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AuthorMusician
Say something nice about President Trump with sincerity and/or sarcasm.

I'm reminded of my Dale Carnegie class after telling off an IT director to his retired military face that I'd warned him via email and in person that doing something would result in something else that would turn out very bad. It did, bringing a major revenue-generating system to its knees for over three very costly days, and there he was trying to pin it on me. What a sorry excuse for an IT director was the gist of it from me, and so the class where I was supposed to learn how to control my anger.

During the class I had to tell an officer-in-training for Focus on the Family something nice about him. I have the identical thing to tell President Trump:

Nice tie.

And I can add to it:

Gee, I've never seen a tie that long. You could use it to strangle Lady Liberty and Justice at the same time.

Also:

It sure was nice to see you walking to the White House with your hot mom surrogate.

Well, there's the sarcasm. Sincerity follows:

Mr. President, you are the most consistent one yet, being exactly the same after winning as before.

Well, I guess that could also be sarcasm. Maybe you'll do better on the sincerity side.
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Mrs. Pigpen
I like how he doesn't change his appearance based on ridicule.
Most people would, by this point, stop being orange...or get a better lid
(the super affluent folk can get plugs these days and not look like Chia pets...but bald too is in vogue...or just a really good hair hat).

But he won't cave to peer pressure. thumbsup.gif

AuthorMusician
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Jan 23 2017, 06:02 PM) *
I like how he doesn't change his appearance based on ridicule.
Most people would, by this point, stop being orange...or get a better lid
(the super affluent folk can get plugs these days and not look like Chia pets...but bald too is in vogue...or just a really good hair hat).

But he won't cave to peer pressure. thumbsup.gif

Speaking of pressure, the word trump has a meaning as a a slang term in Merry Ole England:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux848MsW_b4

As far as I know, he is the first POTUS with this distinction. Note that it's not the bouquet but the amplitude of the sound that's important.

Perhaps at some later day we'll have a President Raspberry, but until that time comes to us in all its tween glory, President Trump wins the wind award.

It really makes me wonder who was advising what alternative the family could use for Drumpf.
AuthorMusician
Dearest President Trump:

You need a makeover, which will make you look more presidential and less like a college kid going to his first real job interview:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8ajUDl7JrA

The principle here is to dress for success, but if you don't care and feel there are no more successes to be had in your life, it's time to retire. There's no shame in that; we all have to give it up for the newer generations eventually.

You basically have good material to work with from the appearance perspective.
AuthorMusician
The Trump presidency is looking more like Vietnam with each passing day in this sense: The presidency is becoming the central point upon which diverse political factions are coming together. So you've got feminists joining with sexual-orientation-rights types joining with immigration policy liberals joining with associated business interests joining with anti-torture activists joining with fiscal conservatives joining with political conservatives who understand the consequences of actions like killing the filibuster.

Vietnam brought these or similar factions together in the 1960s and 70s. It took several years before the common wisdom became anti-war, that particular war, but the Trump presidency has done it in just one week. It's not anti-war this time but anti-stupidity, or maybe anti-short-sightedness. Saying outrageously asinine things is obviously a lot different than turning them into policies.

So we witness things like a tariff on Mexico being proposed and quickly rescinded. We see things like the ACA being attacked but then supported, then attacked again and then supported again. We behold as anti-immigration is pushed forth and pulled back as the legalities are challenged. Perhaps the most impacting thing this past week was the attack on truth by the alt-facts argument that was dead way before arriving.

Although certainly not intended, the Trump presidency has performed a positive service for the country by showing just how unworkable alt-right ideas are in today's world. It has exposed the truth behind those who push relentlessly against our fundamental principles, such as the freedom of the press. A powerful stimulus for the resistance growing beyond factions is fear about what will come to pass should this presidency get its ways, and that fear crosses political boundaries as well.

Add to this instant fact-checking and the high availability of historical data, along with the universally understood advantages/disadvantages of the Information Age, and we witness the compression of time this go-round. Also the rather pathetic attempts at putting the information genie back in the bottle, such as calling the press the real enemy and trying to to put gags on scientists. Yeah right, go suck eggs Mr. B. All you're doing is telling us that you can't handle the truth. Nor can President Trump, but his problem is a lot more personal.

So what will be happening in the weeks to come? Might we see a surge in private funding for women's reproductive health centers? Full independence of PBS and NPR? Actual universal health care? States standing for their rights (beyond the right to be racist)?

Maybe it'll be more anti-democratic moves against cities or the declaration of martial law. Maybe there will be more wars starting. This is a time of higher than usual uncertainty and fear of the future. And like Vietnam did with Johnson and Nixon, it could bring the country together in its opposition to the Trump presidency.

But a whole lot faster this time . . . future shock to the Nth power.
Dingo
Let's say Trump has increased an interest in politics or as the late English writer Samuel Johnson offered "The knowledge that one is to be hanged the next morning wonderfully concentrates the mind." flowers.gif

There is also a certain logic that asks if human beings are the main affliction of this planet wouldn't a fast major reduction of that affliction be a benefit. Trump has given a new stark vision of that possibility. hmmm.gif

MORE TREES, LESS PEOPLE!

TOOLS FOR NEED, NOT GREED!


AuthorMusician
I'm not sure what I admire more, that Trump & Co. act the way they do or the great acting these people do in their comedy:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0U0NhUg44cA

This is what happens when reality emulates fiction: The comedy writes itself, which frees the talent to concentrate on selling the premises via annoying talk show mannerisms.

So the nice thing to say is, what a stimulus for higher quality in comedy you've become, Mister President! And the sarcastic thing to say is exactly the same. It depends on which voice you use, Brian's or Stewie's.

net2007
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Jan 23 2017, 10:54 AM) *
Say something nice about President Trump with sincerity and/or sarcasm.

I'm reminded of my Dale Carnegie class after telling off an IT director to his retired military face that I'd warned him via email and in person that doing something would result in something else that would turn out very bad. It did, bringing a major revenue-generating system to its knees for over three very costly days, and there he was trying to pin it on me. What a sorry excuse for an IT director was the gist of it from me, and so the class where I was supposed to learn how to control my anger.

During the class I had to tell an officer-in-training for Focus on the Family something nice about him. I have the identical thing to tell President Trump:

Nice tie.

And I can add to it:

Gee, I've never seen a tie that long. You could use it to strangle Lady Liberty and Justice at the same time.

Also:

It sure was nice to see you walking to the White House with your hot mom surrogate.

Well, there's the sarcasm. Sincerity follows:

Mr. President, you are the most consistent one yet, being exactly the same after winning as before.

Well, I guess that could also be sarcasm. Maybe you'll do better on the sincerity side.


I'd tell him that his hair has great aerodynamic flow. tongue.gif Trump should get at least one hair joke from everyone, he isn't bald yet he does a comb over, hmmm.gif

On a serious note, he wants to get to work fast which is a good sign. Unless of course, you don't agree with what he's doing.

I'd also agree with you that he's the same as he was during the election. In some ways that's a good thing although I was hoping he'd lay off of the Twitter account some.
Looms
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Jan 23 2017, 10:54 AM) *
Say something nice about President Trump with sincerity and/or sarcasm.

I'm reminded of my Dale Carnegie class after telling off an IT director to his retired military face that I'd warned him via email and in person that doing something would result in something else that would turn out very bad. It did, bringing a major revenue-generating system to its knees for over three very costly days, and there he was trying to pin it on me. What a sorry excuse for an IT director was the gist of it from me, and so the class where I was supposed to learn how to control my anger.

During the class I had to tell an officer-in-training for Focus on the Family something nice about him. I have the identical thing to tell President Trump:

Nice tie.

And I can add to it:

Gee, I've never seen a tie that long. You could use it to strangle Lady Liberty and Justice at the same time.

Also:

It sure was nice to see you walking to the White House with your hot mom surrogate.

Well, there's the sarcasm. Sincerity follows:

Mr. President, you are the most consistent one yet, being exactly the same after winning as before.

Well, I guess that could also be sarcasm. Maybe you'll do better on the sincerity side.

He's the first president in my lifetime that is fulfilling his campaign promises and doing exactly what he said he would. He doesn't give a rat's bum about political correctness and doesn't hesitate to call Islamic terrorism what it is or to take action against it. He seems to understand that the duty of the US government is to US citizens and not the rest of world. He is very much pro-Israel and will not hold them on a leash for the sake of the "Palestinians".
Curmudgeon
Say something nice about President Trump with sincerity and/or sarcasm:

I am looking forward to a future season of "The Apprentice" erring on C SPAN as first Congressmen and then Senators compete for air time as they try to protect their long term political futures by not being the Senator who casts the deciding vote that will allow The President of The Senate to say, "Donald J. Trump, You're Fired!"

I believe that my High School American History teacher stated that when President Johnson was impeached in 1868, the final Senator to vote, voted to not impeach him. Then, he was successfully primaried out of the Senate in his next election cycle, He went on to tell us that his final attempt to stay in public office was an unsuccessful run for dog catcher.

I truly believe that this President will be impeached, and his defense when he is called to stand trial in the Senate, will be to Tweet that he is above the law and cannot be compelled to stand trial while he is the President.

If our current Pressident succeeds in unifying both Houses of Congress to oust him without dissent or division; they may find more common ground in the next few years!
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AuthorMusician
The Trump presidency has brought out details of our laws that I wasn't aware of before. For example, I didn't know that a US Senator could be silenced if the things being said about another Senator were to be deemed disparaging to his/her character. I also didn't know that it's illegal for regular citizens to talk with foreign officials under certain conditions. Both of these laws are infrequently used. Makes me wonder what new things I'll learn before this presidency is over.

Directly related, it seems the anti-Trump movement has overtaken the TEA movement. I'm fairly certain it's because there's something for everyone, except current Trump supporters. Will this translate in a Washingtonian power shift? Maybe not because there is something for everyone, and that could very well become a splintering of the electorate into many pieces. There's something to be said about keeping a political movement focused on a couple of issues. So this makes the 2017-18 election season more interesting than most mid-terms, since the formerly obvious change was to vote in Democrats, giving Congress to them over the current Republican powers. This season, third-parties might be the more popular choices within the electorate.

Unrelated directly to Trump but directly to the anti-Trump movement are the millennials coming of age. Teens will be heading into their twenties, and twenty-somethings will be closer to the dreaded commencement of middle age. So more mature brains and the inevitable loss of peak physical condition could impact voting choices. Not sure if we'll see the return of yuppies or something similar, but the younger part of the electorate will be a couple years older. It makes a difference on how people see the world. Add to this how millenials have rejected a lot of the materialism, the concept of marriage, and living with the yearning for an America that never existed.

So thanks, President Trump, for being the catalyst of interesting times.
phaedrus
Say something nice about Trump...ok....I'm trying....give me a minute....

He understands the wave of nationalism sweeping America and Europe. He is one of the few people that realize globalism is receding and making a nice try at capitalizing on it. He understands that illegal immigration is...well...illegal. He is wanting to do something to stop that, I don't think a 20 billion dollar wall is going to get us there, especially if your counting on Mexico to pay for it but kudos on your optimism. I don't think CNN is fake news but it's fun to watch him taunt the press because we all know that the press is never going to be important to a President who is trying to get controversial measures through, kudos on your audacity there.
AuthorMusician
Acting again as a catalyst for interesting times, President Trump has stimulated this take on Putin, Russia, and the influence both have had on the current political climate in the USA:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0utzB6oDan0

I especially like the dancers at the end. They are so dang solid and healthy, robust like the future babushkas of the steppes I grew up with in Minnesota. Think Amy Klobuchar.

Maybe the Trump presidency will bring back a 1930s vibe for the American standard of feminine beauty. Rather than being all about that bass, no treble, how about being all about balance and shape? Strength and health? No more stupid extremes.

LoneWisdom
President Trump has exposed the loony. The inane response by them is astounding, like thinking delusional and paid protestors are somehow more significant than the movement initiated by the TEA Party, responding to the methods used to impose the ACA on Americans, that gave Republicans full control of enough states to make a Constitutional Convention possible.

Violent protests should be met with arrest, swift prosecution, conviction, and incarceration. Paying and brainwashing people to protest does not equate to a majority movement. We'll see how the voters feel in the next mid-term where I expect Republicans will end up with a super majority in the Senate, but it's up to the voters, not hysterical protestors and their news media promoters.

The left doesn't seem to learn anything and they're dragging the country down. President Obama's administration appears to have taken the country back to the spoils system, in violation of the Pendleton Act, not to mention steering fines on the private sector to the left's organizations and public sector unions.

President Trump is keeping the loons distracted while real progress is being made to unwind the damage done by the previous administrations. Here's to hoping real responsible journalism replaces what the world is witnessing today. Government drifting away from the sustainable is an indictment against the loony.
Bikerdad
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Jan 25 2017, 08:19 AM) *
QUOTE(Mrs. Pigpen @ Jan 23 2017, 06:02 PM) *
I like how he doesn't change his appearance based on ridicule.
Most people would, by this point, stop being orange...or get a better lid
(the super affluent folk can get plugs these days and not look like Chia pets...but bald too is in vogue...or just a really good hair hat).

But he won't cave to peer pressure. thumbsup.gif

Speaking of pressure, the word trump has a meaning as a a slang term in Merry Ole England:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ux848MsW_b4

As far as I know, he is the first POTUS with this distinction. Note that it's not the bouquet but the amplitude of the sound that's important.

Oh, no doubt, he's the first POTUS with the distinction of having potentially demeaning slang already attached to his name. Never mind DICK Nixon, or JOHN Kennedy, or JOHN Adams, or WILLY Clinton or ....

Nice to see that while I've been away, y'all have been "keepin' it classy" here in CASUAL conversation.
Gray Seal
The best good thing to say about Trump is that he is not Hillary Clinton. Policy looks good in a few places, shaky in others, and dreadful in others. At least Trump has a few areas where he may outshine Obama or what Clinton would be doing.

Trump is not significantly controlled by the hidden government. People part of that system are greatly upset. This is a good thing.
AuthorMusician
It came to me this morning:

President Trump's nickname in history, like Honest Abe, should be The Deplorable Showman.

Has a nice ring to it, will probably use it somewhere. I'm thinking space alien biker gang horror story in which they go to this little Californian town and tear up the romaine lettuce fields, then along comes Jane The Revelator and kicks alien biker tush to overdriven '60s surfer licks.

The Deplorable Showman, leader of the pack, strikes back with killer BLTs slathered in GMO mayonaise and singing Tishomingo Blues while Jane The Revelator desperately works her Brannonian Blaster to send all the space aliens back to where they came from: the planet Wal*Streight next to the Broodwhey Nebula where The Deplorable Showman gets nabbed for extreme camera mugging and responsibility sloughing, along with excessive pouting and resisting reality.

Working title: Space Walls.

Only in Trump's America, so thanks for this vision, Donald alien.gif

Curmudgeon
Say something nice about President Trump with sincerity and/or sarcasm.

He has caused me to Google such words as twitterpated and impeach.

I have never owned or been persuaded to use a "smart" phone... Nonetheless, Donald Trump has demonstrated that getting out of bed in the morning, sitting down on his throne, and letting his thumbs do the talking as he "thinks aloud" is not a good idea. Having "millions of followers" who retweet and comment on his daily output of excrement may be his best defense as to why he though his phone was being tapped. Perhaps someone needs to point out to him that his tweets make it apparent that his telephone is smarter than he is...and tried hard to warn us. Perhaps future politicians will go back to jotting notes on paper with a pencil!
Mrs. Pigpen
QUOTE(Curmudgeon @ Mar 21 2017, 04:29 AM) *
I have never owned or been persuaded to use a "smart" phone... Nonetheless, Donald Trump has demonstrated that getting out of bed in the morning, sitting down on his throne, and letting his thumbs do the talking as he "thinks aloud" is not a good idea. Having "millions of followers" who retweet and comment on his daily output of excrement may be his best defense as to why he though his phone was being tapped. Perhaps someone needs to point out to him that his tweets make it apparent that his telephone is smarter than he is...and tried hard to warn us. Perhaps future politicians will go back to jotting notes on paper with a pencil!


A write-up on this subject:
Everthing is (expletive) and it's the Internet's fault

(caution: bad language)

QUOTE
Civilization was built on people’s ability to suppress their baser instincts—their tendencies towards tribalism and narcissism, their penchant for slaughtering each other over superficial and imagined differences. It took millennia of education and advancement for us to learn how to not do this. Much of this education and advancement revolved around a respect for science, public debate, rational argument, putting multiple institutions in power to balance one another, and so on. We’ve barely even gotten it right the couple hundred years we’ve had it.

The problem is, as far as I can tell, the internet and its technologies don’t deliver us from tribalism. They don’t deliver us from our baser instincts. They do the opposite. They mainline tribalism into our eyeballs. And what we’re seeing is the beginning of that terrifying impact.

Everyone is pessimistic and fearful at the moment. Doesn’t matter what country you’re from or what side of the political spectrum you’re on.
(snip)

This is despite the fact that war, violent crime, and authoritarianism are at their lowest points in world history, and education, life expectancy, and income are at their highest in world history.2

It doesn’t matter, everyone thinks the world is going to hell in a handbasket anyway.

And if everyone is feeling this way at once, despite the realities, it can’t be because the radical left is winning or the radical right is winning or the patriarchy or communists or Muslims or anarcho-fascist-ballerinas are winning.

It can only be because our information is losing.



AuthorMusician
QUOTE(Curmudgeon @ Mar 21 2017, 05:29 AM) *
Perhaps future politicians will go back to jotting notes on paper with a pencil!

President Trump has said that for important stuff, he prefers paper/ink and couriers. There are a few ways to take this:

- It's just more idle bull crap from the evil Michael Scott.

- He's using Twitter to draw attention away from his real agenda, which is in the couriers' pouches.

- Our POTUS has multiple personalities that he can't keep straight.

- I really haven't woken up from a medically-induced coma, and this whole thing is my subconscious making up stories based on The Office USA.

For the sake of the country, I hope it's the last one. However, I've been watching seasons of the show via Amazon video, and I don't think that's how the mind works. For example, Pam has not morphed into a space alien yet, nor has Dwight been appointed to Secretary of Conspiracies, so . . .

But how can I explain the nutcracker woman or the name Spicer? Or that guy from S. Carolina who is obviously from the planet Dweeberon? Or the rest of this bad dream?

I don't know, but the Trump presidency has made The Office USA very relevant and even funnier than the first time around. Way to go, Prez Donnie!
AuthorMusician
I was expecting great comedy to be stimulated by a Trump presidency, but even more has developed. YouTube Vox has nailed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUDIucr2eo

Caution: Commonly understood term for male bovine excrement used throughout. Please strive to not be too traumatized, children.

This also explains why The Daily Show became more popular than regular news among the newer generations (than mine). An additional, and perhaps the most encouraging, indication is that people gravitate to the truth about Trump's and minions' steady streams of ullbay itshay when it's exposed through comedy. With his approval rating at around 35% and likely dropping, all I have to say is:

Good Job, America! us.gif <Sousa march, confetti, balloons> happy.gif sorcerer.gif drumroll.gif

And of course, thank you Mr. President. tongue.gif

As for the Electoral College, it failed miserably at its primary reason to exist (avoid electing a populist demagogic tyrant wannabee as POTUS) and should therefore go straight into history's depository of really bad political ideas. But we're probably stuck with it for the duration of the USA.
akaCG
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Apr 3 2017, 09:50 AM) *
I was expecting great comedy to be stimulated by a Trump presidency, but even more has developed. YouTube Vox has nailed it:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-fUDIucr2eo
...

My favoritest bit of the above-linked YouTube vid was its inclusion of John Oliver (one of the "heirs" of Jon Stewart, who's the guy responsible for "why The Daily Show became more popular than regular news among the newer generations" and stuff) in it.

Reason?

Watch this (from the 0min9sec mark to the 0min23sec mark):

https://www.bing.com/videos/search?q=john+o...amp;FORM=VRDGAR

ps:
Personally speakin', ... the whole vid (i.e. all 1 minute and 16 seconds of it) is mighty funny.

Mrs. Pigpen
He's obviously not a Russian shill.
AuthorMusician
I want to thank President Trump for making people aware of fake news. I'm not sure yet whether this comes as a direct result, but my PBS station has dropped depressing music in the morning for more news programs after 9AM (end of News Hour that goes for two hours (bonus!) from 5AM to 7AM, then repeats).

The depressing music was geared toward a college audience, so I have little to no appreciation for it. The news can be depressing too, but at least it doesn't numb my soul into oblivion. Guess it's what I'm accustomed to.

It's too early to tell if membership/donations are up, but the spring fund-raising drive went more smoothly than usual.

On a possibly related theme, Colorado Springs politics went more liberal in recent elections. The Springs is to Boulder as Breitbart is to HuffPo, normally. Now the Springs is looking more like The Denver Post.

Maybe this points to liberals needing extreme right-wing stimulation to get off the duff. Or maybe it's a universal human behavior -- let things get really bad before changing.
AuthorMusician
President Trump has greatly simplified my daily perusal of national news. Nothing he says can be trusted, and all his minions have a great lack of redeeming qualities. His supporters among political commentators lack any credibility, which points to the fact that when your raw materials suck, so will your end product.

Ergo, I can just wait for the actual attempts at governing the country, as in proposals and actions. The rest isn't fluff. It's a very low grade of crap.

It isn't very funny either, as the shticks have become mundane. So complicated, so hard to tell when naval ships go south rather than north, Mars will be our bug-out planet, bring Palin in for photo ops with mediocre musicians, and what, Hawaii is an actual state?!

On the upside, this is probably what rock bottom looks like. Things can certainly get worse, but then it'll be a whole different context with a deeper, wider hole to drop into, a new level for the damned.
AuthorMusician
President Trump has exceeded my expectations. I figured he'd settle in to the long haul like other POTUS's have, but he has gone beyond incompetence to blithering, blathering idiocy instead. This is being overly generous to a man who very likely has screws loose and falls short of a full deck. He is losing the support of his staff, his party, and the minority portion of the electorate who voted for him, the last group being the slowest to figure it out. Not surprising, since even Nixon retained supporters in the electorate right up to and past his resignation.

And all Nixon did was obstruct justice, for the most part. Trump has beaten out Nixon already and will likely continue down his rabbit hole as long as he's in office. What happens to him once he leaves is anyone's guess, but remember that Nixon required a pardon from Ford to avoid slammer time. I don't think that's going to happen with Trump because he uckfays too many people around him in the uttbay.

That's not good in both business and politics. About the only thing nice left for me to say about Trump is:

Thanks for making it easy, relatively speaking, to get rid of you. At this rate, you'll be a bad memory by Labor Day, if not the Fourth. Then we'll get a conservative POTUS replacement, true, but hopefully a sane one. Maybe less clumsy than Ford was? However the timing works out, it behooves the GOP to get rid of Trump ASAP in order to salvage something in the 2018 election season. If this gets drawn out for years, like with Nixon, it'll help turn Congress over to the Demos, both houses probably. And the stain that Trump leaves on the GOP will look a billion times worse than Horn Dog Willie's on the blue dress.

Then comes 2020 and a GOP with two unmentionable former POTUS's. Or maybe GWB will look better by then? They might let him talk this time. Heh-heh-heh.
lo rez
I will say this for President Trump - his photo ops make great album covers.

AuthorMusician
QUOTE(lo rez @ May 22 2017, 04:28 PM) *
I will say this for President Trump - his photo ops make great album covers.

Ha! And head-banging is so appropriate.

While Trump is in the ME, can we get him to solve ISIS? Manchester would appreciate it.

Had a vision yesterday that Trump doesn't return from this trip. The details of how weren't clear, but could he be called back to his slot in the Legion of Doom? Perhaps drafted into the Masters of Disaster? Or might he hijack AF-1 to Russia (Cuba no longer works for this)? Vlad would get the premier version of the aircraft before the Trump cuts. Pence would be stuck with the backup. There's a Mel Brooks-like movie in this vision. Prezballs? Blazing Bouffants? Young Frankendrumpf?

OMG, nuke football -- suddenly not so funny.
Hobbes
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ May 17 2017, 04:52 PM) *
President Trump has exceeded my expectations. I figured he'd settle in to the long haul like other POTUS's have, but he has gone beyond incompetence to blithering, blathering idiocy instead. This is being overly generous to a man who very likely has screws loose and falls short of a full deck. He is losing the support of his staff, his party, and the minority portion of the electorate who voted for him, the last group being the slowest to figure it out. Not surprising, since even Nixon retained supporters in the electorate right up to and past his resignation.


And there are still large numbers of people who think Obama did a good job. Go figure....
AuthorMusician
QUOTE(Hobbes @ May 24 2017, 07:27 PM) *
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ May 17 2017, 04:52 PM) *
President Trump has exceeded my expectations. I figured he'd settle in to the long haul like other POTUS's have, but he has gone beyond incompetence to blithering, blathering idiocy instead. This is being overly generous to a man who very likely has screws loose and falls short of a full deck. He is losing the support of his staff, his party, and the minority portion of the electorate who voted for him, the last group being the slowest to figure it out. Not surprising, since even Nixon retained supporters in the electorate right up to and past his resignation.


And there are still large numbers of people who think Obama did a good job. Go figure....


Yes, what did Obama ever do to give aid and comfort to our enemies? Nothing. Or how about taking health care away from tens of millions? Exactly the opposite. Did he ever invite Russians into the Oval Office and brag about classified information? Nope. Express admiration for dictators? Never.

It takes someone like Trump to pull this off (and so much more), and he's just gotten started. He has the money and the power -- now all he needs is an excuse. Duterte seems to be giving him ideas, and Trump's smart enough to pick up on them. Obama wasn't, not in that way. Just a crying little snowflake girl afraid of the big bad wolf wearing cheesy hats and powerfully long ties, pointing machine guns at him in a friendly sort of psychopathic way.

You go Trump! Political history awaits your imminent arrival.
Hobbes
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ May 25 2017, 08:08 AM) *
QUOTE(Hobbes @ May 24 2017, 07:27 PM) *
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ May 17 2017, 04:52 PM) *
President Trump has exceeded my expectations. I figured he'd settle in to the long haul like other POTUS's have, but he has gone beyond incompetence to blithering, blathering idiocy instead. This is being overly generous to a man who very likely has screws loose and falls short of a full deck. He is losing the support of his staff, his party, and the minority portion of the electorate who voted for him, the last group being the slowest to figure it out. Not surprising, since even Nixon retained supporters in the electorate right up to and past his resignation.


And there are still large numbers of people who think Obama did a good job. Go figure....


Yes, what did Obama ever do to give aid and comfort to our enemies? Nothing. Or how about taking health care away from tens of millions? Exactly the opposite. Did he ever invite Russians into the Oval Office and brag about classified information? Nope. Express admiration for dictators? Never.

It takes someone like Trump to pull this off (and so much more), and he's just gotten started. He has the money and the power -- now all he needs is an excuse. Duterte seems to be giving him ideas, and Trump's smart enough to pick up on them. Obama wasn't, not in that way. Just a crying little snowflake girl afraid of the big bad wolf wearing cheesy hats and powerfully long ties, pointing machine guns at him in a friendly sort of psychopathic way.

You go Trump! Political history awaits your imminent arrival.


I'm not defending Trump, or comparing him to Obama...merely pointing out the ever present truth that people on either side tend to support their guy regardless. It is far from a Republican only syndrome.

That out of way, are there all sorts of things to question/point out about Trump? Absolutely. I thought your analysis and stance on that was very fair---that he would come in, get acclimated, and from there on, probably be like just about any other President in office. There have certainly been lots of pitfalls in the 'get acclimated' phase. I do see progress, but he had, and still has, a LONG way to go in that department. I thought the trip to the Middle East would be a good indicator of where he is currently at in that, and that trip seems to have gone well. But other issues continue to pop up.
AuthorMusician
QUOTE(Hobbes @ May 25 2017, 11:53 AM) *
I'm not defending Trump, or comparing him to Obama...merely pointing out the ever present truth that people on either side tend to support their guy regardless. It is far from a Republican only syndrome.

If you're not comparing him to Obama and actually comparing Trump supporters to Obama's, how is this saying something nice about Trump sarcastically or seriously?

Seems to be a subject for a different thread that compares and contrasts POTUS supporters. That would be interesting on a bunch of levels, such as which POTUS lost the most support in the same time frame. Trump seems to be a master at this. He has alienation super powers!

But let's be fair to Trump. It took GWB until November of his first year to get blindsided by terrorism and almost eight years to destroy the economy. It wasn't long for him to turn a budget surplus back into deficits, so by all means, give this Trump guy a chance to do greater harm tongue.gif

Just be patient with us Democrats. You see, we actually believe that Trump & Crew can and will be successfully resisted. We believe that with diligent oversight, we can stop him from really screwing the pooch. I personally believe that his own party will haul in the reins PDQ, since not doing so will allow the Demos to take Congress in 2018, which means that once again we get to clean up the Republican messes.

I'm also thinking that if Trump does try something like martial law, our military, all members of which who have sworn to defend the US Constitution, will refuse to cooperate. Maybe not all, but a significant majority, like 3 million to 70 thousand (300 : 7). Huh, that ratio has historical and numerological meaning. There were the 300 Spartans and the lucky number. Significant in this context? Maybe -- time, she will tell.
AuthorMusician
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ May 25 2017, 03:30 PM) *
QUOTE(Hobbes @ May 25 2017, 11:53 AM) *
I'm not defending Trump, or comparing him to Obama...merely pointing out the ever present truth that people on either side tend to support their guy regardless. It is far from a Republican only syndrome.

If you're not comparing him to Obama and actually comparing Trump supporters to Obama's, how is this saying something nice about Trump sarcastically or seriously?

Seems to be a subject for a different thread that compares and contrasts POTUS supporters. That would be interesting on a bunch of levels, such as which POTUS lost the most support in the same time frame. Trump seems to be a master at this. He has alienation super powers!

But let's be fair to Trump. It took GWB until September of his first year to get blindsided by terrorism and almost eight years to destroy the economy. It wasn't long for him to turn a budget surplus back into deficits, so by all means, give this Trump guy a chance to do greater harm tongue.gif

Just be patient with us Democrats. You see, we actually believe that Trump & Crew can and will be successfully resisted. We believe that with diligent oversight, we can stop him from really screwing the pooch. I personally believe that his own party will haul in the reins PDQ, since not doing so will allow the Demos to take Congress in 2018, which means that once again we get to clean up the Republican messes.

I'm also thinking that if Trump does try something like martial law, our military, all members of which who have sworn to defend the US Constitution, will refuse to cooperate. Maybe not all, but a significant majority, like 3 million to 70 thousand (300 : 7). Huh, that ratio has historical and numerological meaning. There were the 300 Spartans and the lucky number. Significant in this context? Maybe -- time, she will tell.

Corrected the month in which GWB was blindsided by terrorism, September rather than November. I'm off to do my penance now.
AuthorMusician
Thank you, thank you, thank you President Trump for running as a Republican and NOT a Democrat.

More thanks for your inability to hide who you really are and rubbing the nation's face in it. We really did need this to turn a corner that has been defying the turn for a very, very, very long time.

If history is getting ready to rhyme with 1976 (Ford vs. Carter after Nixon's resignation), our bicentennial year, Trump's opposite will be elected. Maybe this time the replacement will be better at politics than Carter was. It's for certain that the electorate won't be looking for a born-again, a-hum, again, as that thing has run its course. However, Carter would not have won without Nixon, and maybe Ford, so thanks also for VP Pence who will bumble along after the resignation (or bum rush) until the 2020 season.

Finally, thanks for the really long neckties. If ever I need to wear one again, I'll be able to do the full Windsor knot without ending up looking like a hobo clown. Nope, I'll look like you, except for the gray pony tail, ZZ Top beard, Hofner Shorty guitar strapped on (for sitting in recliner watching reruns and doing scales, arpeggio and melody practice) and rather gaunt body.
Julian
QUOTE(AuthorMusician @ Jan 12 2018, 01:44 PM) *
Thank you, thank you, thank you President Trump for running as a Republican and NOT a Democrat.

More thanks for your inability to hide who you really are and rubbing the nation's face in it. We really did need this to turn a corner that has been defying the turn for a very, very, very long time.

If history is getting ready to rhyme with 1976 (Ford vs. Carter after Nixon's resignation), our bicentennial year, Trump's opposite will be elected. Maybe this time the replacement will be better at politics than Carter was. It's for certain that the electorate won't be looking for a born-again, a-hum, again, as that thing has run its course. However, Carter would not have won without Nixon, and maybe Ford, so thanks also for VP Pence who will bumble along after the resignation (or bum rush) until the 2020 season.

Finally, thanks for the really long neckties. If ever I need to wear one again, I'll be able to do the full Windsor knot without ending up looking like a hobo clown. Nope, I'll look like you, except for the gray pony tail, ZZ Top beard, Hofner Shorty guitar strapped on (for sitting in recliner watching reruns and doing scales, arpeggio and melody practice) and rather gaunt body.


That's ok, he's only alienating the whole of Africa - and a bunch of other places, not uncoincidentally those whose majority populations are not white Protestants - by wondering why immigrants from "shi!tty countries" want to come and not people from Norway.

Here's a clue, Donald - most Norwegians look at you what you're doing to America, then they look at Norway and they think, in terms of their relative resemblance to ordure, that their country looks a lot less like a fresh steaming pile than yours does.

But, panic not - the latest snowflake straw to be clutched at is the idea of President Winfrey. Why not save the trouble of those pesky elections and just have a reality TV show and then a phone vote (with proceeds to charity of the winner's choice, obviously not to the network running the show. OH no. Never that.)? I don't doubt for a second that Oprah or Ron Perlman or Kanye any of the myriad other celebrity liberals have threatened to run against the Donald next time out would make a better president than someone who can't even work out how to cross his hands to sing Auld Lang Syne, but really, America? Is that the level you've sunk to now?

Is it too much to ask for someone with experience of actually running anything? Other than their daddy's business, into the ground?

If Brexit wasn't such a source of angst over here, I'm sure the Brits would be paying much more attention to the West Wing: Dementia Hospital storyline as it plays out, but we have enough idiots in places of power over here to keep ourselves occupied.

FFS - Trump has even today called off his state visit to the UK because he doesn't want to open an embassy building (in the capital of one of his main international allies, of long standing) he doesn't like. Nothing to do with the fact it won't be a pomp and circumstance, scarlet tunic and bearskin, gilded carriage and stockinged footman, full state occasion. Nor to do with the fact his visit would be greeted by the largest peacetime gathering of people coming together to laugh and point at a naked emperor since the fevered dreams of Hans Christian Andersen came up with the idea. (We're British, we wouldn't riot - not too much - , we'd mostly just laugh and point. Humiliation is a much more powerful tool than violence over here. At least, I hope it still is...)

AuthorMusician
QUOTE(Julian @ Jan 12 2018, 02:43 PM) *
That's ok, he's only alienating the whole of Africa - and a bunch of other places, not uncoincidentally those whose majority populations are not white Protestants - by wondering why immigrants from "shi!tty countries" want to come and not people from Norway.

Here's a clue, Donald - most Norwegians look at you what you're doing to America, then they look at Norway and they think, in terms of their relative resemblance to ordure, that their country looks a lot less like a fresh steaming pile than yours does.

But, panic not - the latest snowflake straw to be clutched at is the idea of President Winfrey. Why not save the trouble of those pesky elections and just have a reality TV show and then a phone vote (with proceeds to charity of the winner's choice, obviously not to the network running the show. OH no. Never that.)? I don't doubt for a second that Oprah or Ron Perlman or Kanye any of the myriad other celebrity liberals have threatened to run against the Donald next time out would make a better president than someone who can't even work out how to cross his hands to sing Auld Lang Syne, but really, America? Is that the level you've sunk to now?

Is it too much to ask for someone with experience of actually running anything? Other than their daddy's business, into the ground?

If Brexit wasn't such a source of angst over here, I'm sure the Brits would be paying much more attention to the West Wing: Dementia Hospital storyline as it plays out, but we have enough idiots in places of power over here to keep ourselves occupied.

FFS - Trump has even today called off his state visit to the UK because he doesn't want to open an embassy building (in the capital of one of his main international allies, of long standing) he doesn't like. Nothing to do with the fact it won't be a pomp and circumstance, scarlet tunic and bearskin, gilded carriage and stockinged footman, full state occasion. Nor to do with the fact his visit would be greeted by the largest peacetime gathering of people coming together to laugh and point at a naked emperor since the fevered dreams of Hans Christian Andersen came up with the idea. (We're British, we wouldn't riot - not too much - , we'd mostly just laugh and point. Humiliation is a much more powerful tool than violence over here. At least, I hope it still is...)

Well, I do want to thank the Democratic Party for not running celebrities as much as the Republicans, if at all. But our electorate does suffer from celebrity worship enough that the shtick works now and then, never for the better IMO.

The first shock was Reagan, then Schwarzenegger in California, and now DJT. Democrats might want celebrity to run for a while, but the party seems to pull back well before Election Day. We run good old-fashioned rapscallions and scalawags like it should be. Some of them end up doing pretty well, again IMO, at least since FDR and during the civil rights era. Clinton (Mr. BJ) was the closest to celebrity. Obama did stand-up comedy pretty well. But Oprah for POTUS? It'll never fly, especially when she realizes her power would be greatly curtailed as a politician.

Oh yeah, and then there's Carter, the one who showed us all what a rich white guy can accomplish outside the White House, if he so desires. Best dang Christian I've ever seen, with his words and actions being perfectly in sync and what Jesus would have actually done. But he was a terrible politician, so there's that.

In contrast, LBJ was a really good politician, so much so that civil rights made a huge step forward. His Great Society didn't work out very well, but it did usher in stronger social safety nets. And now that we've gotten a taste of universal health care via the ACA, it'll be near impossible for people like Trump to muck it up -- in the long run.

I'm pretty sure that's why Trump got in -- the last gasp of WASPy wishes in a world turning more brown by the second. It couldn't have happened to a better scoundrel, and for that I am grateful, even sympathetic to how badly this will end for him. It's like watching a slow person crashing through the barricades and off the cliff into the Grand Abyss thinking that he won the race. You know, because everyone else stopped running but him. Oh yeah, and a few of his minions, but those people get zero sympathy from me. They should, and do, know better -- but think of all the shiny toys and elegant clothes and islands in the Bahamas!

Phew, it's getting too ripe in here. Off to watch reruns on Hulu while playing melodies on the Shorty! Keep things in perspective, eh?

BTW, I'm 1/4 Norwegian. My Norwegian grandmother would not let my mother speak English in the house, and my Swedish grandfather on her side let it be. Never argue with a Norwegian, or you might get popped in the nose. Suddenly. And it will hurt like the dickens for a good long time. Also avoid Normegians, as they are a signal that you are no longer in this universe. Normway is where dead cats from Cheers end up.
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