Full Version: Was invading IRAQ the right decision?
QUOTE(Abs like Jesus @ Aug 11 2003, 08:15 AM)
We still support other murderous regimes that terrorize their own people, but the Iraqis are better off
Oh really? Name one
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in spite of the many thousands killed and hundreds raped during and after our campaign.
Raped? PROOF PLEASE!
Amlord:
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The UN clearly thought that Saddam had WMDs and WMD programs.
Don't forget Scott Ritter's claim after the inspectors left in 1998:
RITTER TESTIMONY
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Former UN Inspector Scott Ritter today testified in the U.S. Senate that the UN Special Commission on Iraq has intelligence indicating Iraq has assembled the components for three nuclear weapons and lacks only the fissile material needed to set them off.
Also, what about the fact that he failed to cooperate with the inspectors the first time in October 31, 1998: The Iraqi leadership says it has ceased all co-operation with investigations and monitoring by the UN Special Commission?
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but the Iraqis are better off -- in spite of the many thousands killed and hundreds raped during and after our campaign.
Abs, if you're implying that our forces raped anyone...please do provide a link.
A lot of people seem to forget that the UN did think that Iraq still had WMD's or the programs in place to justify UN Resolution 1441. Oh wait, was that based on faulty intelligence too?
I'm not suggesting our soldiers are raping or necessarily allowing people to be raped in Iraq. Higher rates of rape, however, have been a result of the war and lawlessness in Iraq.
Houston Chronicle
Human Rights Watch report
As to those regimes I mentioned, goamerica:
U.S. State Dept. Criticism*
*It's interesting to note that the criticism is of "stress and duress" interrogation, which is admittedly being practiced by our own military since the publication of this report.
There's information outside that report relating to Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel too, goamerica. That link names a couple for you, though.
Houston Chronicle
Human Rights Watch report
As to those regimes I mentioned, goamerica:
U.S. State Dept. Criticism*
*It's interesting to note that the criticism is of "stress and duress" interrogation, which is admittedly being practiced by our own military since the publication of this report.
There's information outside that report relating to Turkey, Egypt, Saudi Arabia and Israel too, goamerica. That link names a couple for you, though.
for the UNSC to agree to 1441 they had to think iraq still had WMD, as for the UN in inspecters in iraq, the iraqi goverment had to "think" about our U2 fly overs, they wouldnt let people be interviewed without a tape recorder or witness. they held us up once or twice.
1441 said 100% access no running around not thinking about anything we want access to everything people, sites, palaces, everything and iraq agreed to that, they failed there first test with the weapons dosser.
and if im not mistaken it was up to iraq to prove they didnt have them, not for the UN to find them like a cop, they had to prove they distroyed everything, and they didnt do that.
why another chance? what did saddam give us in 4months that made him creditble for another chance, 12yrs isnt enough to come clean, or stop messing about?
also we had more nations backing us in iraq than we did in the first gulf war.
1441 said 100% access no running around not thinking about anything we want access to everything people, sites, palaces, everything and iraq agreed to that, they failed there first test with the weapons dosser.
and if im not mistaken it was up to iraq to prove they didnt have them, not for the UN to find them like a cop, they had to prove they distroyed everything, and they didnt do that.
why another chance? what did saddam give us in 4months that made him creditble for another chance, 12yrs isnt enough to come clean, or stop messing about?
also we had more nations backing us in iraq than we did in the first gulf war.
QUOTE(notarealme @ Aug 23 2003, 12:22 PM)
for the UNSC to agree to 1441 they had to think iraq still had WMD, as for the UN in inspecters in iraq.
No, the coalition did not have to believe there were weapons...they just had to pacify a rabid US group of hawks that wanted a resolution worded as strongly as possible so they could use it as a springboard for war. What the UN conceded was only the reports they had from four years before that left a possibility that they could still be laying around. That's what they were trying to determine when we chased them out of there after El Baradai had already proven the nuclear claims were false (and some of it was even fake).
They couldn't let Blix finish the job because if he proved the bio and chem weapons no longer existed there would be no excuse to go to war. And since it wasn't about weapons (that was just a cover because the UN charters wouldn't allow us to go in just to change the regime) we had to get the inspectors out before the weapons excuse was completely ruined.
So many diabolical plans that the administration assured us they knew existed...they don't say much about nukes and drones any more do they? They still think they will find chem/bio weapons but those are all that's left of their original claims. Everything else has already been debunked. What do you think would happen if the UN came in now and were somehow able to prove Iraq HAD destroyed those weapons before we invaded?
Maybe that's what Bush is afraid will happen and why he refuses to let them finish their job. Or maybe he just doesn't want them around when his own guys 'find' weapons later. That way he wouldn't have anyone questioning the age, location, or origin of what is found.
If that's not the case he is refusing a win win situation and taking the chance our enemies will get their hands on those weapons before we can find them. There is no possible excuse for taking such a risk since that's why our troops were sent to die in Iraq in the first place...the official excuse anyway. So, how about some official answers to why he's standing in the way of progress in that area? Is that too much to ask from our supreme leader?
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