now, the gay community and their supporters may be the minorty, but minds and hearts can be changed and old ways of thinking can be washed to the side along with slavery and segregation.

Please Dayton Rocker, all of those points have been challenged at various points here and in the Gay Marriage thread. Rather than respond to said challenges you have merely repeated yourself. Please adress us directly with something new.

I have one thing to ask DaytonRocker...

What about anal sex between a man and woman.. Is that as wrong as anal sex between two men?

If it were normal, our bodies would accomadate it. For example, it's not normal for a person to eat mud. It has no dietary value and could make you sick. But our bodies allow us to eat mud.

Same with gay sex. Our bodies allow it, but is not designed for it. 1-3% of the population using it as such hardly consitutes "normal". It is not normal, nor healthy, to play in poop.

Sorry, I'm really not trying to be crass, but I don't know any other way to say it. If this behavior were normal, our bodies would have evolved to adapt it. There are plants and animals that have evolved to be either asexual or even change sexes. Our bodies haven't.

The life expectancy of gay males is somewhere around 42. Are you stating that our bodies would naturally allow us to do things to kill us off early?

The growing medical problem cannot be avoided (and why I determined it IS my business what goes on behind closed doors). Our bodies and our behavior is not adapting to the medical problems while the diseases are. People with HIV are having unprotected sex with others HIV positive only to find out they are getting the more resistent types. Yet, our bodies remain the same. If this were normal, our bodies would adapt - much like colds and the flu - to the medical problems. But it doesn't. The medical problem is growing. Our bodies have historically been very resilient in dealing with our environment. Our teeth have evolved so we can eat more meat. Our bodies have adpated to warmer climates. Women's pelvic areas have expanded to accomadate bigger babies.

My problem has nothing to do with two people, regardless of who they are, being together. There should not and cannot be a law that prohibits two people who love each other from being together. If two people want to experience behavior not found in 95% of their species, don't expect the 95% to approve of it. Again, this is not like asking us to approve the color lipstick you wear. Because this issue directly affects our evolutionary balance (regardless of how insignificant gays think it is) and our medical costs as a society. And finally, just because you have no moral objection to this behavior, don't expect us to act like we have no morals. The human species is great for a lot of reasons. And morality is a factor no matter how much it appears to get in the way.

Unplanned pregnancy is a big issue. I beleive that to be an understatment. It's huge. But the problem is not getting worse and it is not killing people. And it's not contributing to dropping birthrates.

I agree heterosexual prostitution is rampant. Males want to mate with females for money, and we arrest them. As a rule, they are getting blisters on their genitalia - not death. The incidents of HIV in prostitutes is not of epidemic proportions as found in gay males.

Rape is a significant violent crime. However, most people agree it has nothing to do with sex.

What is the definition of deviency? Not to get too literal on you, but check this out:
http://dictionary.reference.com/search?q=deviant
Homosexuality differs from the social standards of our society, yet you chastise us for having social standards! I've been compared to Hitler, and anti-semite, and have been told my someone I'm such an insecure homophobe, that I'm not able to hug my son. Next thing you know, I'll be accused of tearing the tags off matresses.

Personally speaking, if you're not being a little deviant, you're not doing it right (to answer Sleepers question). When we deviate from the norm, that's one thing. But deviancy IS the norm in homosexual relationships. Just because a few percent of our population think it's normal, it doesn't make it normal.

And Ultimatejoe, thank you for your "Please shut up already" debating tactic. It puts your knowledge of this subject into it's proper perspective. I'm staying on topic. You're avoiding one.

Huh? Heterosexuals actually do that? No way!

DR,

It's obvious you don't believe homosexuality is normal. Thank goodness you have the right to voice that opinion. I haven't seen you say you hate homosexuals or wish them harm. You haven't stated that you fear homosexuality either (except once when you were using self-deprecating humor).

I don’t agree with you on this issue but I respect you for your conviction.

I have a dear friend that is a lesbian. One evening I was visiting her and her girlfriend. We were drinking wine and watching a movie on the VCR. I was getting a bit drowsy, but I noticed in the darkness of the room that my friend and her lover were starting to snuggle up a bit and get cozy. Suddenly I began to feel like a kid watching his parents getting frisky. The creeping suspicion that I was intruding on an intimate moment began to nag at me.

I excused myself (maybe a bit louder that I meant to) and said I was going to make a run for some beer and a pizza. I split and stayed out for about 90 minutes. When I returned they had gone to bed. Maybe even to sleep.

Now, was I tripping out because two people were making out or because two lesbians were making out?

I think it was the former reason.

As a black man, I've enjoyed the company of both black and white women. This was also once considered "unnatural" and in many states at illegal act. Just as Dayton Rocker finds gay sex disgusting
because the body parts don't fit right, so too do people find the idea of black and white people engaged in sex a disgusting and unnatural act.

But there are also those whom find that color contrast exciting and sensual. Crossing color lines or gender lines may make someone a sexual outlaw in the eyes of some, but an affair of the heart is rarely subject to the permission of others to engage in it.

It's a very familiar refrain from those opposed to gays, lesbians, bisexuals and transgender people. They say, "I don't care what anyone does in their bedroom but I think gay sex is sick." So, on one hand the homophobe protests that he or she supports individual independence, and on the other says that the individual who exercises that independence is perverted in how they choose to engage in physical relations with another person.

This is known as a distinction without any real difference.

Dayton Rocker has described himself as a homophobe and if he embraces that term without embarrassment, I won't be the one to chastise him for it. I just hope he realizes that bigotry is a waste of time and despising others for who they are only diminishes him and not them. I don't have any use for racist bigots, but I don't go out of my way to be overly concerned about their existence either.

I read a quote that said, "Hatred is like taking poison and waiting for the other person to die." Life is too short to spend it worried over how other people live theirs. I don't impose my morality on anybody else, and I sure as hell don't want them imposing theirs on me.

lol....thanks for not chastising this homophobic bigot who despises those I disagree with. I'm really touched.