Darcaine.

In answer to your first question.....Yes I read it several times but it appears we must recieved different copies judging by your comments.

The piece you quoted about the King David Hotel came from an article on the site 'Jewish Virtual Library' run and maintained by AICE.
American-Israeli Cooperative Enterprise.
Is it possible they may be a little biased in their reporting?.

Loosely it was a military target but Britain was not at war with them.
However extreme jewish factions saw themselves at war with Britain and with the approval of Ben-Gurion set about their terrorism.

Here is another site maintained by ex British forces in Palastine at the time.
http://www.britains-smallwars.com/Palestine/index.htm
The King David Hotel bombing is described.

Again, possibly not altogether unbiased, but seen from another perspective and certainly not as warped as the Jewish Virtual Library piece.
Extreme fact warps often happen when reporting becomes propoganda.

To actually find anything TOTALLY unbiased is almost impossible.


Regards...Alan

Alan,

What in your post negates what I posted? I simply stated that it was a MILITARY target. Did you want to just get in the fact I pulled it off a Jewish support site to TRY and undermine the legitamacy of what I posted? Very weak my friend..since all you did was enhance my arguement.

Darcaine

Darcaine.

TO ACTUALLY FIND ANYTHING TOTALLY UNBIASED IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

Step by step.

The British were there as a peacekeeping force under the Balfour Declaration in order to allow the Jewish state to be formed under the originally agreed provisos of living in peace with its neigbours.
Extreme left wing groups, such as the Irgun, saw the British as oppressors who in fact were trying to keep to the letter of the agreement.
Off duty troops were forbidden to carry weapons because the high command considered it to be a possible inflammatary act.

Leading up to the bombing of the King David Hotel many terrorist attacks had already been made on off duty servicemen.

A decision was made to round up known suspects and bring them in for questioning in an attempt to stop them.
This operation began around 4am on June29th.
2,718 were peacefully detained with no recorded deaths or injuries sustained. Most were released within days.
Among them was David Ben-Gurion and other leading members of the Jewish Agency.

The above is generally agreed by all parties.
The following is ommitted on all Jewish sites but recorded on others.

Many incriminating documents were found at this Agency linking both Ben-Gurion, the Jewish Agency and other leading members to the terrorism.

These documents were held in the British HQ within the King David Hotel.

The Irgun, under the command of Menachen Begin, attempted to destroy these records by planting a massive bomb in the wing of the hotel occupied by the British.
The Jews claim to have made 3 telephone calls warning of the detonation in the Hotel. One site mentions 35mins warning, giving time for evacuation but not time for defusing.
There is no record to be found anywhere to verify this. Perhaps it was the intention but subsequent events may have caused it to not happen.

One site suggests a small diversionary bomb exploded close to the hotel prior to the following.

The terrorists were in fact caught, dressed as Arabs, carrying the milk churns into the hotel. They shot two unarmed soldiers and a firefight ensued during which time they detonated the bombs and made their escape.
28 British, 41 Arabs and 17 Jews were killed and many more injured.

Now, considering the terrorist attacks that had already taken place by the Irgun, and considering the previous British response to them, I find it MOST unlikely any telephone calls would have been ignored as claimed by the Jews.

Ergo.......they were never made.

Lying by ommission is still lying.

One more time...........
TO ACTUALLY FIND ANYTHING TOTALLY UNBIASED IS ALMOST IMPOSSIBLE.

The legitamacy of what you posted is not in doubt.
However the truth of it is.

Regards..Alan

Alan..you are still proving my point. Whether they made the phone calls or not it WAS a military target. You are trying to obscure that fact with the telephone call minutia. It's a smoke screen to cover the fact you are wrong about the "moral equivilancies".

Darcaine

Darcaine.

The above is in a previous post.
The British were there as a peacekeeping force until the state of Israel became established. They DID NOT initiate the situation between themselves and the Jews, they kept strictly to the letter of the agreement signed by both of them.
It was the Jews who broke the agreement by attempting to smuggle in boatloads of immigrants contrary to the quotas laid down in the agreement.
The British became enemy number one.

So under those cicumstances I suppose they were a military target to be attacked by terrorists.

There is NO justification for the way EITHER of them conduct themselves, moral or otherwise.
They are as bad as each other.

The Israeli excuse for attacking and killing innocent civilians is that of eliminating 'suspected' terrorists. In very few cases have they actually come up with solid proof.
The Palestinians make no such claim, they just bomb and occasionally get a few soldiers.
They are as bad as each other.

No body wanted to listen to their complaints while Israel expanded into their land from the very beginning.
No body listens now.
So what do they have they left?.
Stop suicide bombings, killings etc and just let Israel gradually take over their land with no one to stop them?.

There is only one country capable of stopping the carnage.
America.
But America is massively influenced by the Jews and is not seen by the international community as being neutral.

And so it goes on...........and on.

Regards...Alan

Alan,

You are STILL making my point. It was a MILITARY target. Hell, you got the INFO off a Brithish MILITARY website for crying out loud. It's aparent we will never agree. You have a closed mind about this. You "moral relativism" is clouding your judgement. Don't feel alone though Alan there are a TON of people out there just like you. You feel as though you cannot tell right from wrong or rather afraid to do so. Your argument is TOTALLY based on both sides being equally to blame. In SOME ways you are correct sir, however, that being said what is going on now is nothing more than organized murder by the Muslims in that area of the world. And you support it because in your eye's both sides are to blame OR it is the only way the Palestinians can fight.

Darcaine

Darcaine.

I have already said it twice, but will say it again.

Under the circumstances I suppose they were a military target.

You constantly attack arguments by others with no relevant details to back it up.
You are speaking emotionally rather than factually.
"Dont feel alone Darcaine, there are a TON of people out there just like you"

The organised murder that is going on over there is from BOTH SIDES using the tools at their disposal.
They are as bad as each other.

Regards....Alan

This is where we differ sir. They are NOT the same. The end may be but, the ends on which it is reached is NOT. Alan, you have provided the details to support my point whereas you have done NOTHING to support yours. There is a BIG difference in killing to save lives and killing to inflict as much damage on the other as inhumanly possible. If you cannot see this then there is NO possible way you could ever understand what I am trying to convey to you.

Darcaine

Darcaine.

Lets take this rather odd statement and disect it.

Alan, you have provided the detail to support my point whereas you have done NOTHING to support yours.

If you see it as supporting your statements then that is your perogative and as for doing NOTHING to support mine.........well!!!.

Next.
There is a BIG difference in killing to save lives....
Look up 'oxymoron'!!!!!.

.......and killing to inflict as much damage on the other as inhumanly possible.
This is where I agree entirely with you.

They are both doing it in an organised fashion.
One with organised military, the other with organised people.

NOW. When you talk about attacks on unarmed civillians try to justify this.
The massive American (and British) bombing raids on German cities during WW2 that killed tens of thousands of unarmed civillians.
Hiroshima....Nagisake.
To save lives.............who's lives. The winners of course because if the Allies had lost it would be known as an atrocity.

We were at war with them, they were the enemy.
But then again Israel and the Palestinians are at war and are enemies and are both inflicting casualties on the civillian populations with the tools at their disposal.
To the Palestinians its a fight to free their land from occupation and the western world sees it as terrorism....to an Arab its a fight for freedom.
To the Israelis its a fight to expand its territory....to an Arab its terrorism but the western world sees it as protecting their interests.

THEY ARE AS BAD AS EACH OTHER.........

Regards....Alan