Full Version: Blame Canada
So it turns out that Johnlocke hates (amongst a seemingly exhaustless list) Canada. Now, I'm banking that other people share in his sentiments, if not to such a ridiculous degree. So the question remains:
Why hate Canada?
Why hate Canada?
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Jun 1 2003, 08:22 PM)
So it turns out that Johnlocke hates (amongst a seemingly exhaustless list) Canada. Now, I'm banking that other people share in his sentiments, if not to such a ridiculous degree. So the question remains:
Why hate Canada?
Why hate Canada?
The only reason why I have some, anti-Canadian sentement is kind of a stupid reason, our national anthem was booed at a Montreal Canadien hockey game, that really ticked me off. Also, our liberal neighbor to the north has also said some fairly anti-American things [its gov't, I mean].
CP
You know American hockey fans booed the Canadian national anthem (mere days after 4 Canadians were killed by reckless American pilots) and I don't hate Americans or America.
As for the comments of government, we have been snubbed beyond count. Are you referring to incidents where the government has questioned American policy or when people IN government have made personal remarks?
As for the comments of government, we have been snubbed beyond count. Are you referring to incidents where the government has questioned American policy or when people IN government have made personal remarks?
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Jun 1 2003, 08:36 PM)
You know American hockey fans booed the Canadian national anthem (mere days after 4 Canadians were killed by reckless American pilots) and I don't hate Americans or America.
As for the comments of government, we have been snubbed beyond count. Are you referring to incidents where the government has questioned American policy or when people IN government have made personal remarks?
As for the comments of government, we have been snubbed beyond count. Are you referring to incidents where the government has questioned American policy or when people IN government have made personal remarks?
I'm not saying that what those idiots did was right, but neither was boing the US national anthem after our current string of crices [Iraq, Sept. 11, WOT, ect]. Also, I am talking about personal attacks, I believe a Canadian minister called Bush and idiot on TV, I'll try to find a link to that for you though.
CP
Ok, that actually raises another interesting question. Should the sympathy generated from the events you describe mandate that people look over other actions they find reprehensible? Those fans were booing because A) we have been slagged by the Americans repeatedly through OFFICIAL channels and 
America was launching a war many considered unjust.
Just to make this clear: I do NOT support the booing of the national anthem.
Now why would you feel anti-Canadian because a civil servant made a remark, however stupid? It's just one person who was running her mouth.
America was launching a war many considered unjust.Just to make this clear: I do NOT support the booing of the national anthem.
Now why would you feel anti-Canadian because a civil servant made a remark, however stupid? It's just one person who was running her mouth.
I love Canada. My parents were from Ontario and Manitoba. It is a clean country (cleaner than the United States) where more people may be witnessed using good manners every day than you can see in most American cities.
There is no shortage of jerks at hockey games. It does not surprise me that the typical hothead types who give hockey a bad name would have no qualms about booing the Star Spangled Banner. So what? Unless you subscribe to the 1 "Oh, s---t!" canceling out the 50 "Atta boys" mentality.
As far as the Bush is an idiot remark, it's not like it's an original idea. Perhaps that official's leash wasn't quite as tight as those of the others. In any case, she wasn't lying.
The Prez might look great on an aircraft carrier photo shoot, but he's never been accused of possessing a great intellect or being particularly articulate in the absence of a teleprompter.
Canadians are entirely entitled to their opinions--God bless them.
And they have helped our country out when it has really counted. They really are our friends when we don't have our butts on top of our shoulders. But if we acknowledge every slight, then they are going to acknowledge every slight, too.
And God bless America.
There is no shortage of jerks at hockey games. It does not surprise me that the typical hothead types who give hockey a bad name would have no qualms about booing the Star Spangled Banner. So what? Unless you subscribe to the 1 "Oh, s---t!" canceling out the 50 "Atta boys" mentality.
As far as the Bush is an idiot remark, it's not like it's an original idea. Perhaps that official's leash wasn't quite as tight as those of the others. In any case, she wasn't lying.
The Prez might look great on an aircraft carrier photo shoot, but he's never been accused of possessing a great intellect or being particularly articulate in the absence of a teleprompter.
Canadians are entirely entitled to their opinions--God bless them.
And they have helped our country out when it has really counted. They really are our friends when we don't have our butts on top of our shoulders. But if we acknowledge every slight, then they are going to acknowledge every slight, too.
And God bless America.
Maybe I've been living in a bubble, but I've never encountered any demonstration of ill will towards Canadians or Canada. We've been stationed at many bases with international pilots. Occasionally, you'd see some (good natured) rivalry between countries- 'the Redcoats are coming!' for the Brits. The Germans might jest about taking over of Italy in 8 days or something like that. I've never seen (even good natured) rivalry between Americans and Canadians.
A lot of people dislike the French, so there might be a connection between that and a dislike of French- Canadians. I don't know.
A lot of people dislike the French, so there might be a connection between that and a dislike of French- Canadians. I don't know.
If Nurse Practitioners were given the same level of prescriptive authority and autonomy in Canada as they are in the US, our family would have been Canadian citizens by now. Canada is awesome. Anyone seeking the answer to the question "what would America be like without so many a-holes?" The answer is Canada. 
Unfortunately Canada is not real big on free speech. Evidence of that is right here
I don't think your link is working Hugo? Can you re-post it for me?
Canada is just fine when it comes to free speech Hugo; I'm not quite sure where you're going. Care to make any substantive claims?
QUOTE(hugo @ Jun 2 2003, 04:42 PM)
Unfortunately Canada is not real big on free speech. Evidence of that is right here
I think i got the link fixed. Gotta love that Canadian PM!
This isn't a flame, but I think that this is without a doubt the worst link you have ever posted Hugo. It takes events which I am extremely well versed in and twists them completely. I caution everyone to take it with a grain of salt. Allow me to contextualize:
Wow... he misheard ONE WORD that just happens to sound like another word. That makes him an autocratic dictator? It says what about the country? It just so happens that cross-border trade (in trucking form) is a major political issue at times and it would have been completely reasonable for him to assume that a reporter would ask. Nevermind the fact that he has been partially deaf since childhood.
The RCMP was embarassed. But how does this reflect on Chretien OR Canadians? Your leader choked on a pretzel and grew up as a drug sniffing booze-hound. That doesn't qualify all Americans.
This is horrid. The protests were peaceful, to an extent, but the people pepper-sprayed were those who tried to get through the police barrier and trespass. There was an inquiry and the government was absolved of responsibility. Was our PM a bit callous? Maybe. But the quote that this site refers to was several months later and he had been pestered by the same question endlessly. He was not responsible. He got a laugh from reporters, other politicians, and this voter.
THis particular characterization is really bad. The man in question broke through the ring of RCMP bodyguards. It was only then that Chretien pushed him out of the way. He didn't intentionally grab for the throat for that matter. Then again, misinformation abounds here. The man's name is spelled Bill Clennett, which would explain why they had trouble finding out the legal action referred to. I can assume they are referring to a lawsuit which was never filed. The man sent a bill for a lost crown that he received when the RCMP tackled him to the ground. He joked about it well after the fact as well. I find "however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was..." particularly insulting and paternalistic.
Our PM's first language is French. Yes, sometimes the languages run together. Lets make fun of his Bell's Palsy. If anything his ability to suceed in government for so long despite being partially deaf and paralyzed in the face speaks to his incredible will and determination.
Does anyone else not see a problem here? I've seen people shooting hoops in suits, medical scrubs, and their pyjamas. It's not like he's filming a NIKE ad. So he slipped. He was 63 or 64 at the time. How does a scraped hand embarass a country?
Hugo, try reading the sites you're posting from. Here's a nice tidbit from the end that completely destroys it's credibility (which the author's themselves don't stake any claim to):
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At a press conference in the US, Mr. Chrétien was asked about the increasing number of drugs coming across the border between US and Canada. Somewhere in Mr. Chrétien's mind, he thought that the reporter was speaking about the increase in trucks (as in trade) crossing the border.
Good Ol' Jean replied, "Trucks? It's good! Let them come across the border! We will take all we can get!"
The crowd, the country and the president of the US sat in silence. What was this guy thinking?
Good Ol' Jean replied, "Trucks? It's good! Let them come across the border! We will take all we can get!"
The crowd, the country and the president of the US sat in silence. What was this guy thinking?
Wow... he misheard ONE WORD that just happens to sound like another word. That makes him an autocratic dictator? It says what about the country? It just so happens that cross-border trade (in trucking form) is a major political issue at times and it would have been completely reasonable for him to assume that a reporter would ask. Nevermind the fact that he has been partially deaf since childhood.
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On November 5th, 1995, an intruder broke into the Prime Minister's residence at 24 Sussex Drive. The intruder, Andre Dallaire, scaled a fence, wandered the grounds and broke into the mansion. He confronted the prime minister's wife, Aline Chrétien, at the couple's bedroom door. She slammed the door and locked it, then awoke Jean, who found the situation so absurd, he thought she was having a bad dream, and the PM went back to sleep. It took Mounties seven minutes to respond to Mrs. Chrétien's call for help... let's see this situation happen in at the White House. Not only an embarrassing moment for Chrétien, but also the RCMP because of the lack of quick response. Wake up Jean, the only bad dream for Canadians is having you as leader!
The RCMP was embarassed. But how does this reflect on Chretien OR Canadians? Your leader choked on a pretzel and grew up as a drug sniffing booze-hound. That doesn't qualify all Americans.
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Last year, at the APEC conference in Vancouver , students from the University of BC protesting Canada's trade with Asian countries which do not have humanity laws for their people. Some students were arrested by the RCMP, and some were even pepper sprayed. When a reporter asked Mr. Chrétien about the RCMP's use of pepper spray on the peaceful protest, Jean did it again.
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
This is horrid. The protests were peaceful, to an extent, but the people pepper-sprayed were those who tried to get through the police barrier and trespass. There was an inquiry and the government was absolved of responsibility. Was our PM a bit callous? Maybe. But the quote that this site refers to was several months later and he had been pestered by the same question endlessly. He was not responsible. He got a laugh from reporters, other politicians, and this voter.
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Then we have the "Mother of All" Jean embarrassing moments!
On Flag Day, 1996, on a walk through Hull, Quebec, Chrétien was confronted by a group of protesters. Then it happened... As if Canadian Prime Minister had no bodyguards, he grabbed one man, Bill Clennet, by the throat and pushed him to the ground. The incident was shown across the country and throughout the world. It just happened that Jean was wearing a pair of dark sunglasses which made him look like a gangster or even the Terminator. Later, Chrétien joked about his actions which was later called "The Shawinigan Handshake". Mr. Clennet took legal action, however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was...
On Flag Day, 1996, on a walk through Hull, Quebec, Chrétien was confronted by a group of protesters. Then it happened... As if Canadian Prime Minister had no bodyguards, he grabbed one man, Bill Clennet, by the throat and pushed him to the ground. The incident was shown across the country and throughout the world. It just happened that Jean was wearing a pair of dark sunglasses which made him look like a gangster or even the Terminator. Later, Chrétien joked about his actions which was later called "The Shawinigan Handshake". Mr. Clennet took legal action, however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was...
THis particular characterization is really bad. The man in question broke through the ring of RCMP bodyguards. It was only then that Chretien pushed him out of the way. He didn't intentionally grab for the throat for that matter. Then again, misinformation abounds here. The man's name is spelled Bill Clennett, which would explain why they had trouble finding out the legal action referred to. I can assume they are referring to a lawsuit which was never filed. The man sent a bill for a lost crown that he received when the RCMP tackled him to the ground. He joked about it well after the fact as well. I find "however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was..." particularly insulting and paternalistic.
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Then there is always Chrétien and his strange english vocabulary. As leader of Canada, one would believe that the Prime Minister would speak proper English. In Jean's case, he sometimes gets his Francais and English a little mixed up...
"Dar iss non dax reref dis ear."
Dear God! With all the money that the government sucks from tax payers, could we not give him an english class other than those offer in Canada's public schools. This man must represent us abroad?!
"Dar iss non dax reref dis ear."
Dear God! With all the money that the government sucks from tax payers, could we not give him an english class other than those offer in Canada's public schools. This man must represent us abroad?!
Our PM's first language is French. Yes, sometimes the languages run together. Lets make fun of his Bell's Palsy. If anything his ability to suceed in government for so long despite being partially deaf and paralyzed in the face speaks to his incredible will and determination.
QUOTE
At Canadian Forces Base Petewawa in Ontario, the Prime Minister gathers with Croatian refugees. He joins in on a basketball game with several of the refugees, perhaps as a friendly gesture,but he intends on playing in a three piece suit and dress shoes. Taking a jump shot, the Prime Minister slips and falls. He scraps only his hands but embarasses Canada yet again.
Does anyone else not see a problem here? I've seen people shooting hoops in suits, medical scrubs, and their pyjamas. It's not like he's filming a NIKE ad. So he slipped. He was 63 or 64 at the time. How does a scraped hand embarass a country?
Hugo, try reading the sites you're posting from. Here's a nice tidbit from the end that completely destroys it's credibility (which the author's themselves don't stake any claim to):
QUOTE
Millions of Canadians live below the poverty level.... but not in Ottawa. While people sleep on the streets from Vancouver to St. John's, members of parliment sleep in their warm beds. While senior citizens eat cat food, they eat lobster and little children.
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Jun 3 2003, 09:20 AM)
The RCMP was embarassed. But how does this reflect on Chretien OR Canadians? Your leader choked on a pretzel and grew up as a drug sniffing booze-hound. That doesn't qualify all Americans.
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Last year, at the APEC conference in Vancouver , students from the University of BC protesting Canada's trade with Asian countries which do not have humanity laws for their people. Some students were arrested by the RCMP, and some were even pepper sprayed. When a reporter asked Mr. Chrétien about the RCMP's use of pepper spray on the peaceful protest, Jean did it again.
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
Actually, Jean seems like my kind of guy. I loved the "pepper" quote. Somehow, I believe if GW had made such a callous remark those on the left would be constantly reminding us of it and touting it as showing a disregard for free speech. And how many times has Bush been mocked due to the pretzel incident. The link i posted is obviously a highly partisan attack by a few of your fellow Canadians.
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Jun 3 2003, 11:20 AM)
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Last year, at the APEC conference in Vancouver , students from the University of BC protesting Canada's trade with Asian countries which do not have humanity laws for their people. Some students were arrested by the RCMP, and some were even pepper sprayed. When a reporter asked Mr. Chrétien about the RCMP's use of pepper spray on the peaceful protest, Jean did it again.
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
This is horrid. The protests were peaceful, to an extent, but the people pepper-sprayed were those who tried to get through the police barrier and trespass. There was an inquiry and the government was absolved of responsibility. Was our PM a bit callous? Maybe. But the quote that this site refers to was several months later and he had been pestered by the same question endlessly. He was not responsible. He got a laugh from reporters, other politicians, and this voter.
Canadian atrocities?
Gasp.
Perhaps this link was another of Hugo's deadpan jokes. I must say, while offline I share that trait with him, in spades. Posting "straight-faced" sarcasm on a forum like this, though, often just results in being misunderstood and sometimes reviled for positions and statements you don't really hold to be true. I appreciate his wit, and often chuckle at his posts, but they are not always very constructive to the debate.
Canada Rules! (getting back on topic
)
Canada Rules! (getting back on topic
)
QUOTE(quarkhead @ Jun 3 2003, 02:52 PM)
Perhaps this link was another of Hugo's deadpan jokes. I must say, while offline I share that trait with him, in spades. Posting "straight-faced" sarcasm on a forum like this, though, often just results in being misunderstood and sometimes reviled for positions and statements you don't really hold to be true. I appreciate his wit, and often chuckle at his posts, but they are not always very constructive to the debate.
Canada Rules! (getting back on topic )
Canada Rules! (getting back on topic
) I tend to do this on subjects i find non-debateable. How anyone could hate Canada is beyond me. The link I posted is more a tongue-in-cheek attack on Chretien than it is anti-Canadian. I did read the other day that there are boundary disputes, on some parcels of land, between the US and Canada. I guess a few people could be riled up over that.
QUOTE(Ultimatejoe @ Jun 3 2003, 11:20 AM)
This isn't a flame, but I think that this is without a doubt the worst link you have ever posted Hugo. It takes events which I am extremely well versed in and twists them completely. I caution everyone to take it with a grain of salt. Allow me to contextualize:
Wow... he misheard ONE WORD that just happens to sound like another word. That makes him an autocratic dictator? It says what about the country? It just so happens that cross-border trade (in trucking form) is a major political issue at times and it would have been completely reasonable for him to assume that a reporter would ask. Nevermind the fact that he has been partially deaf since childhood.
The RCMP was embarassed. But how does this reflect on Chretien OR Canadians? Your leader choked on a pretzel and grew up as a drug sniffing booze-hound. That doesn't qualify all Americans.
This is horrid. The protests were peaceful, to an extent, but the people pepper-sprayed were those who tried to get through the police barrier and trespass. There was an inquiry and the government was absolved of responsibility. Was our PM a bit callous? Maybe. But the quote that this site refers to was several months later and he had been pestered by the same question endlessly. He was not responsible. He got a laugh from reporters, other politicians, and this voter.
THis particular characterization is really bad. The man in question broke through the ring of RCMP bodyguards. It was only then that Chretien pushed him out of the way. He didn't intentionally grab for the throat for that matter. Then again, misinformation abounds here. The man's name is spelled Bill Clennett, which would explain why they had trouble finding out the legal action referred to. I can assume they are referring to a lawsuit which was never filed. The man sent a bill for a lost crown that he received when the RCMP tackled him to the ground. He joked about it well after the fact as well. I find "however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was..." particularly insulting and paternalistic.
Our PM's first language is French. Yes, sometimes the languages run together. Lets make fun of his Bell's Palsy. If anything his ability to suceed in government for so long despite being partially deaf and paralyzed in the face speaks to his incredible will and determination.
Does anyone else not see a problem here? I've seen people shooting hoops in suits, medical scrubs, and their pyjamas. It's not like he's filming a NIKE ad. So he slipped. He was 63 or 64 at the time. How does a scraped hand embarass a country?
Hugo, try reading the sites you're posting from. Here's a nice tidbit from the end that completely destroys it's credibility (which the author's themselves don't stake any claim to):
QUOTE
At a press conference in the US, Mr. Chrétien was asked about the increasing number of drugs coming across the border between US and Canada. Somewhere in Mr. Chrétien's mind, he thought that the reporter was speaking about the increase in trucks (as in trade) crossing the border.
Good Ol' Jean replied, "Trucks? It's good! Let them come across the border! We will take all we can get!"
The crowd, the country and the president of the US sat in silence. What was this guy thinking?
Good Ol' Jean replied, "Trucks? It's good! Let them come across the border! We will take all we can get!"
The crowd, the country and the president of the US sat in silence. What was this guy thinking?
Wow... he misheard ONE WORD that just happens to sound like another word. That makes him an autocratic dictator? It says what about the country? It just so happens that cross-border trade (in trucking form) is a major political issue at times and it would have been completely reasonable for him to assume that a reporter would ask. Nevermind the fact that he has been partially deaf since childhood.
QUOTE
On November 5th, 1995, an intruder broke into the Prime Minister's residence at 24 Sussex Drive. The intruder, Andre Dallaire, scaled a fence, wandered the grounds and broke into the mansion. He confronted the prime minister's wife, Aline Chrétien, at the couple's bedroom door. She slammed the door and locked it, then awoke Jean, who found the situation so absurd, he thought she was having a bad dream, and the PM went back to sleep. It took Mounties seven minutes to respond to Mrs. Chrétien's call for help... let's see this situation happen in at the White House. Not only an embarrassing moment for Chrétien, but also the RCMP because of the lack of quick response. Wake up Jean, the only bad dream for Canadians is having you as leader!
The RCMP was embarassed. But how does this reflect on Chretien OR Canadians? Your leader choked on a pretzel and grew up as a drug sniffing booze-hound. That doesn't qualify all Americans.
QUOTE
Last year, at the APEC conference in Vancouver , students from the University of BC protesting Canada's trade with Asian countries which do not have humanity laws for their people. Some students were arrested by the RCMP, and some were even pepper sprayed. When a reporter asked Mr. Chrétien about the RCMP's use of pepper spray on the peaceful protest, Jean did it again.
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
Canada's leader replied, "Pepper? I put that on my plate."
What about Canada's humanity laws against Jean?
This is horrid. The protests were peaceful, to an extent, but the people pepper-sprayed were those who tried to get through the police barrier and trespass. There was an inquiry and the government was absolved of responsibility. Was our PM a bit callous? Maybe. But the quote that this site refers to was several months later and he had been pestered by the same question endlessly. He was not responsible. He got a laugh from reporters, other politicians, and this voter.
QUOTE
Then we have the "Mother of All" Jean embarrassing moments!
On Flag Day, 1996, on a walk through Hull, Quebec, Chrétien was confronted by a group of protesters. Then it happened... As if Canadian Prime Minister had no bodyguards, he grabbed one man, Bill Clennet, by the throat and pushed him to the ground. The incident was shown across the country and throughout the world. It just happened that Jean was wearing a pair of dark sunglasses which made him look like a gangster or even the Terminator. Later, Chrétien joked about his actions which was later called "The Shawinigan Handshake". Mr. Clennet took legal action, however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was...
On Flag Day, 1996, on a walk through Hull, Quebec, Chrétien was confronted by a group of protesters. Then it happened... As if Canadian Prime Minister had no bodyguards, he grabbed one man, Bill Clennet, by the throat and pushed him to the ground. The incident was shown across the country and throughout the world. It just happened that Jean was wearing a pair of dark sunglasses which made him look like a gangster or even the Terminator. Later, Chrétien joked about his actions which was later called "The Shawinigan Handshake". Mr. Clennet took legal action, however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was...
THis particular characterization is really bad. The man in question broke through the ring of RCMP bodyguards. It was only then that Chretien pushed him out of the way. He didn't intentionally grab for the throat for that matter. Then again, misinformation abounds here. The man's name is spelled Bill Clennett, which would explain why they had trouble finding out the legal action referred to. I can assume they are referring to a lawsuit which was never filed. The man sent a bill for a lost crown that he received when the RCMP tackled him to the ground. He joked about it well after the fact as well. I find "however no Canadian really knows what the actual outcome was..." particularly insulting and paternalistic.
QUOTE
Then there is always Chrétien and his strange english vocabulary. As leader of Canada, one would believe that the Prime Minister would speak proper English. In Jean's case, he sometimes gets his Francais and English a little mixed up...
"Dar iss non dax reref dis ear."
Dear God! With all the money that the government sucks from tax payers, could we not give him an english class other than those offer in Canada's public schools. This man must represent us abroad?!
"Dar iss non dax reref dis ear."
Dear God! With all the money that the government sucks from tax payers, could we not give him an english class other than those offer in Canada's public schools. This man must represent us abroad?!
Our PM's first language is French. Yes, sometimes the languages run together. Lets make fun of his Bell's Palsy. If anything his ability to suceed in government for so long despite being partially deaf and paralyzed in the face speaks to his incredible will and determination.
QUOTE
At Canadian Forces Base Petewawa in Ontario, the Prime Minister gathers with Croatian refugees. He joins in on a basketball game with several of the refugees, perhaps as a friendly gesture,but he intends on playing in a three piece suit and dress shoes. Taking a jump shot, the Prime Minister slips and falls. He scraps only his hands but embarasses Canada yet again.
Does anyone else not see a problem here? I've seen people shooting hoops in suits, medical scrubs, and their pyjamas. It's not like he's filming a NIKE ad. So he slipped. He was 63 or 64 at the time. How does a scraped hand embarass a country?
Hugo, try reading the sites you're posting from. Here's a nice tidbit from the end that completely destroys it's credibility (which the author's themselves don't stake any claim to):
QUOTE
Millions of Canadians live below the poverty level.... but not in Ottawa. While people sleep on the streets from Vancouver to St. John's, members of parliment sleep in their warm beds. While senior citizens eat cat food, they eat lobster and little children.
I agree with you Joe, sweet lord, did I just say that
. But [I bet you saw that coming], aren't these the same type of small mistakes that Bush is often criticized about, how is it okay to criticize him but not Cretien?CP
Background on the "pepper spray" incident, not Chretien's remark:
http://www.bccla.org/othercontent/00freespeech.html
More Canadian "free speech"
Then there's Ernst Zundel....
http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/battles_...ss_release.html
And yet more of Canada's commitment to free speech...
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/nov/02112205.html
Now, none of these are reasons to "hate Canada." In fact, I can't really think of any reasons to hate them except maybe that they hog all the water and should share it with us down here in the desert Southwest. (ohh, I'm sure any readers South of the Rio Grande are groaning with the irony...
)
It could just be though that Canada is no longer the haven of freedom that its touters claim, and it hasn't been for quite some time.
Here's a humdinger though....
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2003/jun/03060401.html
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During the 1997 Asia Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) summit, not only did some peaceful protesters have their paper and cloth signs forcibly removed, others were arrested or threatened with arrest simply for refusing to take their signs down. Still others were intimidated by police officers into signing guarantees that they would give up their free speech rights for the duration of the summit. That these events took place in the public areas of a Canadian university campus makes it all the worse. Universities have long been recognized as centres of free speech, relying as they do on the open exchange of ideas for the advancement of knowledge.
http://www.bccla.org/othercontent/00freespeech.html
More Canadian "free speech"
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No doubt the newspaper's enthusiasm for defending free speech was tempered by the fact that a human rights action is pending against Mr. Owens and the Saskatoon StarPhoenix with regard to an ad that did contain Owens' freedom of expression. In May the Saskatchewan Human Rights Commission declared that there was "probable cause" to believe The StarPhoenix and Owens had discriminated against gay people by publishing the ad. Donna Scott, chief commissioner, suggested that it is necessary to find a balance between protecting freedom of expression and protecting people from hatred and discrimination based on their sexual orientation.
Then there's Ernst Zundel....
http://www.canadianfreespeech.com/battles_...ss_release.html
And yet more of Canada's commitment to free speech...
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At least 6 mayors across the country have been reprimanded and some fined - one as much as $10,000 - for refusing to proclaim 'gay pride day'. Ontario printer Scott Brockie was fined for refusing to print homosexual activist material, and a man (Hugh Owens) has been fined for a newspaper ad quoting the Bible on homosexuality. These and many other incidents have become part of a growing harassment of Christians in Canada over this issue. A dangerous denial of traditional democratic rights of religious belief and free speech has become pervasive.
http://www.lifesite.net/ldn/2002/nov/02112205.html
Now, none of these are reasons to "hate Canada." In fact, I can't really think of any reasons to hate them except maybe that they hog all the water and should share it with us down here in the desert Southwest. (ohh, I'm sure any readers South of the Rio Grande are groaning with the irony...
)It could just be though that Canada is no longer the haven of freedom that its touters claim, and it hasn't been for quite some time.
Here's a humdinger though....
QUOTE
A report published by the Canadian
Government's Status of Women Canada has called for government monitoring of groups opposed to gender feminism and for investigations seeking to press charges of hate crime on such groups. The $75,000 (tax-payer paid) report, "School Success by Gender: A Catalyst for the Masculinist Discourse" was published on the Status of Women website May 15.
Beyond listing men's groups such as Promise Keepers, {now THERE'S a hardcore hate group! Better watch out for those weepy men in stadiums } the report names names
of newspaper columnists and websites which it believes are promoters of 'masculinist discourse', which the report suggests incites hatred towards women. One of the people named in the report is Neil Seeman, a lawyer who directs the Canadian Statistical Assessment Service at the Fraser Institute in Toronto. In a column in today's National Post, Seeman writes, "As far as I can tell, the only reason I'm on the list is because I've written a couple of articles about discrimination toward men, and toward male academics in particular."
Government's Status of Women Canada has called for government monitoring of groups opposed to gender feminism and for investigations seeking to press charges of hate crime on such groups. The $75,000 (tax-payer paid) report, "School Success by Gender: A Catalyst for the Masculinist Discourse" was published on the Status of Women website May 15.
Beyond listing men's groups such as Promise Keepers, {now THERE'S a hardcore hate group! Better watch out for those weepy men in stadiums
} the report names names of newspaper columnists and websites which it believes are promoters of 'masculinist discourse', which the report suggests incites hatred towards women. One of the people named in the report is Neil Seeman, a lawyer who directs the Canadian Statistical Assessment Service at the Fraser Institute in Toronto. In a column in today's National Post, Seeman writes, "As far as I can tell, the only reason I'm on the list is because I've written a couple of articles about discrimination toward men, and toward male academics in particular."
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Why hate Canada?
Two Reasons:
1) Celine Dion
2) Bryan Adams
Would that there were so few reasons to hate Britain (or America, for that matter).
Two Reasons:
1) Celine Dion
2) Bryan Adams
Would that there were so few reasons to hate Britain (or America, for that matter).
Now now, we have apologized for the both of them on several ocassions.
I recently visited Vancouver, and it was my first visit to Canada. The place is terrifyingly clean. I found their lack of passion for anything to be a bit numbing. They have hardly any patriotism or sense of remorse, since they hardly involve themselves with international affairs unless France is affected because so many Canadians are emotional over their motherland. It is a world away from The USA. I mean, of course there will be a few Canadian hockey games where they boo America. I respect that action more than any other they take, simply because it shows at least some patriotism on their part. It was, however, extremely ill-timed and disgusting of them to do that to their just neighbors to the south while they are enduring so much. I recommend the movie Canadian Bacon. Another thing is that Vancouver claimed to be the most diverse city in the world. Their standards are distorted if by diverse they mean largest house of minorities. There was practically a 50/50 divide of caucasians and orientals. That is hardly dubbed diverse where I come from.
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I recently visited Vancouver, and it was my first visit to Canada. The place is terrifyingly clean. I found their lack of passion for anything to be a bit numbing. They have hardly any patriotism or sense of remorse, since they hardly involve themselves with international affairs unless France is affected because so many Canadians are emotional over their motherland. It is a world away from The USA. I mean, of course there will be a few Canadian hockey games where they boo America. I respect that action more than any other they take, simply because it shows at least some patriotism on their part. It was, however, extremely ill-timed and disgusting of them to do that to their just neighbors to the south while they are enduring so much. I recommend the movie Canadian Bacon. Another thing is that Vancouver claimed to be the most diverse city in the world. Their standards are distorted if by diverse they mean largest house of minorities. There was practically a 50/50 divide of caucasians and orientals. That is hardly dubbed diverse where I come from.
You've got to be kidding me?
Canada is a GREAT nation. I wish some of our local governments kept the cities, roads and other public areas terrifyingly clean. What do you mean "a lack of passion for anything"?! 
Or "hardly any patriotism?" Say that to their WW2 vets! "Remorse for WHAT?!" Are you just anti ANYTHING non American? I don't understand your reasons against Canada? Oh.... wait.... you're from Stone Mountain... Edited to add: Great things about Canada...... Mike FREAKIN Myers!!! YEAH BABY! YEAH!
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