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ConservPat
QUOTE(Paladin Elspeth @ Jun 30 2003, 03:53 PM)
If it amounted only to votes, I would agree with you. But then PAC's wouldn't be so popular, would they?

If this is the best government MONEY CAN BUY, then we need to shift our priorities.

And incidentlally, Bush was appointed by the Supreme Court justices his daddy nominated. Thanks to the Florida problem.

The Florida incident has nothing to do with the poor or socialism, what's your point? The whole point of capitalism is that you work to get rich, and being rich has perks.

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Paladin Elspeth
"Perks" belong to a social stratum that would not need the benefits of Socialism, like knowing there will be health care when the kid gets sick, making a living wage, etc.

Corporatocracy's abuses are evident in this society. Bully for you if you can afford a yacht and you contemplate buying another, grander yacht.

But it's not ALL about the rich. The American Dream was about having a roof over your head and transportation and food and heat and education and the possibility of getting a job after you finish the education that you set for yourself.

I don't know where the more, more, more started to become the American
Dream, but it's definitely there...
Rattlesnake
Corporations give millions upon millions to political parties every year. Last year, it was about $450 million to the Republicans and about $350 million to the democrats (if I remember the numbers correctly.) That's a lot of money. Do you still think corporations have no more influence on the political process than anyone else?
ConservPat
QUOTE(Paladin Elspeth @ Jun 30 2003, 04:00 PM)
"Perks" belong to a social stratum that would not need the benefits of Socialism, like knowing there will be health care when the kid gets sick, making a living wage, etc.

Corporatocracy's abuses are evident in this society. Bully for you if you can afford a yacht and you contemplate buying another, grander yacht.

But it's not ALL about the rich. The American Dream was about having a roof over your head and transportation and food and heat and education and the possibility of getting a job after you finish the education that you set for yourself.

I don't know where the more, more, more started to become the American
Dream, but it's definitely there...

People don't strive for mediocricy. They strive for greatness. That is what we all should strive for, and if we did, we'd live in a better place.

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Jaime
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PLEASE relate your posts to the DEBATE TOPIC:
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Why is, then, that that socialist ideas seem to have fallen into disfavour in the political communities of many Western nations?


We have enough Capitalism vs. Socialism threads. This is NOT one of them. If you feel Socialism is or is not losing favor, explain why or how.
Paladin Elspeth
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...mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed--The Declaration of Independence


Without proper representation in government, it is hard to effect change in the current policies without tipping the apple cart, hence the reason for the Declaration of Independence.

I think I have proven my point. The have's aren't interested in socialism in the United States to any degree. Again, where you stand (on the issue) depends on where you sit.

Those who see the unnecessary inequalities among Americans in this society and are concerned that government is not doing its job to serve all the people, well, they are more for socialism.

The majority of the people in power in this country are the have's, ergo the perception purveyed on the airwaves is that socialism is undesirable. When there is better representation of all the needs of society published on the airwaves, there will be perceived a greater need for government to address the needs of the less fortunate, and socialism won't be considered a dirty word.

And I believe I am on topic.
Hugo
Socialism is unpopular when the word socialism is used. It is quite popular when it is worded as free prescriptions for seniors. I see no shrinkage of domestic programs, even now when the so-called conservative party has control of both houses of Congress and the Presidency. Government is now growing at the fastest rate since the LBJ years. Theft is no longer a crime, it is government in action.
johnlocke
QUOTE(Rattlesnake @ Jun 30 2003, 08:05 PM)
Corporations give millions upon millions to political parties every year. Last year, it was about $450 million to the Republicans and about $350 million to the democrats (if I remember the numbers correctly.) That's a lot of money.  Do you still think corporations have no more influence on the political process than anyone else?

Those Dems sure do get a lot of support from those corporations they like to blast on TV and Radio so often. wonder what they sum would be if they counted also the money the Dems recieved Unions?
Mike
Johnlocke, what does that have to do with the topic at hand?

Seems inflammatory to me.

Mike
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