There are quite a few that would have us believe that liberals dominate a huge portion of society. The media is a tool of liberal indoctrination. Schoolteachers teach only the liberal side of every story. Every single college professor is a Communist.

If this is true, why have the combined forces of liberal education and liberal media failed to produce a liberal nation?

The media is our only source of information about what's going on in the world. Our education system is what teaches us about how the world works. If both of these forces were as liberal as conservatives would have us think, why didn't Ralph Nader win the last election? Can all the information coming into American life possibly be liberal yet we're still a relatively conservative nation compared to our closest allies?

I don't think so. Where exactly would these conservative ideas be coming from if not from education and the media?

well, the media is an established tool in american culture, most every family has 1 or more t.v's in america or sorce of media such as a radio or what not. family telvision shows such as leave it to beaver(nazi) is a staple in an entire generations development. so to control that would give you some "power". like i think that fox news and msnbc are very conservitive, cnn moderate, and in the end if you want liberal news you have to hope for public broadcasting, which is the last stronhold of real jornalism and, how should i say this, another point of view(free speech). and well in education systems you just have another place for brain washing, for any facet of american politics and or groups to battle for air time in a persons mind, be it an 8 year old to a college student(with hopes for grad school ). so take it how you want it, its almost american you could say, turning the channel to find your flavor, but when it all becomes one flavor it sucks, and time to break out the hammer. the liberals do not struggle for any more position then anyone else does, its just the usual political slander battles.

I think the answer is fairly obvious. Most liberal ideas are bad ideas. Thankfully, common sense still prevailed in spite of the attempts to radicalize the thinking here.

For the longest time though, many conservatives sat quietly wondering if they might be alone in their thinking. The liberal noise was so loud, so prevalent that conservs really weren't sure about that 'silent majority'.

We've found our voice now though. And truth be told, the libs can't stand the fact that they don'y have the playground all to themselves anymore. Instead of coming up with alternatives they just attack. Just look at the quotes coming from the dems. They know they lack leadership, have no new ideas, no alternatives. All they have is 'Bush-no-good'. Well guess what? That's not working.

Welcome to the dawning of the return to fair and balanced.

Passion,

This type of attack on a group of ideas is unfortunate. Your post was a vague, general blanket attack against another group of ideas followed by the audacious claim in the quotation.

If liberal ideas are so bad, why would eveyone in the media and education believe in them?

Either you're being sarcastic (most likely) or making a blanket statement as broad as Passion's above. Please elaborate your debate position.

"Can all the information coming into American life possibly be liberal yet we're still a relatively conservative nation compared to our closest allies?"

Since this seems to be an opinon based debate ill chime in.
Simple answer to your question is no not all information coming into American life is liberal but are we really that conservative of a nation i would disagree here because it really depends on where you live.Some states are very liberal(california) and some states very conservative(Oklahoma).On a federal level abortion is legal generaly a liberal view our tax system is liberal not to the extent of say a country like Germany but liberal none the less.Porn is legal for the most part.All of these things if we were truly conservative would be outlawed along with many other things.But this for the most is just opinon.


"Welcome to the dawning of the return to fair and balanced."

Sorry had to comment on this but how does having only 2 real political parties fair and balanced?

It isn't supposed to be...

Sources for your opinions ALWAYS add to a constructive debate.

An alternative explanation might be that neanderthals resist enlightenment. Just look what happens here. No matter how many times certain people are told to back up their opinions, stay on topic, or not make personal attacks, they just keep on doing those things. So it is with politics. Short-sighted selfishness is a natural tendency, that must be actively fought through education and reason, but if you don't reach a certain threshold it does no good. Our educational systems and media might have a liberal bias, but not enough - or not expressed in a compelling enough way - to reach some people. Does that sound elitist to you? No more than "liberal ideas are stupid" or equating "common sense" with conservatism. Demonizing or belittling one's opponents is another atavistic tendency that must be fought through education.

IMO liberals are somewhat incompetent when it comes to swaying public opinion, compared to their anti-liberal counterparts, and it's precisely because the liberals are so idealistic. They actually believe in things like negotiation instead of naked force. What happens when a pacifist and a non-pacifist get in a fight? Which one gets the bloody nose? As I've discussed on my website, there's an inherent asymmetry in political debate that favors the hawkish and the selfish. Every dictator you could name has taken advantage of it. That's why there can be so much liberal influence and still not a liberal nation.

Hmmm.... Interesting.... The proof is left to the reader.

Getting back to the original question though, it seems to me that this "country going conservative" isn't really such a new thing, I think the country is pretty much at the same place it was 20 or 30 years ago, possibly even longer, and that has nothing to do with the media. They place far more importance on themselves that the rest of us do in my opinion. What I do think has happened though is that the American political scene has been polarized with each extreme moving further in their own direction. So much so I think that the lines at times have become blurred between what is a "liberal" and what is a "conservative". Some of them, at the extreme of each side kind of sound like each other at times.