Bikerdad, I find it interesting that throughout your post you dismiss historical acts of white racism as irrelevant but when it serves your purpose you aren't the least bit reluctant to dredge up the past.[/quote] If the distinction in relevance to the original question between "recent past" and "two centuries ago" escapes you, then there's no point in continuing a dialogue with you.
[quote]We will get back to my assumption. [/quote] ???
[quote]To the best of my knowledge Mayor Willie Brown has never been accused of assassinating a civil rights leader nor has he been accused of being a closeted homosexual who used the power of his office to gather personal information on thousands of American ciitizens, denied the existence of organized crime, or approved the notorious COINTELPRO program. [/quote] Okay, I'm accusing Mayor Willie Brown, the ORIGINAL "Slick Willie" of coddling racist murderers and thugs and of being a racist himself. Oh, and while I'm at it, he's also a closet S&M disciple who's into bestiality and likes long walks on the beach.
[quote]Robert Mugabe is a tinhorn tyrant with no standing or following of any measure in America. Trying to link him to Black Americans is like blaming White Americans for Ian Smith, Josef Stalin, Ted Bundy and Augusto Pinochet.[/quote] Gee, seems as though you don't like it when somebody else steps out beyond the context of the question, do you? Just like trying to link dead American, English, French, Spanish, Dutch and Portugese slavers from more than two centuries ago seems a bit out of context, eh?
[quote]Idi Amin was another monstrous and murderous despot. Oh, and he was deposed in 1979. That was 24 years ago. Gee, just made it under the wire of your cut-off of "25, 50, 75, 150 years ago" before passing into irrelevance.[/quote] oooohhhhhhh, but he's black.... isn't that enough to indict him, and by extension, every other black man who's ever lived or ever will live? Somebody get the waaaaaaambulance.
[quote]By the way, what riots in Cleveland are you talking about? When the Cavaliers drafted LeBron James in the NBA Draft last month?
[/quote] Cleveland, Cincinnatti, they're all "C" cities in Ohio. My bad, which is English for mea culpa
[quote]Reginald Denney was the victim of a violent street crime. [/quote] Because he was white. [quote]He was attacked by black people.[/quote]A MOB of black people, because he was white.
[quote]He was also rescued and protected by other black people.[/quote] Did they rescue him because he
was white, or simply because they
where decent people?
[quote]Unlike many black victims of lynching, Mr. Denney survived.[/quote]Like many black victims of lynching, Mr. Denney survived.
[quote]As to your, "hundreds, if not thousands" of whites lynched by blacks in Africa, that's an interesting assertion. Got any facts to back it up?[/quote]http://www.wnd.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=32758
[quote]Regarding how many blacks have been lynched by white mobs in the last two decades, I don't know why I should play by the arbitrary cut-off of 20 years,[/quote] Fine, pick an arbitrary cut-off point of your choice, and then we can argue about whether the attitudes and behavior of the folks THEN are representative of NOW. Somehow, I think picking 1910 Alabama isn't going to do much to answer the question of NOW.
[quote]but I can start with the chaining, dragging and decapitation of James Byrd in Jasper, Texas and go from there. [/quote]Where's the mob? Why doesn't this simply qualify as a "violent street crime"? Maybe you should start with the crime statistics instead, which show that black on white crime rates are far higher than white on black crime. (Black on black crime rates are even higher...)
[quote]I don't know enough about the Zimbabwe African Nation Union Patriotic Front (ZANU PF) to comment intelligently but you didn't help matters by not providing any examples of their black supremacist and racist attitudes against whites. [/quote] Then find out.
[quote]Will you please provide all of the gentle readers of this forum some examples of how The Black Panthers, [/quote]David Horowitz handles this quite nicely.
[quote]Nation of Islam[/quote]If you're going to claim that the Nation of Islam isn't a racist organization that's going strong today, then you're an ideologue who is immune to the truth.
[quote] and/or the NAACP [/quote] National Association for the Advancement of COLORED
People. The name itself is racist, and they haven't changed it.
[quote]have committed acts of murder, assault, arson, intimidation and harassment in a manner similar to that of the Ku Klux Klan? [/quote]As I've already stated, racism is an attitude.
[quote]Please provide me with examples of black hate groups that are dedicated to the eradication of the white race. [/quote]The white man is our mortal enemy, and we cannot accept him. I will fight to see that vicious beast go down into the late of fire prepared for him from the beginning, that he never rise again to give any innocent black man, woman or child the hell that he has delighted in pouring on us for 400 years
-- Louis Farrakhan, City College audience in New York The white man is not only practicing racism and Zionism and with the prostitution ring, the so-called Jew man with the Jew woman all over the world to make a few dollars. He is also practicing sexism. He's a racist, he's a Zionist, a sexist, and imperialist. He's a no good bastard. He's not a devil, the white man is the Devil
-- Khalid Abdul Muhammad, Nation Of Islam & New Black Panther PartyI mean, if black people kill black people every day, why not have a week and kill white people? You understand what I'm saying? In other words, white people, this government and that mayor were well aware of the fact that black people were dying every day in Los Angeles under gang violence. So if you're a gang member and you would normally be killing somebody, why not kill a white person? Do you think that somebody thinks that white people are better, or above dying, when they would kill their own kind?
-- Sister Souljah In A Washington Post Interview, 1992Civil rights laws were not passed to protect the rights of white men and do not apply to them
-- Mary Frances Berry, Chairman, US Commission on Civil Rights I want to go up to the closest white person and say: 'You can't understand this, it's a black thing' and then slap him, just for my mental health --
Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002 If they don't pay us reparations now, we're talking about scorched earth
-- Charles Barron, a New York city councilman at a reparations rally, 2002I say to Jewish America: Get ready...knuckle up, put your boots on, because we're ready and the war is going down... The real deal is this: Black youth do not want a relationship with the Jewish community or the mainstream white community or the foot shuffling, head-bowing, knee bobbing black community... All you Jews can go straight to hell.
-- Quannell X, National Youth minister for the Nation Of Islam, New York Daily News, October 17, 1995 I am going to be like a pit bull. That is the way I'm going to be against the Jews. I am going to bite the tail of the honkies.
-- Khalid Abdul Muhammad, Nation Of Islam & New Black Panther Party, at Howard University, 1994
Now, I ask you, which one has more members? The Nation of Islam, or the KKK?
[quote]THAT is the context and the relationship between methods and goals that I choose.[/quote]Well, why didn't you say that you were talking about something other than topic of the thread? Next time you want to do that, start your own thread. This one is about attitudes in the present and near past, as denoted by the tense of the verb in the question. Are
, not Were
[quote]One: There are no black governors nor any state legislative bodies in the U.S. that are predominantly black. [/quote]I didn't say that a black governor has raised my taxes, nor a black LEGISLATIVE BODY, because that wasn't your question. Black legislators
have voted to raise my taxes, and their working hard to raise them more. To my knowledge, none of the legislators working to keep the taxes down are black. Mind you, I don't think that the black legislators who are trying to raise my taxes are doing it because I'm white and they're black. No, they're doing it simply because at heart they're part and parcel of a pack of thieving Democrats in cahoots with a gaggle of thieving Republicans.
My prior post to you was all about context. I had hoped that my deliberate use of contextually innapropriate examples of black racism would make you sensitive to context, and that you would realize how far off you have gone. Apparently, I was too optimistic.
You may, if you want, continue looking into the past, rehearsing old wrongs. If you do, you'll only be left further and further behind. Or, you can confront what is REALLY happening NOW, and so help to craft a better future for everybody. I say "really happening now" because even many of your claims of present day discrimination don't hold up. A fine example is the bank loan accusation. IF the banks were discriminating against blacks in giving out loans, then those blacks who did get loans would be "higher quality" borrowers than the whites, a distinction that would show up in the default rates. Guess what? There's no difference in default rates between blacks and whites.
Your choice. When things are even worse for blacks in 30 years than they are now, when the average standard of living of the children of today's immigrants is higher than that of blacks who've been here for two centuries, don't expect much sympathy from those who you've been pilloring ceaselessly for events of which they weren't party.
I'll leave you with this, said at an NAACP function as a rebuke to the NAACP's position on Affirmative Action:
[quote]16-year-old high school senior Cherlina Forshee of Fort Lauderdale, said she wished race would stop being a consideration in jobs and in university admissions."African Americans always see everything that happens a certain way, they blame it on race,"
said Forshee, who is black. "I try to put myself out of race. If you do what you have to do and try your best, you could make it in life. You don't have to worry about being black."[/quote]