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moif
So, of all the politicians and world leaders... including opposition leaders... are there any whom you consider attractive?

The reason I ask, is because I recently saw the philippine President, Gloria Arroyo and she is the most beautiful president I have ever seen! w00t.gif

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Cyan
Moif, I agree, she's quite beautiful, and politics aside, I think that Tony Blair is quite attractive, as well. wink2.gif
Platypus
I'd have to go with Blair too. I don't always agree with his policies, but he's obviously intelligent and articulate with a good sense of humor, and he's not exactly painful to look at.
GoAmerica
QUOTE(moif @ Jul 27 2003, 12:55 PM)
So, of all the politicians and world leaders... including opposition leaders... are there any whom you consider attractive?

The reason I ask, is because I recently saw the philippine President, Gloria Arroyo and she is the most beautiful president I have ever seen!  w00t.gif

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Moif, gotta agree with you there tongue.gif
Julian
Yes, the Phillipine lady is quite attractive.

I don't see how Blair is sexy. That's not me trying to be ultra-hetero; I can see how Sean Connery or any number of other male movie stars are sexy. I suppose Blair is relative to other politicians, but that's hardly a compliment, but a can't think of a single male politician anywhere in the last fifty years that would qualify as "sexy" in absolute terms.

I'd say that Blair certainly has charisma, and a modicum of charm.

I'd say Bush has charm, and a modicum of charisma (a subtle distinction). I can even see how some might find him sexy, in a rugged-outdoorsman kind of way (I know he isn't one, but just projects that image a little).

I'd say Reagan had both charm and charisma aplenty, but was not remotely sexy.

Other than this lady, I'd say that the only other world leader there's been in my lifetime that I've ever found sexy would be Benazir Bhutto of Pakistan, during her time as leader there in the 1980s

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Fabulous bone structure, smouldering eyes (and fantastically intelligent, which doesn't hurt). Besides which, she was the only female politician under 45 on the world stage at the time. That must have been some kind of advantage - she was competing with Thatcher, for heaven's sake.

Who had huge charisma, but no charm at all. And, apparently, was quite sexy in the flesh (as it were).

I guess here I'm making a distinction between charm and charisma that I should explain. As I've used it here, charm to me means a suggestion that you'd like the person if you met them, even in spite of yourself. Charisma means that you can't help but pay attention to what this person does or says - if there are two people on screen or in a room, you find yourself drawn to watch the one with the most charisma. (As exemplified by Hitler, who I'd say had charisma - you'd watch what he did - but no charm - you didn't find yourslef imagining that he'd be a good person to spend time with.) And sexy is just an indefinable pwhooar factor.
Billy Jean
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I don't see how Blair is sexy.


It's all about the SEXY english accent baby! For some reason it just makes american women melt... *sigh* blush.gif I'm a big ole' lesbian and even my eyes get glazed over when I hear an articulate English Gentleman speak. And Blair, I would hope, embodies the image of a proper English Gentleman, but with PERSONALITY. biggrin.gif
Julian
QUOTE(Billy Jean @ Jul 28 2003, 12:47 PM)
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I don't see how Blair is sexy.


It's all about the SEXY english accent baby! For some reason it just makes american women melt... *sigh* blush.gif I'm a big ole' lesbian and even my eyes get glazed over when I hear an articulate English Gentleman speak. And Blair, I would hope, embodies the image of a proper English Gentleman, but with PERSONALITY. biggrin.gif

Really? It's a good job that this isn't a telephone forum! None of you would pay any attention to what I say.

Blair is a gentleman and he is English, but I wouldn't say he embodied the idea, or even that the idea of an "English gentleman" is genuinely something that people here aspire to any more, right or wrong. It's seen as rather old-fashioned. David Beckham (the footballer. Sorry, soccer player.) is just as English and arguably more of a gentleman, but is seen as much more modern and is therefore far more of a role model to English youth than Blair ever could be.

Hugh Grant, whose English Gentleman schtick goes down very well over there, constantly gets criticised here for the same thing. But that's a whole other argument, wrapped up in the British theatrical idea the acting is less about finding the truth of a character inside yourself than about impressing everyone by convincingly pretending to be someone else, and the less like you they are, the better. (Witness Laurence Olivier's injunction to method man Dustin Hoffman that he should "try acting, dear boy".)
Billy Jean
I think Blair embodies the typical English Gentleman because he's the representative of your nation. Just as Bush embodies the typical dumb machismo white guy of America! whistling.gif (I'm kidding!!! biggrin.gif )

We're giving our opinion. I think Blair is sexy for an English chap. I like the throwback to a more elegant time.
moif
I remember when Blair first came to power, he was often refered to in England as charming and attractive, but I've never liked him. He struts and preens himself way to much.

...still, he's a big improvement over Neil Kinnock!

Amongst the male politicians, I'd be hard pressed to pick one who fit the description of sexy...

I remember, way back, when women would refer to Bill Clinton as attractive, but I haven't heard any one say that recently. whistling.gif
erratic_energy
QUOTE(moif @ Jul 29 2003, 04:56 PM)
I remember, way back, when women would refer to Bill Clinton as attractive, but I haven't heard any one say that recently. whistling.gif

I never thought Clinton was in the least bit attractive...I never understood the women who did. blink.gif ermm.gif
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Billy Jean
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unabomber
I have to agree with billy jean on kuwait's queen Rania Al-Abdullah, and jordan's queen noor(I was going to mention her, but couldn't remember her name) Isn't noor from america originally?
Victoria Silverwolf
One should not forget Ilona Staller (AKA Cicciolina) -- image about halfway down on this page.

"Poltical Queen"
Julian
Fair enough on the Middle-Eastern queens - they're certainly gorgeous - although perhaps it'd be just another Arab in a suit if the people of Jordan actually had any say in who led them. sad.gif

Is it just me that carries a torch for Ms Bhutto, then? blush.gif
Wertz
I would agree whole-heartedly with you, Julian. The beautiful Benazir also has an extremely attractive personality, great wit, and pretty decent politics. I have no clue what anyone sees in Tony Blair, though. To me, he is the equivalent of a cold shower - an icy cold shower. Frigid. Freezing. Sub-zero. He is totally anti-sexy.

Frankly, there aren't man male politicans who do much for me - who have ever done much for me. Robert Kennedy would probably have come the closest...
quietly making noise
I happen to think Bill Clinton is extremely attractive. Funny thing is, I didn't a few years ago. There's that age thing again! blush.gif

I don't get the Tony Blair thing either. In my opinion, Vicente Fox is extremely sexy.
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